@HA559, I have been waiting for you to post. I hope you haven't changed your mind. Then I want to add my two cents in about K. Frye.
Yep, that's what I think too. We can put this one to bed.
So what it looks like is Red John went on a killing spree trying to hurt Jane, scare him and get him to make him back off. I don't really see anything else here. If you do add it in.
Maybe all this was, was an attempt to break Jane down and nothing more. Maybe the information did come from Sophie Miller. Another game to misdirect the search and make Jane feel guilty on two levels.
Rationalgal, I think I know what the message behind killing Lee Lee is. The killing of Lee Lee made Jane go back home. The social worker said Red John just had to have Lee Lee. The memory in Jane's head was of a proud father playing with his little girl. Daddy's little girl. Lee Lee never meant anything to Jane personally except a happy memory. Why try and kill this memory, what would be the point of it? What if this was really a message? Where is the memory? It's IN Jane's memory. What is the memory of? Daddy's happy little girl. So what if this is the message....... IN MEMORY OF DADDY'S HAPPY LITTLE GIRL. The only connection I can make here is two things; 1) this was a taunt for killing Jane's daughter or 2) it's a message from Angela's father. But I can't see why a father would kill a grandchild and his own daughter. And I don't have a connection for this to Angela's father. But the message does seem to indicate 1 or 2. Anybody want to take a guess?
Barlow was adamant about the idea that Red John had psychic powers. The problem with Barlow is he's a con and prone to being a big liar. I thought it was interesting that he thought the Jane's were wicked people but not his people. We know for sure Barlow wasn't talking about McAllister because he'd still be alive today if he had psychic powers. I never thought Barlow was Red John. What I don't understand is why kill an innocent. Lee Lee Barlow really had nothing to do with Jane except for being a memory. Why did Red John need to kill a memory? The problem I have with this is that the killing of Lee Lee Barlow as an adult didn't really kill Jane's memory. In reality, it added a knew one. In trying to kill this memory was Red John trying to psychologically kill a little girl. We saw a happy faced baby girl and a proud father playing with her on a Sunny festive day. The only connection I can make here is that Jane got Angela killed. She may have been seen by her father as his baby girl. Mentally speaking, isn't this how most fathers see there daughters. Daddy's little girl? Is that the message?
You know, something has just occurred to me. We are turning this thing over and over. We're making progress, I think. Now what kind of analysis would we have it we didn't explore everything. OF COURSE, I WANT TO BE RIGHT! IT WOULD BE VERY PLEASING AND IT WOULD MAKE ME TINGLE A LITTLE TOO. BUT THAT'S JUST ME AND WHAT I WANT. 😁! Me wanting that doesn't make it the truth SOOOOOOO....... We know Red Johns have acted on the behalf of someone. A string puller, a puppet master. we need to explore the notion that this string pulling puppet master is a female. It could be the reason that we have not found this person. We automatically assumed that the characteristics belonged to a man, but we did notice that certain characteristics were of a feminine nature. If the Red John's were passing along information on behalf of the string puller, there is a chance that those qualities that are indicative of a female could have been passed on in the information that Jane received. Men and women use certain patterns and pattern phrases in their speech language. It doesn't make it less effective or any less powerful but it could indicate what sex you are without having to see the individual who said it. We noticed that most of the victims are women. I went on my rant about that. I SURE IN THE HELL DID! If we are going to hold a man to his standards, we need to hold a women to hers as well. A woman can also be as evil as any man. She can be just as powerful, wealthy, and politically connected as any man. A women can do the same thing we've seen this string puller do. So now I'm going look for clues that might indicate this type of deception.
Barlow, like Stiles seems to know who Red John is or someone got to Barlow and made him say what he said.
Barlow made an interesting statement. He said any punk could say here is Red John, there is Red John and you'd believe him. That's an interesting statement considering what we have discovered about the Red Johns. He also said, he will always defeat you and that Red John had powers, real psychic powers. What was Barlow trying to tell Jane and why did he look so worried at the end? What is lurking in Jane past that everyone seems to know about but won't talk about?
@Rationalgal, I've been thinking about what you posted. I recall that we discussed the possibility of Michael Kirkland trading places with Robert Kirkland and was the one that was shot and killed. That's where Jane's list got a little tricky. When they added the twin in the mix, it then could have been either one of them and the list still would have been right. So if one of them pops up again, we won't know who's who. I think you are right about the Red John's and it makes sense. Why would two Red Johns have basically the same information and talk the same way unless they were speaking for someone else. At this point we don't know if it was T. Carter or T. McAllister. I think one thing is certain, and that is Jane's information was passed down to these two people who said they were the one's who killed Jane's family. Now we know both of them could not have done it. But both were sent to confess it. This also includes Bertram who said over the phone don't make me use the funny voice. What this indicates is that a hit was put on Jane's family. The person who ordered the hit was not the same person who killed his family. If we keep getting different people showing up saying they are Red John, it only means one thing. SOMEONE IS SENDING THEM. I think Stiles controlled Red John and was never worried about anything he knew about him. If anything it would be just the opposite. I think that there have been multiple people acting in the name of Red John and that's why the M.O. changed. I don't believe Stiles and Haffner are dead. There is no way McAllister acted alone in Jane's beach house. Jane had the gun on Bertram, Smith and McAllister. He was facing them with the gun. That left Stiles and Haffner behind Jane and they could have done anything. It also appears that most of the damage was done in the area of where Stiles and Haffner were. This area had the most damage which indicates deception. For me it's just like the foot with no sock, shoe or damage. I even said that Jane looked pretty good for someone who had been blown up when I first saw the episode. All of them went in alive and they all came out alive. Something just crossed my mind. Why did McAllister get killed? He was suppose too and that's why he walked over to Jane when no one else ever would have. McAllister was sent there to die and make Jane believe he had finally killed the real one. This time the person behind all of this would finally convince Jane that it was over. Psychologically speaking, it's a smart game. It would stop his blood lust obsession for revenge and the person behind it all could truly retire. I think while we won't see Red John activities as we are use to seeing them. We will slowly see some similarities that will make Jane question what happened. Now talking about an evil twisted diabolical game that could be played. How could Jane ever say Red John is alive without everyone thinking he was crazy. I could see them using the twin for this and having it lead back to Stiles and Visualize. The discovery that Stiles was the mastermind and the reason that Jane's family was really dead. Jane realizing that Stiles is untouchable and having to live with his discovery.
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