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Also, Ellis, in one of her rants, said that Webber never wanted children, so having a child certainly wasn't in the plans for either one of them.
Additionaly, this is Ellis Grey we're talking about. If she had a love-child, would the woman actually bring the baby to term? I don't believe Ellis would hesitate for a second to terminate the pregnancy.
No, having a child will break contiunity of the show, because let's face it, it would have come up when Ellis became lucid.
Grey's Anatomy Spoilers: Who's Not Alex's Hookup?
Grey's Anatomy Spoilers: A One-Night Stand For Alex
And no, I'm not bagging on just George. Derek was guilty of it. Addie. The Chief. Ellis. Call me old-fashioned, but cheating is just wrong.
George's "one" mistake doesn't make him better than Alex, it makes him just as flawed as Alex. And you can't compare Alex to George in that situation because Alex wasn't accountable to anyone. Alex wasn't with anyone. Alex wasn't the one married. Ava was. George slipped that finger on Callie's finger and vowed fidelity: Alex didn't.
I have to laugh at the absurdity that Gizzie had a saner love compared to Lexzie. Gizze's "love" cost the heartbreak of another. Gizzie made one an adulterer and another a homewrecker. Gizze, as pure as the preconceived notions may be, as idealist would love to point out how awesome those two were, at the root of it all, romanticized infidelity, and I'm sorry, but that, to me, does not qualify as a better or saner love.
Yes, Alex "cheated" on Izzie that one time, but as George, Cristina, and Merdith pointed out that Alex was a non-boyfriend who made no promises, no commitment, no official-steadiness with Izzie. That was something that was so unforgivable, and yet with George, who DID make promises, who DID pledge love and fidelity to Callie, violated and broke those promises, broke those vows, we can just smile and say 'hmm, I can relate to him more and that makes him a better suitor for Izzie'.
Seriously?
Honestly, I'm tired of people bagging on Alex on the basis of oversimplification. I rather enjoy Alex's character because despite being an asshole, despite being a douche, the man totally owns up to it and makes no illusions otherwise. He's an ass, but a la Burke, he tells the truth and calls bullshit as it is.
Alex may do alot that's crappy, but like all the characters at GA, he's complex and layered. Just because he doesn't show remorse or whine about it passive-aggressively (i.e. George a la season 2 post-Mer) doesn't mean he doesn't feel guilt. The man is a hardended wall and he isn't going to openly bleed like some othere characters. He killed 'too-much-water-guy' and yet he stayed by his bed until the guy died; he researched other treatments to try to help or undo his mistake. That's guilt. Sure he wasn't all kumbaya with George, but that's Alex. He's an ASS to everyone, it's a part of his character and a part of his charm. But push comes to shove, and he's there. He even gave credit where credit was due to George.
I think Izzie was wrong to walk out on Alex and believe that he was the cause of her being fired. I saw how Alex approached the Chief and even Alex stated that being a doctor was all she had. He was doing his best to sway the Chief to not cut her, but I believe, had Izzie NOT messed up with that patient, she would not have been fired. I believe Izzie was wrong to run out on the marriage, run out on Alex, and avoid his calls the subsequent weeks later.
However, I don't condone Alex's cheating. Despite the fact that in his mind the marriage is over and Izzie left him, it's still cheating. If I had to choose an analogy, I believe Alex's one night stand is to Derek's one night stand with Mer post-Addison. At that point, both Derek and Addison somewhat acknowledged that the marriage was over, even if the divorce wasn't finalized. Both Izzie and Alex had acknowledgement that the marriage, at least in their heads, over (i.e. "I can't forgive you").
Unlike George's situation, Callie was in the dark the whole time. Even with her suspicions and George saying those were unfounded, only George knew that his marriage was over. Only when George said what had happened and Callie said "I forgive you" both knew that it was done.
As to whom the woman could be: I believe it's Addie. Reed seems too obvious. It can't be Cristina and he and Mer are like brother and sister (which btw, I love their relationship: Mer's like big-sister to Alex). It could be just a random. Honestly, I think JC's shock stems from the fact that Alex would do a one-night stand, no matter who it is, given how Alex was so commmited to Izzie at their wedding.
