I love the show, love the concept, love the actors, loved all the stuff without Red John. Loved all the stuff with Red John until it went off the rails. You see I ain't buying the bridge. And I ain't buying that big ass line of hooey about we had to make him bigger then life crap. I am not a two year old and I need an explanation. If you made Jane real in all of his characteristics and Red John real in all of his characteristics, you can't reduce one without reducing the OTHER! NOT ADDRESSING THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT GO AWAY. THIS STORY ARC NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE. RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
How can you say this guy was nothing, when he was capable of all of this? How the F**k do you just dismiss this, how? Here's how, I KNEW WHAT EVER THE TRUTH LOOKED LIKE, THE OPPOSITE MUST BE TRUE. ARE YOU F**KING kidding me? What then does this imply? It implies this; if it is opposite of what was going on, it means Jane and Red John are as stupid as can be! SO SENSE THIS IS NOT TRUE, AN EXPLANATION IS NEEDED. YOU CAN'T REDUDED RED JOHN TO NOTHING WITHOUT REDUCING JANE TO THE SAME THING. IT WOULD MEAN THAT JANE CHASED DOWN AND KILLED A MAN (S) OUT OF SHEER REVENGE AND ARROGANCE. WHERE THE HELL IS THE REDEMPTION IN THAT?
Red John came and went as he pleased, US and foreign soil. He spewed intellectual- babel about HIGHER PATHS, ENLIGHTENMENT AND QUOTED BLAKE. All the while HYPING his grand plan through minions. He BRAINWASHED, and MESMERIZED all his minions. He needed to be WORSHIPPED and WORSHIPPED is a pretty big word as used in this text. Especially for an ordinary man, a human man period. Beside worshipping a god, human beings don't wordship anything, not in this sense. This man thought he was over human beings, better then human beings. So here we get a real sense of who he thinks he is and how great he thinks his abilities are. Red John being a living breathing human being needing worship implies that he would have had to be seen by his minions. Nothing like having worshipers groveling at your feet, adoring you with such reverence. To be friends with him implies that you know him and would have had to see him. 1) The minions saw him and knew who he was. 2). The Blake Association saw him and only knew him as McAllister. 3) He was a full time deputy in Napa valley. 4) HE was a serial killing rapist. Don't you think this is spreading a guy kinda thin?How do you run all of these entities, brainwash people and play games with Patrick Jane for ten years. I know if it were me, I'd have some problems focusing!
Cobbled up Red John, I love that! We are certainly on the said page. I was going over some stuff today, I'll put it on top. I thought it was interesting when broken down. This has to be the reason for 7. It's visualize and the Red John mess. COBBLED UP 😁
I think you are more right then you know. They probably will make the time leap again. Which I think will be ok. But they still have that Red John mess to clean up. There is no way they can just close the door on it. Think about it for a minute. If Red John meant nothing then there was no moral imperative and Jane chased down a killer out of simple revenge and arrogance and got away with it. Twice. Where's the redemption in that? So, when they balled up Red John and threw out everything he did they toss out everything else too.
I own the whole series and I buy the online downloads. I also own the guardian series. I am aware of how many people watch the the show. I'm sure that you are just as big of a fan as I am, we just watch TV differently. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Interesting comment at the end there Rationalgal, you reiterated exactly what I was discussing earlier about how people watch TV.
It means also that Red John was not clever, charismatic, intelligent or any of the things they claimed him to be. Making McAllister Red John proves that. If this is the case, What does that make Jane? It makes me wonder if this hasn't all been some drug induced mental trip. To dismiss all of this is almost like saying it never happened. Or.............They wrote themselves into a corner!
In order to truly move this story along, there is going to have to be some discussion about Red John. If Patrick Jane is truly going to get over all of this he is going to have to discuss it, if just only with Lisbon. I feel they should bring the story full circle and fill in those gaps. But then, that's just me. It would have a richer story ending. For me introducing all of the subject matter the way they did and then just drop them, means there never was any significance to any of it. It would mean basically that all that stuff was used as prop devices to engross and capture an audience. Most people watched because of the Red John mystery. A device that was used for six years to keep the viewers watching. That wait was thrilling, it was like a slow ride to the top of a roll coaster. Then when you get to the top, you're told, ok everybody get out and take the stairs down to ground level, hope you enjoyed the ride. It was so anticlimactic. Jane's story arc ending -A+ Jane and Lisbon story arc ending -A+ Stand alone episodes -A+ Red John story arc and ending - F+ = F**ked up! If there was no significance in what RED John was doing or planning then why introduce all that stuff. Why couldn't he had just been a regular run of the mill serial killer? Why attach all the mythology, philosophy, psychology, religion, cult and social / societal issues to it. Why within the story arc would you say that there is some big evil plan and then just dismiss it. Why would you give Red John all these horrible attributes and then not explain them. I for one wanted to know all these things because I watched a story arc for six years with all these things in it. If they don't close it out then all we were watching was the evil cop version of the Wizard of Oz.
R. HarkerK.FryeT.VolkerVisualize These are still hanging along with Red John. Visualize poses a huge threat. Red John and visualize have been tied together since the beginning. How was Red John doing what he was doing? Where was Red John doing what he was doing? Why was Red John doing what he was doing? Who was involved and what happened to all his minions and Blake Association members? What was the purpose of all of it? Who was the woman in the graveyard and what is her connection? Why did the FBI just make everything go away? Isn't that the way Smith put it too? Are Jane, Lisbon and Cho really working for the Blake Association?
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