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This is how I know that the Blake Association and Red John represented two different entities. 1) Blake Association members knew what their deal was and weren't necessarily willing to die for it. They were able to talk about the how's and why's of their situation. 2) Red John minions would never talk about it, even upon death. They all has that stupid laugh. They would spout their Red John philosophy, kill themselves or die. These people said they knew who Red John was. 3) How is it that the minions knew him when McAllister said no one knew him. Was McAllister lying? 4) if the killing of Red John meant that the whole thing was over, why was the mysterious women at the scene at all and left to live? 5) Why are the Blake Association members and the minions so different? Clearly two different things are happening. 6) It takes time and a place is needed to brainwash people. Where did all this happen? 7) If Blake and minions are different and I think I proved that they are. Then there is a whole other operation out there still operating. So who is running it? If the writers could take all the subtleties between Jane and Lisbon and make them make since, why aren't they making this make sense? There is no way they can't see this, they created it.

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What amuses me the most is the vanity. Why would the powers that be think a cute face relieves them of the responsibility of bringing us a quality write? I get all the tools you need in your present but ultimately you need the complete storyline to pull it off. We need all of the answers of your present. There is no way to walk away from this present without answering the questions of what was presented. None, except the obvious and I hope...............!

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I'm not a writer and I'm not a genius but I do have the good since to know how things should go. If at the end of all of this they don't resolve these issues, I will F**KING throw my hat into the ring. I don't take lightly to having my intelligence insulted and they will have proven to me that the bullshit they peddled is the bullshit they believe about society at large. That we are a bunch of suckers that will buy anything. I hope they prove me wrong, I really do. This is now placed squarely on their heads. They have one more chance to prove all of us wrong, I hope they can prove it! I'm a fan that believes in the truth of the product. If in the end it's about money and your ability to make us believe, then you really did drink your own Kool aide! We're not that stupid and were only waiting for you to prove that you were different then what we believed in the first place. That Hollywood is Hollywood and that their job is to get the average Joe to believe the hype. We are real people living in real time and we know how life works. If you want to distract us from that, then make it credible.

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I've been thinking about Red John, as much as I get the philosophical and little perverse man ending. The I don't care how you did what you did leaves a lot out. How he got the names, I think we were suppose to figure out and that's why we didn't get that information. Jane knew he wasn't magical, so since it's his journey, I suppose he can chose not care to get into his backstory. What I found interesting was they chose to talk about the concussion grenade and what happened in the room. It almost indicates deception. Something they will get back to later. Here's what bugs me about the whole Red John ending. While Red John was just a man, he did some very real physical things that should not have been pushed aside. The types of things that require an explanation. To not answer these questions speaks high volumes about the writing or lack thereof. I find it hard to believe that the writers would ignore the core principle of Red John's philosophy. This is what was missing from the Red John ending. All the mythology, ok, that can be dismissed very easily. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why not. To truly close this thing they have to explain the biggest part of the Red John mystery. How did Red John convince his minions to die for him without giving him up. Now, I know it was stated that no one knew who he was. So, if they didn't, why would anyone give their life up for someone they didn't know. This totally defies logic and I think if they don't address this they will go out having serious problems of believability. The scenario is set up with everyone encountering a real man. One that needed their worship. If this is so, who was that man? Who is the man that had the ability to reduce K. Frye to a mental case? Where is the man who was able to manipulate all his followers to give up their souls and their lives for him. This was not the works of the Blake Association. They used dirt and tattoos to get their people to work. McAllister was not the man behind the mind bending manipulation. If they don't address this issue they will lose their credibility. They made McAllister look like a goof in the end, they made him look like a stupid little perverse creep. Ok, well and good, point made. But in doing this, they removed his intelligence and made it quite obvious that McAllister was the serial killer but not the intelligence behind it. It appears that Jane was chasing two different things at once. There is no way this can be dismissed. McAllister was a puppet and nothing more. There is no way he would have revealed himself if he were the ideology of what he was selling to the public. If no one knew him, why on earth would he revealed himself and risk all that he's built. He wouldn't and that's why that women showed up in the graveyard. She showed up because there is more to this story. The assumption that Red John is many is more then relevant. There is something intertwined in all of this that was missed. Not completely but nevertheless over looked. What was over looked and why and how did we miss it. I will not for one second believe that the writers overlooked this. So, so, so, what in the hell did we take for granted? I will at this point give the writers the benefit of the doubt. I am willing to do this for the sake of their intelligence and for no other reason. So I say to the writers, prove me the F**K WRONG! OR PROVE YOU MADE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER! YOU HAVE TO RELIEVE THIS MYSTERY OR YOU WILL HAVE PROVEN WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE ALL OF THIS CREDITABLE. If this is not resolved, they will have shown us that they have underestimated the intelligence of their viewers. It also would show a arrogance to the likes that I have ever seen. To present something like this and waste the time of the viewers without explanation, would be.......well, F**k , fill in the blanks..........! Yes, I admit the show is excellent in its conception and presentation but it has to be finished in order to prove its credibility on an over all level. When stepping into an endeavor like this, it is not enough to just present it. You have to prove the truths of it. Fiction or not, you have to prove it.

