Pretty funny stuff! Bird whisperer......he won't peck you if you show him who's in control. Sit Dino, sit. Once in control, you can sit a bread crumb on his beak. Make him wait before he can eat it. Make him earn it!
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That's what I said, "CAN I SHOW YOU SOMETHING?"
My answer would have been a resounding HELL NO!
CAN I SHOW YOU SOMETHING? WELL, .....OK. BREAD CRUMBS......WOW! THAT'S CLEVER. WHAT'S THAT MOVING IN YOUR SHIRT? IT'S A TINY BEADY EYED DINOSAUR! WANT TO SEE THAT TOO? OK, SURE!
You know the rest of the story!
The pigeon thing will always make me laugh, always. I just can't help it.
When Jane is getting patted down by Oscar, I can picture that pigeon under Jane's armpit with bread crumbs on his beak.
I can picture the pigeon cooing and Jane whispering, shut up before you get us both killed.
What's Patrick Jane's nickname for his pet pigeon? His little pecker! :-)
I know why Jane's pigeon was so quiet under his coat. It was reading the Tao Te Ching! Jane gave him his copy for the trip.
Comment modified at February 13, 2014 02:02
No, I'm not crazy! I was just being silly.
Wow! How many times have I wondered that! Now that's deep! Interesting, interesting, interesting. Makes Ya wonder. See what this series has done to us? YOU COLD READ SIMON BAKER! WHY YOU LITTLE MENTALIST!
Neuro-Linguistic Programming...Mnemonics...Memory Palaces...Brain Washing...Cults...Blood Rituals...Mind Control...Hypnosis...Magic...Mysticism...Superstition...Witchcraft...Mesmerism...Secret Societies...Satanism...Bondage...fetishes...Darwinism...Ghosts...The afterlife...Religions, domestic and world...Social ideologies...Philosophical ideologies...Child sexual predators...Adult sexual predators...Death...Rape...Murder...Ritual murder...Serial Killings...Revenge killings...Killing children...Vigilantism...Conspiracy theories...Atheism...The Military...Serious medical issues. Mental issues...Emotional issues...Hospitals...Doctors...Nurses...Fringe societies...Homosexuality/ Cross Dressers...Stalking...Domestic abuse...Human weakness...Evil/Righteousness...Piety...Greed...Poverty...Human frailties...Big business...The wealthy...Espionage...Child abuse...Orphanages...Arranged marriages...Families and Family life...Intelligence...Fashion...Media...Gambling...Drugs...Gangs...Mobsters....Prostitutes...Cryptic messages...Education levels...Social statuses...Psychology...Parapsychology...Surrealism...Dadaism...Relationships...Love...Anagramms...Social belief systems...Santa Claus...The devil...Self importance/superiority...Personal tragedies...Corrupt, charities, government, law enforcement...etc...etc...etc!
These are all esoteric/hot button topics. They stoke the mystery, push our emotional buttons, shock us and so on. How they used these topics were a bit like hocus pocus. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. They even mocked the film/Tv industry. Jane is a hero/anti-hero. He does the things we wish we could do sometimes. Jane represents all of us. Heller involved us in what we take so serious and poked fun at all of it. It's a surreal relief from real life. There is no way to wrap up all these topics, cause you can't wrap up life!
If Heller screamed "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?" we would say, no, do a dance Heller! Not that dance. Break dance, now back that thang up! Never mind that, SING, not that song. You suck Heller! NOW GET BACK TO WORK!
I had a good time, I got drawn in and tossed about.
I THINK HELLER IS A GREMLIN! He had all of us hooked for six years! I'm not writing this story, he is and I appreciate his efforts.
Heller needs to stop listening to us and just write his story.
Yeah, I know I complained too, So! I'm crazy! What are you listening to me anyway! :-P
Simon is 5'10.
Beautifully put and right in line with what I suspect is the shows formula. What show on TV do any of you know that makes people think this hard? I love the levels. Actually using the symbols the way they did caused people to see many different things. I think it was accidental but it still had that effect. It really bugged the hell out me. It was driving me batty. It was delicious to say the least. I also happy I was able to figure it out. We all did, we spent a lot of time turning this series over and over. Now we all should try for world peace!
I think they really did do what they set out to do. And as you said we analyzed the shit out of this series. I'm am satisfied at this point that I know where they were coming from. I do not need them to confirm anything for me anymore. I'm positive this was an anomaly and we will not see another show like this for a long, long time to come. It absolutely amazes me that they pulled it off. I'm glad I found out before I had more of a hissy fit then I had. I can now sit back and value and enjoy my favorite show. I'm now happy for the lighter side. This show is a real trip. If I ever feel a need to take drugs, I'll just put on the Mentalist series. The mystery is solved for me. I no longer feel like a crazy road lizzard. Thanks for the trip Heller! :-P
@Rationalgal, I don't think we were ever suppose to take the symbolisms literally, right down to the smiley face. I think the whole idea behind it was that Red John used symbolism as smoke and mirrors. It never meant anything, Red John used it to confuse people and play on their superstitions. It was a way of manipulating people into believing there was more going on then there really was.
Here is how I know this; in the episode Red John's
Friends when Jane and Lisbon were sitting on the bed in the hotel room, Lisbon said that a good clue right. Jane just sat there not even concerned about it. He knew it wasn't a clue at all, just another device to throw him off. Jered didn't write that, the killer did.
In the episode Red John's rules Barlow said, you see Red John everywhere you look. Any punk could come alone and paint a smiley face and say here is Red John and you'd believe him. Barlow was cold reading Jane. He didn't know Red John. He was playing into the whole mysticism psychic crap to see he he could get the baby. He spooked Lisbon but he didn't spook Jane. Jane just said it was a good act. Also Barlow was trying to get at Jane because of Jane's father's dirt. Jane never saw Barlow as a friend, he just thinks of him as a dirt bag.
Jane figured out that Red John liked to use symbols. That why in the end there was so much symbolism being used. None of it meant a thing. And it was the very thing Jane used to bring Red John down.
Jane tricking Red John into coming to the place where his wife and child were buried was poetic justice. The chapel was nothing more to Jane then a place to trap Red John. The imagery comes across differently to the viewers based on what they believe in I guess.
So for all the people who said the symbolisms didn't mean anything you were right.
For all the people who said there ain't that many clues, you were right.
For all the people who said it ended right, you were right.
Rationalgal, thanks for sticking to your guns about Heller's philosophy on the matter, you were right.
Were there plot holes, some but in the scheme of things, minimal.
We picked up on a lot of things we weren't supposed to notice. A residual effect caused by looking for clues.
I think at this point I am completely satisfied with the way it turned out. Red John could have been a pig. We needed the imagery and to hear the pig squeal.
I feel at this point the series did exactly what it set out to do. There is nothing missing for me anymore. My frustration was based on not knowing where they were coming from artistically, philosophically, psychologically, spiritually or legally.
I now think based on what I have figured out that Heller is really a very brilliant and well informed person. Simon Baker is brilliant in his performance of the Jane character.
This series has made me think in ways I never would have, had I not been looking for clues. I have enjoyed the experience. It was a great ride.
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