Alex grew up in a lot ways when he said what he said to Izzie. Getting his perfect moment with the woman he loves despite the baggage and crap and non-family resemblence he grew with. I wonder if Alex, equating Izzie leaving to how his father left his family, is going to retrogress a bit.
What Did You Think of "Holidaze"?
Even in "Good Mourning" and "Goodbye", it took two episodes to reflect 30 days, which I could buy, which I did buy, however, one episode to span 36 days? I feel it was condensed and some of the progress of the episodes were abridged to fit in the time. Despite being a good episode, it was a little too much for me in the alotted period.
anuflas,
I could not agree with you more. I mentioned it on the ABC.com boards that I hoped Teddy would be more like a la Addison season 2 when compared to her other cardio-mentors post-Burke: Marlowe was interested more in just teaching her, Hahn didn't want to teach her, and Dixon seemed like she couldn't teach her. When Addison came on board, despite being hated by both characters and audience members a-like, she still taught, and taught well, and made people not hate her. Remember what Meredith said to Derek in "Make Me Lose Control" about Addison...
"You have a wife, who's not easy to hate, whose annoyingly kind, and painfully smart, and currently saving my friend's life."
I feel the same about Teddy; she isn't easy to hate. She's smart, kind, compotent, and has her GA-quirks about her. She's not actively trying to get inbetween Owen and Cristina, she's mentoring Cristina in cardio, and I think she's a good fit within the attending staff. I honestly feel like the Chief Attending of Cardiothoracics is like the post of Defense Against the Dark Artsn (yes, I'm a HP geek as well). Hopefully it stops soon, and I honestly wouldn't mind if it was Teddy.
Grey's Anatomy Promo: "Invest in Love"
Bought time that girl got in some heart-time!
Grey's Anatomy Episode Guide: "Give Peace a Chance"
She was all, "shut it down". It was great.
Props to Derek: Chief of Surgery fits him really well. I hope Webber comes out of this phase cause I miss who he was in the prior seasons. In intimte moments, there are still glimmers of Webber, but he's just so angry these days.
Grey's Anatomy Episode Guide: "Give Peace a Chance"
I find it a little hypocritical that you're bashing at Alex for being a "whiny little bitch" when George was the same way for the latter portion of season 2 when he couldn't have Meredith and then for all of season 3 when he was going back and forth with his affair with Izzie. And Izzie has been whiny for all of season 3 because she couldn't have George and then all of season 4 during the fallout.
See what happens when you paint a rather broad and vague brush over characters without considering the all the details? You can paint the characters to look how you want them, that doesn't make it so.
Alex has been this douche since season 1, but that's just an oversimplification of his character; like the rest of the GA characters, there are multiple layers and Alex is just getting his peeled off with a wife who has cancer and who gave him a Dear John letter. "Whiny little bitch" it may be, but the situation calls for it. In that situation, it's only human to have a similiar reaction.
Empathy much?
Grey's Anatomy Promo: "Tainted Obligation"
There are very strict rules when it comes to organ donation. The agrument that Meredith is a doctor and that obligates her to donate is faulty. A doctor who has the same blood type and is compatible to a recipient that is their patient is NOT allowed to donate: UNOS would not allow this. UNOS also governs that the person donating must give of their own accord and of their own will, without manipulation, blackmail, monetary compensation, or guilt.
Take away the crappy past Meredith had with Thatcher, she is still NOT obligated to donate.
Remember S5, "There is No I in Team", and the domino surgery?
If Meredith doesn't donate, I can't fault her. It's not like she's the only one with Thatcher's blood type and compatibility. If it's emergent, then UNOS will bump Thatcher up the list and the next available organ he'll get. Otherwise, if it's not emergent, he'll just have to wait LIKE EVERYONE ELSE on the transplant list.