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Not new and can be taken care of in one episode. Haibach, used as a smoke screen, closed. List decrypted, members revealed, not found or dead, FBI big wig exposed, taken down, 1 episode. Kim and Wiley exposed, taken down , same episode, done. Kim goes crazy, tries to kill Jane and Lisbon. Lisbon kills Kim, saves Jane, 1 episode. Jane figures out who the string puller is, Stiles. Jane finds Stiles and takes down visualize and Stiles in grand style, 2 episodes. In these two episodes Jane also brings K. Frye back to life. He also finds M.Kirkland, you can add that part. Same episode. In these two episodes we find out about Red John, his back story. We find out about Barlow, Jane's family, his wife, their family and so on. And there are still episodes left. Not as complicated as it would first appear.

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Thanks Rationalgal, I was trying to be quite.

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I didn't forget Ardiles. I believe Ardiles was the only one on the list that was killed. Why because that's who they were after in the first place. Think about this for a minute. It was two years after the closing of the CBI, Lisbon and Jane had been moving around in those two years. Haibach is not in law enforcement, so how did he get there Austin location. So, ok, you want to say he was monitoring their phones. Let's look at this; Haibach used a makeshift cellar to put Van Pelt in. One which she got out of. The technology used to detect her escape. A cheap motion detector hanging off a tree. Haibach didn't even have a car, he took the bus to Austin. Next thing, how did Haibach know that Jane and Lisbon joined the FBI. That's not public information. Haibach made a public statement to get revenge. He wanted revenge against Jane. So why did he take Rigspelt instead. It was the diversion they needed to kill Ardiles and Le Roache in Sacramento. The shooter in the Rigspelt house was dressed in tactical gear and it was never his intention to kill them. The shooter was setting the stage. The phones were still tapped when Jane said Le Roache owed him a favor. A move that was seen in advance and planned for. The reason things seemed so out of place was because there were two very different things going on at once. 1) Haibach being used as a tool and 2) Blake Association in action. Here's why this action by Haibach seems so out of place. 1) There was a Blake Association member at Haibach's crime scene that heard what Haibach said and used it as cover. Haibach could not have gained that information in his own. I certain of that. 2) why were Ardiles and Le Roache targeted? They were Blake Association and it was clean up time and on the encrypted list. That's why Abbott's eyes got big when Jane told him he could take down some people too, big people. 3) why did Jane pick the case he picked to win Lisbon back. Why? Because it involved the Austin office big wig. 4) here are the names I think are on that encrypted list. A) Bertram
B) Shedrick
C) Le Roache
D) Ardiles
E) Smith
F) Partridge
G) Darcy
H) McAllister
I) Minnelli
J) Shultz I have a few more but I won't list them now. If I'm right I'll tell you. Last thing, they lady that Jane faught in the church was not connected to McAllister and was not a cop. Why? You don't take a knife to a gun fight. So I'm guessing that season 7 will be the grand finale.

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Stiles threatened Hightower when she threatened to file charges against him. Up until that point, there were no issues with Hightower and Red John. I think that it was interesting that Le Roache headed up that investigation that blamed Hightower for killing Todd Johnson. Le Roache took that lighter that never did come back from the lab and now Le Roache is dead. Le Roache also had the tongue of his mother's rapist in a Tupperware box. As cute and cuddley as he seemed, he was very suspect and a perfect candidate for the Blake Association. Clearly Le Roache was not a respectable police Officer and he worked under Bertram who was in bed with McAllister. Was the team ever targeted or was this a setup to get rid of Le Roache? And why wasn't Le Roache on the CBI list with everybody else? Because he was the real target! Haibach was used as a diversion and stupid enough to go along with it. So the string puller is still out there.

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Stiles threatened Hightower when she threatened to file charges against him. Up until that point, there were no issues with Hightower and Red John. I think that it was interesting that Le Roache headed up that investigation that blamed Hightower for killing Todd Johnson. Le Roache took that lighter that never did come back from the lab and now Le Roache is dead. Le Roache also had the tongue of his mother's rapist in a Tupperware box. As cute and cuddley as he seemed, he was very suspect and a perfect candidate for the Blake Association. Clearly Le Roache was not a respectable police Officer and he worked under Bertram who was in bed with McAllister. Was the team ever targeted or was this a setup to get rid of Le Roache? And why wasn't Le Roache on the CBI list with everybody else? Because he was the real target! Haibach was used as a diversion and stupid enough to go along with it. So the string puller is still out there.

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I don't know Rationalgal, Heller said this was it. Red John is dead. Pulling that stunt a third time would be overkill. I think if they do anything, they will introduce the mastermind behind all of this. The string pulling, suit wearing, tea drinking puppeteer. I think it could still be Stiles and Visualize. They were the only ones who exhibited the brainwashing techniques and could control people in that manner. In that last ceremony Stiles performed, it showed that he would be the most likely person to be such a womanizer. You see how he tried to get Grace. LET ME SHOW YOU, YOU AS YOU NEVER SEEN YOURSELF BEFORE. EEISH, REALLY. REMEMBER ALL THAT BIRD NEEDING TO FLY CRAP. Then when he found out she was married, he dismissed her and basically called Rigsby a goof. They could go anywhere with this or not at all. I Still believe somebody put Haibach up to his dirty work. Haibach was your run of the mill pervert, he didn't do all that alone. Michael Kirkland could also come into play, I just don't see him as Red John but I didn't see McAllister either.