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Arrow Round Table: Is There Faith in the Audience?

I agree that it would have been more powerful for the audience not to have seen Oliver at the end, but I disagree with your comments about Laurel and Felicity. Laurel was reacting to Merlyn's SAYING that Oliver was dead - Felicity didn't believe Merlyn either. At the time Laurel said he would be back, she hadn't seen the sword with his blood all over it. Felicity believed in Oliver's return until she received scientific evidence that Oliver was dead. It's hard to argue with a sword containing that much blood that you know is Oliver's when you also know that Oliver just went off to fight one of the most dangerous men the world has ever seen. I think Laurel was far more out of character because she never asked WHY Oliver was off fighting Ra's. I thought it was far weirder that Laurel didn't question that. I agree that Laurel was more tolerable in this episode, but she also wasn't in it very much. I think the real test will be this week.

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I love seeing a rattled Captain Holt with his insane revenge plans that he thinks are so great! The ending seen of trying to convince Jake to change the autocorrect to "butt" in place of Perez, like he did with Wuntch, was hilarious! It's fun to see that side of Holt, including the scene you listed with the Wicked tickets. Only he would think of that! I also really enjoyed the scenes between Jake and Hoytsman. Chris Parnell is always funny in any role though, it seems! So hopefully he will pop back up someway in the future! I wasn't really that much of a fan of his relationship with Sophia, so I'm okay watching it finally fizzle out. I, too, ship Jake and Amy! I know it won't happen necessarily anytime soon, but I'm fine with that. Their friendship is also really fun to watch. Hopefully they don't drag us through too much to get them together though!

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Arrow Round Table: Is There Faith in the Audience?

1. I would not have watched this episode at all if it had been completely Oliver-less. The show is called 'Arrow' and is about Oliver, while I enjoy OG Team Arrow it wouldn't feel right to be without the main character for an episode. Also, I cheered out loud when it was revealed Oliver was alive. He can't get back to Starling City soon enough for me. 2. I really wished they had stretched out the time frame a bit for Oliver's disappearance, maybe at least have him missing for a week. It would made D, R and F believing Malcolm more acceptable. But this is one of the biggest issues with Arrow this season, the writing keeps sacrificing character for plot so instead of setting things up in a way for TA to reasonably believe Oliver is dead they are required to behave in a OOC way to facilitate the storyline. WHY on Earth they would give Malcolm the time of day is beyond me, and why no one has warned Thea about Malcolm is also ridiculous. But the story demands she be kept in the dark, so here we are. 3. Also don't see how Malcolm could have thought Oliver might beat R'as, maybe there is more to what he is up to. 4. So Felicity gets taken to task for believing Oliver is dead even though Digg and Roy also believe that. And Felicity is whiny and 'gave up', but Digg (who also expresses doubt in carrying on at the end of the episode) has one of the most authentic reactions?! Felicity reacted to Oliver's death in a completely in-character way. Is she not allowed to react emotionally just after finding out the guy she is in love with is dead? People mourn in all kinds of ways and I don't blame her one bit reacting as she did. She pretty much spells out why she is upset when she warns Ray off becoming a vigilante himself. Emily Bett Rickards was amazing in this episode, full stop. 5. Laurel was barely in this episode and was certainly more tolerable than she usually is, but this transition to BC is happening way too fast. It diminishes the years of sacrifice Oliver and Sara both went through. It also drives me up the wall to see people already referring to her as a hero went it took Oliver two full seasons to reach that point. Also, she was in her buckles for, what? 30 seconds? I'll reserve judgement on her level of badass-ness when we've seen a bit more of her fighting.

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One of the best ive seen in the while, I actually cringed at certain details while watching it, like charlies bow for instance

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I alos believe like you all here. THe writers do noy have faith and trust in the other characters or in their audience so they can grow and develop their characters. Im starting to believe that for the writers only Stephen Amell is important as the actor of the show and the character he is portraying, which is not correct. God Forbid if other supporting actors wont like this and could resigned later in the season cause not the EP or the writers have faith in them.
This was a big mistake and for the future maybe viewers wont have faith in what the writers will tell us anymore, we wont buy the same c*R*A P anymore

Loretta gray

Great episode. So glad they got Monroe. Now, Nick's girlfriend is a hexenbiest. Will it just come out like it did Friday? The look on Renard's face was priceless.

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I agree, I sort of wish they could have left out the flashbacks and maybe only had the Maseo walking up to Oliver (where we only all had reasonably guessed) and then the very last scene to just play it up, but I think it was sort of a two fold thing. One, I don't know that there is a lot of the Hong Kong story to tell, I almost feel like Maseo and Tatsu were always meant to be more important currently, but they needed a little history there for the audience so have been weirdly sparse or too much with it. Second, I think they really liked the device they used in the Climb of just those random shots of Oliver climbing. They may have been too much here. I disagree with your take on Felicity's reaction, she was, and to a certain extent still is, in denial. She is lashing out at the wrong people and projecting. Its totally a normal reaction.

Loretta gray

I think Margaux should know what Victoria did to Emily/Amanda when she was a little girl. She should also know she sent Emily up to be killed, but her son got killed instead.

Loretta gray

I do not particularly like Miss Bunting. She seems bent on throwing mud in the family's face. Whatever is said, she manages to stick a pin in it. Just like Lord Grantham is an aristocrat and has aristocratic ways, she has them also and she is not an aristocrat. She seems to try to make Tom feel less than in the family. She needs not to come for dinner again.

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@ Loretta Gray

Considering that Robert asked her not to return, that won't be a problem. Question is, we saw her tutoring Daisy once so will she keep doing that, or will Daisy have to go to her?

Loretta gray

I like the show but I keep waiting for some kind of answer as to why these people came back. To me,Preacher James is a phony, holier Than though type. Why is that branch on his back. Also, why is that little boy so hard headed, they told him to stay in the house. No he runs outside and tells his grandmother everything.

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@ Loretta Gray

I actually think Preacher James was right about Rachel's baby - the dead started to come back all over the world just after Rachel had the baby (just as Preacher James prophesized), and just imagine the chaos in the world (again as Preacher James prophesized) if everyone dating back to the origin of the human species were to come back ...as indeed appears to be the way things are headed? Yikes!