IMO, no, I don't believe Meredith should do it. It's not about vengenace, it's not about being vindictive, I think at the end of the day, Meredith shoudln't do it because enough is enough. You can only give so much of yourself: physically, emotionally, mentally when it's been nothing but taken. There's a limit. Meredith has reached hers. It's not about getting back at Thatcher: it's about Meredith no longer giving. Thatcher left her, didn't fight for her, and despite the feigned-rebuilding by Thatcher, he destroyed that bridge when he blamed Meredith for Susan's death. She gave all she had to be whole and healed, and Thatcher rejected her once more. She didn't want to rebuild that, but no, she gave of herself to rebuild it, and Thatcher destroys it.
No, Meredith shouldn't do it.
Her story can't be that her dad left her and abandoned her for a better family, blamed her for the death of his wife, and then to need her only when his life is in trouble?
No. That can't be her story. Her story needs to change.
My vote: Meredith shouldn't do it.
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Ooooo... an ortho-surgeon scorned. Wow, Webber denies Torres' app for attending-status! CRAZY!
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Premiere: The First Five Minutes!
Shonda hasn't dissapoint me, and I doubt GA will disappoint me on a go-forward either.
I've loved every second GA has to offer. And I'm grateful for Shonda for creating a series cause if it wasn't for her, there would be no GA.
To say that I'm her brigade of bodyguards? HA! Now that's laughable; it's just an opinion: you have yours and I have mine.
Fact is, George is dead and gone. Change has happened, either you adapt to it or you don't. Either way, GA is still happening.
And I haven't drunk any koolaid. Shonda isn't perfect, she makes mistakes. However, I'm not the one crucifying her; the boards are littered with overzealous comments on Shonda. I'm also certainly not crucifying TR for not coming back.
It is what it is. Either accept it and move on, or be stuck in the memory of yester-year and find a new show.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Premiere: The First Five Minutes!
You are allowed to express your opinion, and upon many other boards, George fans have made their opinions expressed rather vehemently. But it cries out hypocrisy when George fans can comment, critique and belittle Shonda and how "she presented George" in season 5, and yet, when they're is a rebuttal, an view that is quite the contrary, George fans are so angered that those "dissenting" views dare oppose theirs?
Seriously?
It IS a free board, and George fans can comment all they want on how crappy the show has got, and how they hate Shonda, and all that rhetoric, but then, don't be surprised when comments are posted that don't agree and are quite the contrary.
It IS a free board: when a comment is posted, it's fair game to comment. Commenting on the board opens yourself up to that.
Not everyone is drinking the George-koolaid.
So in response to your question, and every other George-fan who uses this question as a response...
"Who do we think we are to dictate to other fans?"
Who do you think you are to think we can't?
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Premiere: The First Five Minutes!
Despite being on-air for five years, it's only been a year and half, maybe two years within the GA-universe. Not five. So to say that Derek has known George for five years is a complete fallacy.
Owen wasn't "closer" to George; professionally, maybe, but not personally. It wasn't as if the two were slugging beers at Joe's after work. Owen had his entire squad killed in Iraq and he was the only survivor; having George die on the table really isn't as comparable as that, and since Owen is still dealing wiht that, it's appropriate for him to be reserved in a situation such as this.
Everyone deals with death differently, especially a death that came out of the blue for everyone, so yea, shock is quite an appropriate response. Everyone all thought George already left for the army; to find out that John Doe is George moments after he was declared brain dead, shock is more than reasonable. Not everyone breaks out into tears, not everyone is so emotionally-expressive, and not everyone deals and copes with the news of a sudden death the same way.
Don't place your expectations how you would react in that situation onto how other people would react and then cry out blasphemy by Shonda when they don't. Seriously?
And before you talk about this ONE episdoe, not that you've seen about 6 minutes of total previews. There's another 80 minutes of season premiere for you to render your judgment. 80! Alot can happen in 80-minutes.
Oh and uh, btw, Shonda didn't write the first two episodes of Season 6, Krista Vernoff did.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Premiere: The First Five Minutes!
Let's not forget Christina and how excited she was about Gorked Guy in the Dead Baby Race episode in Season 1.
Owen wasn't be insensitive, he was being doctorly. He was being a surgeon. George's life is gone, but those organs can save others, and time is of the essence.
