I'm still thinking about this and about the symbolism. There was a lot of it, too much. Red John did symbolize what Rationalgal summed up. Heller put the world's evil all in one person. He put all the world's religion in one person. He put all the world's politics in one person. He put all the world's magic in one person. He put the occult in one person. He put the world's psychosis in one person. He put the hatred of women in one person. So on and so on. All these things were there. No wonder Jane is a atheists. Lisbon with all her cross rubbing showed more of a superstitious belief in her religion more then anything else. Life, death, murder, a messed up judicial system and the stupid gullible people who run all of it. Then you have all the evil people who run. There is no way one man could represent all this. Red John didn't seem to scare to many people in California. The whole world should have been shut down. Red John was a bunch of evil fantasy wrapped up in what people hold most dear or fear. If he had been one idea that was carried throughout the series it would have closed nicely. This was way too much. They should have had an exorcist in that church instead of Jane, a gun, some bread crumbs and a pigeon. Nice ending Heller.
This crap doesn't represent anything in my life, this kind of crap is why we have psychiatrist, gun laws and alcohol!
They shouldn't of killed Red John, they should have given him some XANAX! HE'D BE SANTA CLAUSE THEN!
If I seen extremely sarcastic it's because this was really silly to me. Red John, meh......
I STILL think The Mentalist is the best show on tv and the cast is phenomenal. My only problem was with the Red John arc. I'm glad it's over, now I can go back to being entertained. I hope no one in tv ever, ever, has a arc this long again. I would never watch it. After this I will never watch tv the same again. Because they asked us to follow clues, I can now detect the mistakes they make too. The ones that I would never have caught if I hadn't done this for so long. I now micro watch tv and that can be frustrating at times. Now I know why they call tv an idiot box!
@Rihanna, good summation!
@Washgurl36, here's a couple of things I don't understand. 1) why is so important that you all want us to see it your way? 2) I thought this was a place where we respected and welcomed all opinions no matter what they were.
Now I'm going to answer your question.
Red John was never an allegory. He was a real character that did some horrendous things. All the titles in 6 years worth of episodes have Red in them. Heller spent this long building Red John's persona. we heard the voice, we saw him in hoddies, suits, drinking tea and so on. He had girlfriends, which he shared with Jane on occasion. He physically rescued Jane once. The connected Red John to Visualize and Stiles. We saw the bodies of his dead victims. We saw him break into computers and the list goes on.
Red John has a smiley face signature that he placed at all his crime scenes. In the pilot it was mentioned that he was in a psychology book. As the series goes this was a real person. One that formed a attachment to Jane and chase him throughout the series. A real person that wanted to take everything Jane cared for. My point here is that he was real. Not some philosophical representation of life/death, politics and religion.
The FBI, CBI and Homeland Security weren't just chasing a philosophy, they were chasing a serial killer called Red John. A serial killer they attached so much to that they could not produce him. This killer was supposed to be charismatic, intelligent, powerful and wealthy. Tell me why, if know one knew who he was, why he constantly killed the people who said they knew him, except for a blind woman. This says this character is real.
Then they literally tell people to follow clues. Why? Why would you do that if all Red John was was a philosophical myth. That is the biggest load of crap I ever heard! Red John was a central figure. He changed this MO because of Jane and became obsessed with him. Red John did very cruel and unusual things to people. He brought up Jane's past a few times. DID I WANT TO KNOW THE WHO, WHERE, HOW AND WHAT OF THIS WHOLE THING? YOU'RE DAM RIGHT! For it to be any other way is just ludicrous.
To just blow all this off and say he was just a man and you'll be disappointed is the silliest thing I've ever heard. The only reason someone would make a statement like this is when they know they screwed up. This is to soften the blow. They took the mythical Red John and turned him into a sniveling, whining, pathetic, unintelligent goof ball begging for his life. I understand what they were getting at but the character Red John would have never gone out like that or should have not been written out like that. Heller set the stage, character Todd Johnson said IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND! Well, it didn't!
Heller clearly blew it here. What he set up was hinging on being something that would have gone down in tv history as a piece of work to be envied. The writing was good, until he threw it all away. This was a series that had many components and The Red John arc was one of those components. He blew this part. This was like Daffy Duck being the Wizard of Oz. Do I think Heller is a good writer, yes, in the area's he knows about. VILLAINOUS GROUP OF FREEMASON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.......THIS IS A MAJOR AND EGREGIOUS INSULT TO ME AS A VIEWER. Then to try and blow it all off, is even more so. Don't play with things you know nothing about and you won't hear a peep out of me. YES, I STILL LOVE THE SHOW AND I THINK BRUNO HELLER WRITES IT VERY WELL! THE RED JOHN ARC WAS A BUST FOR ME.
The episode itself was very good for what it was. It was written very well and for me, it's rather ironic.
@Entwife, he had some questions, 42 minutes and an eye full of ink!
Wow! The biggest question of all!
I have my cherry cheese cake to comfort me, with whip creme! Happy thanksgiving!
I think I'm going to sue Heller for 5 1/2 years of torture with punitive damages! :-D
Here's what's so funny about what you say. I am a super fan, I'm just not a dumb one. And depending on who you talk to, I may or may not be a lunatic.B-). I actually liked the episode for what it was, it was very good. I know now from what Heller said and how things turned out, that he does not know how to write a mystery. His concept was excellent, he just couldn't deliver. You can love something and not be happy with all it's components. This was one of those things. I don't just like something for the sake of liking it. There was a reason for liking it. I love the show but I'm not going to suck up that swill about how Red was just a man when he was doing things superman couldn't do. Hell, Satan looked like a saint compared to Red John. I have satisfied myself with the idea of where Heller could have gone, what it should have been. This has me scratching my head for sure. I had a lot of faith in those guys even when everyone said they lost their way. But as Baker himself says, don't piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining. I still love the show and I love me some Simon Baker! Again what I didn't like was the show was billed as a show that was realistic / logical and then I was dragged on a acid trip and called a internet lunatic because I wasn't sedated enough. Well........! Forget that! I had such high hopes, man! Maybe Heller will get it right the next time. He has a good start now. This could have been a master piece worthy of such Hollywood envy. But..........butt! It was a good ride, it really was! But now I'm wearing a neck brace! And somebody is going to be responsible for that dam it! Now I know Heller didn't think he wasn't going to get it for this. He knew, that's why he threw the first punch!
Oh and Heller was right, McAllister was just a man. But Red John was a SUPER VILLIAN, POOF! NOW YOU SEE HIM, NOW YOU DON'T!
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