Cobbled up Red John, I love that! We are certainly on the said page. I was going over some stuff today, I'll put it on top. I thought it was interesting when broken down. This has to be the reason for 7. It's visualize and the Red John mess. COBBLED UP 😁
I think you are more right then you know. They probably will make the time leap again. Which I think will be ok. But they still have that Red John mess to clean up. There is no way they can just close the door on it. Think about it for a minute. If Red John meant nothing then there was no moral imperative and Jane chased down a killer out of simple revenge and arrogance and got away with it. Twice. Where's the redemption in that? So, when they balled up Red John and threw out everything he did they toss out everything else too.
I own the whole series and I buy the online downloads. I also own the guardian series. I am aware of how many people watch the the show. I'm sure that you are just as big of a fan as I am, we just watch TV differently. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Interesting comment at the end there Rationalgal, you reiterated exactly what I was discussing earlier about how people watch TV.
It means also that Red John was not clever, charismatic, intelligent or any of the things they claimed him to be. Making McAllister Red John proves that. If this is the case, What does that make Jane? It makes me wonder if this hasn't all been some drug induced mental trip. To dismiss all of this is almost like saying it never happened. Or.............They wrote themselves into a corner!
In order to truly move this story along, there is going to have to be some discussion about Red John. If Patrick Jane is truly going to get over all of this he is going to have to discuss it, if just only with Lisbon. I feel they should bring the story full circle and fill in those gaps. But then, that's just me. It would have a richer story ending. For me introducing all of the subject matter the way they did and then just drop them, means there never was any significance to any of it. It would mean basically that all that stuff was used as prop devices to engross and capture an audience. Most people watched because of the Red John mystery. A device that was used for six years to keep the viewers watching. That wait was thrilling, it was like a slow ride to the top of a roll coaster. Then when you get to the top, you're told, ok everybody get out and take the stairs down to ground level, hope you enjoyed the ride. It was so anticlimactic. Jane's story arc ending -A+ Jane and Lisbon story arc ending -A+ Stand alone episodes -A+ Red John story arc and ending - F+ = F**ked up! If there was no significance in what RED John was doing or planning then why introduce all that stuff. Why couldn't he had just been a regular run of the mill serial killer? Why attach all the mythology, philosophy, psychology, religion, cult and social / societal issues to it. Why within the story arc would you say that there is some big evil plan and then just dismiss it. Why would you give Red John all these horrible attributes and then not explain them. I for one wanted to know all these things because I watched a story arc for six years with all these things in it. If they don't close it out then all we were watching was the evil cop version of the Wizard of Oz.
R. HarkerK.FryeT.VolkerVisualize These are still hanging along with Red John. Visualize poses a huge threat. Red John and visualize have been tied together since the beginning. How was Red John doing what he was doing? Where was Red John doing what he was doing? Why was Red John doing what he was doing? Who was involved and what happened to all his minions and Blake Association members? What was the purpose of all of it? Who was the woman in the graveyard and what is her connection? Why did the FBI just make everything go away? Isn't that the way Smith put it too? Are Jane, Lisbon and Cho really working for the Blake Association?
@ Rationalgal, I don't think that it was ever on the shoulders of the Jane character to represent the rights of all the wrongs of the Red John character. The Jane character was the main story arc. The Red John character the second story arc. What Red John meant to Jane was totally different then what RED John meant to the police procedural portion of the series. Jane's attitudes and actions don't speak for the overall theme of the series. They only reflect the feelings of his character. So how Jane feels and acts is independent to his character and not the other way around. I liked the Red John episode a lot after I figured out how they were presenting it. I liked that ending for Jane's character only. Jane was operating independently of the police and that's where it ended for him. But that is not where the story should have ended. The police were involved the whole time as well and the writers completely dismissed this portion of the Red John story arc. They presented the M.O. but they didn't close the case. I think that's why the ending was so unsatisfactory for most viewers. They spent six years showings us how horrible this man was, how he brutalized, mutilated, manipulated and abducted women, girls and babies. But they don't tell you why. Why? It seems really dismissive. The Patrick Jane character doesn't have anything to do with this. This is where they fell short because they didn't follow through.
I thought the finale was flawless too.
Here's something else, the whole series was ran based on the smiley face. They went so far as to put it on Lisbon. No explanation for this either. The name itself Red John, became an integral part of the series. The name and the smiley face symbol requires explanation. Why haven't the FBI even looked into this killer's background. The series never even profiled the guy. How can this guy be such a huge threat and not have a profile. Wouldn't they want to look into further risks, especially after what happened to K. Frye. This is like killing Charles Manson and leaving is crew behind. what kind of police work are they doing. They have all these government agencies involved over a ten year period and no one looks any further. No ones looking at the fact that this is the SECOND RED JOHN JANE HAS KILLED. Here's the biggest kicker, how is it that Jane being a consultant gets to determine who this killer is? Jane didn't know any more about him then the police did. If Jane made the mistake once, he could make it again. It's obvious looking at it from this point that Jane can make major mistakes. How do we really know McAllister was Red John? T. Carter was Red John too, until he wasn't. But isn't interesting that they looked into Carter's background but not McAllister's? Why don't the police want to know about this horrible, horrible man that raped and killed women and children. How do you present such a horrible scenario and then say it's not worth explanation. Does this mean that the writers think the viewers don't care about what happened to the other victims. We know in full detail why L. Wagner brutally murdered two people and used the smiley face symbol. But you blow off the ten year killing spree of a serial rapist like it didn't even F**KING matter. Its all most like saying that women don't matter. It kind of shows you what they think of women. This guy killed and brutalized women and little girls and you mean to tell me all the writers are concerned about is Jane's revenge? Then you show Stiles pouring blood on two naked women in a blood ritual. They kidnapped and gave women to Red John's goons. All these brutal acts were mainly perpetrated against women. Red John had all these mistresses, Red John hated women. His M.O. was to brutalize them. I want to know why Heller is writing this way and then saying he doesn't have to explain it. OH YES YOU DO! After analyzing this under a microscope, you can see clearly that this seems to be quite male oriented. Look at what's happened to all the females in this series. They had better make this about a secret society of men trying to take over the world and they better take them down. Otherwise at the end of this, I'm going to cold read Heller!
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