It's all shock, and trying to deal with the death of a loved one. It's one thing about a patient, because there is a possibility of death. Every surgeon knows their patient will go under the knife and will have a risk. Whether it's Bonnie, Denny, Pregnant Lday, they know their patient is going on that table to be opened. There is that room of expectation that the patient might not live. The fact that it's George, the fact that it's someone they've known for a year to two years, someone they're close with or worked with, that death, is unimaginable, unexpected; I think everyone acted appropriately as they did in those first five minutes.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Premiere: Second Promo
What made me say that Webber didn't seem supportive of it is Webber's face. Look at the man's facial reaction, it wasn't moreso that Webber is blindsided, but it seemed like it was an expression mixed with anger, surprise, and betrayal. I keep looking at Webber's face and him saying, "take my job?" and it's not a definitive statement but rather has an inflection on the end as if he were asking a question.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Premiere: Second Promo
I think he does say "They" I heard that more than I hear "Meredith". The Chief's response is more, "WTF YOU'RE TAKING MY JOB?!" rather than "Yes, you are taking my job." I didn't note the voice inflection until now when I was trying to focus in on what Derek says. Damn song, which is awesome by the way (GO TYRONE WELLS!) was distracting.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Premiere: Second Promo
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Grey's Anatomy Season Six Overview
Ah, okay. Of course I'd love to see Bailey as Chief of Surgery; Webber said it best, "it's you in the chair eventually."
Bailey has proven herself as a capable surgeon and a capable administrator.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Overview
I don't see Mark and Callie together. I think what makes their relationship great is the fact that they're friends. I think Mark and Callie are the older more sexualized version of George and Izzie, and we all saw how that went. Sometimes a great friendship doesn't always translate to a great romantic relationship.
I think it's great that Mark and Callie truly understand each other where they don't have to fall under the idea of being in love with one another in a romantic sense. I think that's what ultimately killed Gizzie because having a straight man and a straight(ish) woman being just friends is unconventional, and if a friendship and a foundation is built on that unconventional ground, it evolves the characters' dynamics to a noble love rather than a romantic love. Adjusting that dynamic back to convention because a man and a woman who are great friends, and convention deems it to be a couple, the very basis of that friendship is violated by trying to conform it into something it's not, i.e. romantic love. IMO, Gizzie was never meant to be because two people who are soulmates are soulmates through friendship and not romantic love. I think that's how Mark and Callie are; I think they are soulmates because they understand one another, in and out, and they truly know each other. Just like Mer and Cristina are soulmates: they understand each other in a way that nobody else does, not even Derek, and they're not romantically involved. George and Izzie are each other's person. Mark and Callie are each other's person. Mer and Cristina are each other's person.
Trying to muddle a "person" into the "one" doesn't always work, and I think George and Izzie were a prime example of that.
Mark and Callie shouldn't be a Mallie or a Cark or a Calark; they should remain as is: each other's person.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Overview
- In terms of the DNR, the only time it would be brought up is if the patient's family brought up a malpractice suit against the Chief for disobeying the document. In this case, it's next of kin, which is Alex, who wanted the DNR violated to begin with. If Izzie took issue with it, she would then bring up charges against the Chief to an ethics review board who would then question the Chief's actions. Since none of that is plausible by either Alex or Izzie, Webber isn't going to get in trouble for the DNR-violation unless someone reports him. And with the LVAD, which was a far more serious infraction considering it resulted not only in the patient's death but the manipulation of organ-recipient rankings with UNOS, Callie made the case against Hahn reporting the Chief because it was handled internally and her seeking retribution would punish ALL of the SGH's patients, since such actions would result in removing SGH's accreditation as a transplant site.
