If they use any of the threads, they would all be Red John related.
You're right, they have enough to completely wrap it up. One or two episodes to close the books forever. Then we would truly be able to see a Jane that does not have to look over his shoulders about anything. At this point he can move on and we can move on with him. My main point is that there is huge potential for a great resolution for everyone. All the plot holes could be tied up. Easy fix.
I got tired of the Red John storyline. What was getting to me was the not knowing, not getting anywhere part. I loved the idea of the storyline itself. It was the tease I didn't like so much. I did at first but then, well....it just got monotonous. Now we have an advanced storyline. No more carrot on a string. I think the viewers were sick of the tease and rightly so. I don't think they'd be upset by a progressive Red John storyline. It would add to the intrigue.
I'm not talking about the whole smiley face killing scenario. What I'm talking about is Jane coming to terms with the possibility the he is not always the smartest one in the room. That maybe just maybe there are certain things you should just walk away from. To learn that to be the most intelligent one in the room is by not being the most intelligent one in the room. It would show the type of growth and redemption we've been discussing for a while now.
I would love to see that transformation. We saw Jane's grief, anger and revenge. For the most part we have been robbed of any type of identifiable growth. Everything thing about Jane concerning this issue is still wide open. If Jane had to come up against something like this again, would he be willing to kill again? Would he walk away a changed man. We still as an audience don't know where Jane stands on this. I would love to hear Jane discuss this, especially with Lisbon.
So for me, this is not over. Kim said the Red John thing ran halfway across the country. So, am I suppose to assume the the Austin office was immuned? There is so much potential left.
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@Rationalgal, you say they can't reopen the Red John case. The FBI never identified McAllister as Red John, never. They have only referred to him as McAllister. This case was never closed. They may never bring the storyline back but I'll bet my Eye tooth they will hint or tease it.
Here's the one thing no one considered.........Red John may have a family. Maybe Red John junior is feeling a little venomous after finding out that Jane killed his father by choking the Shit out of him, making him beg for his life and all. LIKE FATHER, LIKE SON!
The hunt for Red John is over. That part is over. Red John could be retired or his son could be picking up where dear ole dad left off. There is the possibility that the women in the chapel was Red John's daughter. A big headed guy like Red John would probably need an heir. Cause Jane wouldn't act right.
Lots of potential, lots! RED JOHN JUNIOR! He could actually tell Jane to his face he's going to avenge his father's death, he's not wanted. He could explain his father and what his father wanted.
See, now I'm starting to excite my own self. They better do something. Hey what if Red John's son is the head of the Austin FBI branch?
Jane always was the hero. He started out that way. It was about him living in past his tragedy. That's what made him a hero.
Here is what people don't realize; Heller says a lot of things in the media. He also said that they might revisit the Red John storyline depending on how the viewers felt. Well, you and me both think so, don't we? I'm not talking about some long on going thing. Two really good episodes could capture this storyline. One if their rushed. They have an opportunity to do this to the satisfaction of everyone.
I'm really torn about this series. I know this series like the back of my hand. It is my most favorite thing to do. I know there was something wrong with that wrap up.
If I were going to put my name on a project like this series, I would never leave it the way it is. I would never want anyone to think I was that inept. This is something that will go down in series history as either the best series ever of the most laughable series ever. I will not believe for one second that all the people associated with this series are inept. Which leads to only one conclusion. Heller is playing the viewers.
Look, what if we took this story to a high school teacher as it is, how do you think she'd grade it? What she would say is that the writer did not complete his thoughts. Some of the most basic things are missing. Who, what, where, when, why and how. Two of these things are missing. The teacher would return this paper to the student for a redo for a better grade. Heller is a professional writer, he knows better.