- With Torres and the Chief Resident position; I think you're being too hard on the Chief considering we never saw the talk Torres had with Webber on-camera. That talk was taken place off-camera. As for her surgical ability, Webber never questioned it at all. He gave Torres the position because she was a capable ortho-surgeon, she was eligble, and because he assumed that she could handle the administrative tasks that went along with it. He did not give Bailey the position initially because he didn't want Bailey bogged down with administrative work. He wanted her to focus on general surgery because his plan for her was to be the next best general surgeon. Granted, favoritism, ideally, shouldn't be shown, but it's a part of life and it does happen. Attendings will groom all their residents, but will find that in each resident-class, there is a super star that has to be groomed more than the others because of their potential. Granted it's not fair, but it's also not fair to hold back an individual who shows such great promise. (Bailey in GS, Christina in CT); also, as Chief of Surgery, Webber isn't soley charged with grooming residents, that's what he has attendings for. Now, there hasn't been an on-camera general surgery attending that Bailey reported to, nor was their an on-camera orthopedic surgery attending for Torres to directly report to. Just because the on-camera focus is on Bailey and Webber doesn't necessarily translate that Webber failed to do right by Torres. Let's not forget, Torres had the CR job and failed miserably in the administrative-portion of it. She enjoys surgery, she enjoyed being in the OR rather than assigning schedules. She had the job, and she was more than willing to let Bailey cover for her. Favoritism or not, that action allowed told Webber that Torres wasn't a fit for CR.
-The board is about the bottom line, and the robot wasn't soley purchased to impress Bailey, granted that was a perk. Robotic surgery has been the forefront of surgical intervention techniques. It's been favored, when a hospital can afford it, by administrators and bureaucrats because of the revenue surgical robots can incur. By numbers alone, major open surgery can take between 4 to 8 hours by 1 surgeon on 1 patient. A surgical robot can do perform the surgery in less than that time, use minimally-invasive techniques to assess a better patient-outcome, and allow surgeries with more accuracy and more volume. Technology like that wouldn't be of "minimal use to the hopsital", it would be of great use because of more volume and better accuracy it could perform. And of course it wouldn't be used in other specialities because that robot was specifically for the general surgery department, because most surgical interventions occur under the auspicies of general surgery. And about the donation, it wasn't a donation, it was a bribe. If that ever came into question, uh hello, ethics committee? It was a donation with strings: here's money in exchange for one of SGH's best orhto-surgeons. Ortho is one of the most competitive surgical specialities out there: having one as capable and as gifted as Torres benefits the hopsital. Losing her would be a great loss in the long-term as oppossed to having a donation in the short-term.
-Granted, Webber punishing Yang was unfair, but at the end of the day, it was the only tangible evidence he had. Remember when Izzie cut the LVAD? Of course Webber knew it was Izzie or suspected her highly, but he couldn't punish all the then-interns based on speculation. He had no conclusive proof. With Yang, he did, and since Grey, Stevens, and the other residents didn't volunteer to share the blame to make it more equitable, he punished the only person he knew had a hand in it, which was Yang. He couldn't punish everyone not when he had was Yang; I took more issue with Alex and Mer for not stepping up and sharing the blame with Yang than with blaming the Chief for doing his job.
-I don't remember specifically the instance with Dixon and the Autism comment so I don't have anything to say about that.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Overview
Ah, okay. Of course I'd love to see Bailey as Chief of Surgery; Webber said it best, "it's you in the chair eventually."
Bailey has proven herself as a capable surgeon and a capable administrator.
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Overview
I don't think the DNR would get Webber in trouble with Jennings; Jennings is more of a bureaucrat for hospital-politics. Granted, Webber couldn't keep his two chief cardio surgeons on staff (Burke and Hahn); going under the assumption that the Board didn't make a better offer to retain Dixon full time, losing her wasn't necessarily Webber's fault. And despite other negatives (i.e. the flood, the drop in hospital ranking, the lawsuit against Shepherd, etc.), Webber has produced much more favorable press for SGH:
- Burke winning the Harper Avery
- Surgical intervention by Torres using freezing to make a patient walk that wasn't an ideal candidate
- Shepherd being published for the Shepherd(-Grey) Method
- Successful Domino-surgery
- Successful surgery of a non-operable tumor (the Anatomy-Jane episode)
- World-class neurologist saved by world-class neurosurgeon
- Recruitment of Hunt and thereby reclassing SGH back to a Level I Trauma Center
And I don't believe Jennings is privvy to the inner workings of SGH other than what is reported to him. Jennings will be in an episode, whether that be ratifying Webber's approval to make Bailey an attending for general surgery, or some other bureuacratic visit remains to be seen...
Grey's Anatomy Season Six Overview
Webber can't "hand" Chief of Surgery to Bailey primarily because she isn't through with her residency yet. According to various sites, season 6 (at least the beginning) will pick up where season 5 ended, which means Bailey is still a resident. During season 3 when Bailey was trying to get the clinic up and running, Webber said that it was Bailey in the chief's chair eventually, meaning when she's through residency, when she's had enough experience as an attending, she would be a perfect fit for Chief of Surgery for SGH; keep in mind though when he hold her this, Bailey was still a 4th year general surgery resident. When she became a 5th year general surgery resident in season 4 and 5, Webber was mentoring her to succeed him as the next best general surgeon, not necessarily the very next chief of surgery. Also, the fact that Derek Shepherd has been a SGH-attending for two years now, has years and years of experience, which still trumps Bailey, in terms of experience, whom would be become an first-time attending somewhere in Season 6.
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Webber created the Intern to the Chief of Surgery for George, granted it wasn't completely altruistic at the beginning, but he let George know it was an important position. Not only that, but as mentioned earlier, he allowed a retake of the intern-exam; Webber had no obligation to allow that, but he did it anyway.
In regards to the comment he made to Bailey, it was moreso the fact that his star general surgeon who was supposed to succeed him is now going off and specializing in pediatric surgery. The man, in addition to losing his hopsital's coveted position, was irrational, and undertandably so. Irrationality does facilitate things being said out of context. Also, you could look at it from another perspective, "you want me to be more like O'Malley?" meaning, Webber, being an accomplished general surgeon, Chief of Surgery of a major metropolitan hospital, years and years of experience, performing surgeries when the residents were in diapers, is being compared to O'Malley, a barely 2nd year general surgery resident. Factor in irrationality, and Bailey saying that to the Chief would be an insult.
The Chief is no bully. It's a gross misinterpretation of his character. He has flaws, he's human, and he's genuinely gone through changes seeking his own redemption. Adele and Meredith forgave him for past discretions, so I think Lynne, you should as well.
And Hannah, the meaness was exclusive to George. EVERYONE was mean to EVERYONE. George wasn't the only one picked on throuhgout the show. EVERYONE was mean to EVERYONE; this is surgery, this is the game: not everyone is going to play nice. Of course no one deserves to be treated, but this is a hospital, these are life/death situations: it's why pecking orders are established in this type of employment.
It wasn't an OOC writing mistake. It's the fact that his hospital dropped down to 12, his "chosen one" in general surgery just pulled a Judas and flocked towards pediatric surgery, he can't seem to keep a head of cardio on staff, and his hospital is falling apart with floods and false alarms and bombs. It's not an OOC-error, it's human frailty, it's flaws. It's not right to blame others irrationally or project unnecessary, but it's part of being human. He loses control, and he needs to wrap around some rationalization over it, and the consequence of that is irrational action. Everyone is prone to it... even the Chief.
And I'm so tired of people drinking the George-koolaid. George wasn't nice to everyone. He was just as catty as everyone else at one point or another. Wasn't it George whose first reaction was to make fun of Alex when Alex failed his medical boards? Wasn't it George who irrationally blamed Meredith knowing full well she couldn't return his emotions? Wasn't it George who was mad at, in Harold's words, "Dr. Hahn, Dr. Burke, Dr. Bailey, Dr. Yang, and Dr. Torres"? Wasn't it George who isolated Christina for protecting her boyfriend? Wasn't it George who, considering his past with Meredith Grey, was no blind to the affections of Lexie? Wasn't it George who asked Callie to marry him and then cheat on her with Izzie?
Yes, George was kind and decent, but he was far from perfect, just like everyone else. He was just as flawed, just as imperfect, and just as human as everyone else. He made mistakes just like everyone else. Yes, he was kicked around, but then again, so was everyone else. Everyone else was in the hot seat at one point or another, George wasn't exclusive to that.
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sorry typo, "...the quote isn't verbatim."