I think Heller is a good storyteller and is setting us up. Twice they said we would be disappointed. Heller said it and the Baker said it in the actual Red John episode. It's almost like they wanted to move their audience in that direction to completely surprise them later on. Don't give them important pieces to the puzzle, tell them they will be disappointed. Then produce a Red John subject that is completely not like the Red John character the audience was expecting. Then have Jane say I don't want to know anything. I don't know about Jane but I but I wanted to tear my TV up. Then again they frustrate us by mentioning the list without giving the information. Here we have a subject, (the list) that was a major part of a few episodes. To totally dismiss it says to me, we are toying with people.
All the dropped storylines and plot holes are being done in purpose. The way all this things were done just says set up, scam, flim Flam..........I just can believe all those people don't know what they're doing. Rushed or not rushed.
@Rationalgal, I'm with you! I have thought it over and over. I have probably said it as many times. The consistency of the plot holes seemed crazy and even crazy has a pattern. I am of the belief that Red John set Patrick Jane up to kill. In all of the six years Red John has been ahead of Jane. And as you say Rationalgal, Red John even supplied Jane the clue that caused him to creat the list. Up until that point Jane had nothing.
I just don't think the writers of this show are so half witted that they would throw a mystery like this away. Yes there has been much speculation and disappointment concerning the Red John ending. I was one of them, I was in complete disbelief. For me, it seemed like a complete set up for Jane. I know Red John knew in order to make Jane stop chasing him he would have to give him a body.
The scene where Jane is chasing McAllister is reminiscent of Jane watching the animal channel. Everything about that episode said set up. McAllister was a sacrifice. Red John never needed to show up at that chapel. McAllister could have stayed dead. It all seemed like a smoke and mirrors performance. Even if Red John is still alive, Jane has satisfied his psychological blood lust, I hope.
Jane has shot Red John (Carter) and now he has strangled him, McAllister.
How diabolical it would be for Red John to resurface again and let Jane know that he is as much of a killer as he is. Will Jane want to kill again. What a trap. A true master of the game would want to completely annihilate their opponent.
The type of game Jane and Red John have been playing for 10 years is not the type of game that would have been drawn. Red John would not have gone out like that. McAllister didn't act like Red John and Jane was so blinded by his revenge he couldn't even see that. Jane was so pent up he had to kill somebody. Red John supplied him that body just like he supplied him with Lorelei.
Red John wants to break Jane down. How would you feel if you killed another person because you were manipulated into doing so. That's real power. McAllister message to Jane was that he was a nobody. If he thinks that he wouldn't have even shown up to tell him. It would have been an opportunity to show Jane how stupid he really is and how once again he is being controlled.
The whole thing at Jane's place was another show. I don't believe Stiles and Haffner are dead. I don't believe Lorelei is dead either.
We have no proof. Partridge worked for Red John. He could have set all that stuff up with Lorelei. Stile's and Haffner's bodies were burnt beyond recognition just like McAllister's. You don't think that it's mere coincidence that Stiles needed to die, said he was dying and preparing for death. Then he, by mere coincidence gets blown up and burned beyond recognition.
Then we have the Kirklands. If one still is alive would really, really, really need some revenge.
I'm not a professional script writer but even I know I could write the SHIT out of whats left. I know those writer's can too.
I know they are not done. The mere idea of what could be written has me salivating! The show has a very ambiguous writing style and can go anywhere from here. Going back and forth shows their brilliance. I know have have shown my frustration at times. I really hope it's due to my impatience.
They could take this to a whole new level! I hope they do! What a delicious dilemma for the writers. They are right on the crux of a precipice that could really be mind blowing. That's what I'm waiting for!
Comment modified at February 07, 2014 09:23
Yeah, the are a lot of bootleg shows out there. I don't like any of them and believe me I tried them. Elementary made my brain slip out it's so dumb. The following is the Red John story personified. Thieves. Then there's that other stupid show that got people's choice, can't remember their name right now. B-) I have to say, I only like The Mentalist. I know I'm tired of all this waiting. We get a really good cliffhanger and we have to wait around forever to see it. That sucks.
@euterpe, that funny but it could be true!
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