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The other thing is this "tyger tyger" esque organization. a) Why take so long to introduce it into the show, this red john story line is going to be gone in 4 episodes and it doesn't look like next week's episode focuses on it? Hard to really establish it as something as big as it looks like they want to with only 4 episodes to do so. And everything about it is incredibly vague, not to mention the fact that there would need to be some really good organization and crazy story line and drive behind it to make such a conspiracy happen? Doubt we'll get much of an explanation behind that. By making it vague, the show sets itself up to cover its tracts well and anything about it now goes basically, but there just opening themselves up for contradiction and ideas that don't really make sense. Part of the reason they probably did this was because this will be a focus in the after RJ plot, but there's just too much to entangle here in the next 4 episodes to me to make everything tie up logically without some cracks.

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So I'll always take an episode like this over your case of the week filler 100 times over 100 and it was very enjoyable to watch but there were a couple things I wish could have been different or I wasn't a huge fan of. a) I thought it was a copout by the writers to set up Kirkland as this super powerful omnipotent mysterious guy with some potentially wild agenda and then just make it about him being another red john victim. And it doesn't add up logically either, if Kirkland was the head of Homeland dont you think RJ would taunt him? Kill people close to him? And how do you think RJ would react if he found out Kirkland was going on this tear of killing anyone necessary all in the pursuit of RJ? He definitely would have reacted somehow. Now maybe we find out later RJ acted in someway in response to this but highly unlikely to say the least. That I wasn't a big fan of.

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I hope we don't know red john is before he's captured, ruins the suspense, but i have a feeling that might happen. You don't narrow down Red John to a couple of names when he's the basis for your whole show unless there's alot more to this story than just knowing who he is. Another good spoiler for you: check out the actor list for the "red john list". The only two names on the list I heard are Reede Smith, and Gale Bertram. So two things a) either we already know Red John and there's no point having him on b) This is a trick used by other shows to hide a key character from the actor list. Either way if you needed confirmation Reede Smith and Bertram aren't RJ(and I didn't), this is one form of it to you. You don't just leak two names with one of them being RJ although they could very easily be connected with him in a variety of ways.

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So based off the past couple days here are what spoilers have suggested 1) Kirkland is the one killing people on this fake list 2) Kirkland and Reede Smith get into a huge scene 3) Tyger Tyger will be muttered several times this episode 4) I'll add my prediction that Kirkland ends up getting killed by RJ pretty soon based off this 5) The 6th episode suggests Jane finally has his way to get to Red John 6) By episode 9, the Red John arch will be over. Lots to digest, have fun!

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Interesting mention there @katempw do you have a link to that by any chance? I believe the episode titled "Red John" is episode 8 and that won't appear until the second half of November so I'm surprised they are even listing the actors for that episode this early. But yeah, I do agree they clearly are saving up that Malcolm McDowell cameo which means one or possibly both of these ideas a) Brett Stiles himself is Red John and in classic Mentalist fashion they try to lead the audience on with all these other suspects while not giving any direct suspicious links to the actual Red John until the end b) Stiles is very very involved in this process, very deep, and there's alot to be uncovered before revealing him and his role. In a way kind of like what's been done with Kirkland not making a cameo yet with the knowledge he's got his own very deep involved end game and motive that when revealed will change the dynamic of this story. But yes if any one knows when Malcolm McDowell's next appearance is do share.

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Also does anybody have a link by any chance to the CTV canadian promo for next week's episode? Those tend to be a bit juicier than the American versions. Thanks.

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Bruno has hyped up this episode for several weeks now and I am very intrigued by the return of Hightower. Always thought she needed to come back on the show but doubted it would happen, props to the producers and writers for making it happen. It's very possible she's on this fake list and is once again a target like she was in season 3 of Red John or that she has some inside kind of information, it's not just a coincidence she's coming back now. Also one of the previous posters is right about Kirkland, zero chance he's Red John he's clearly got his own end game here and the promo leaked the fact Homeland has been watching Jane for 9 years now. So this role of Homeland is a wildcard in this whole storyline, but I don't buy at all one of them is Red John themselves. I'm not even sure if any of them directly work with Red John, RJ said his friend was in the FBI and there's never been an allusion to Homeland which only came about last year. Seriously doubt something that just came about last year will be a major Red John ally but we shall see.

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I have yet to meet a single mentalist fan who is taking McAllister or Reede Smith seriously as a Red John suspect, maybe this is the show's attempt to try to pique our interest in them as potential suspects but it didn't work. Any time this show tries to push you on to believe something it's always misleading. That's not news by now. I do think McAllister would be an interesting guy to follow up on, he really has an odd vibe about him that's interesting to me, but based on this show's history I doubt we see much more of him. He's probably just a filler to give us something RJ related during a wedding based episode. I know Bruno has said there will be good reasons for alot of what we saw in the first episode that will make sense later. All we can really do right now is just hope he's right and hope there is some sense from this focus on McAllister. The fate of this show and our interests are in his hands. I must admit though, this episode next week is rather intriguing, Bruno has hyped it up as a big episode and I really like the return of Hightower who I always felt needed to come back on the show.

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So this was a solid episode, they did a good job with the wedding scene and did a good job waiting until close to the end of the episode to actually have the proposal to build some suspense. But the problem with all this is how the show has set things up with these first 8-10 episodes being all about Red John and "The Final Chapter" that well honestly I don't really care about a Grace-Wayne Rigsby wedding. It's a nice little thing but it's just not the right timing and it makes me a little nervous about the show's direction after the Red John storyline because if it's going to be alot of episodes like this with an attempt to create some emotional sentiment it'll be a solid show but it just won't capture my interest that much and I won't be invested in it on a week to week basis like now. Anyway, I have no idea what they were trying to do with McAllister, that's not necessairly a bad thing(at least yet) but none of it really made sense.

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@Entwife: Basically just a power message, a warning per se, stay in your place. I have the power to let you live, I control your life and everything you do and can manipulate you into anything I want. I can do anything I want to you at any time basically and she has to live with that. The show made a reference to the idea that he might have not had time to finish the acthe usually does(kill her) because he got rushed and had to leave but I seriously doubt that. Way too much a control and power freak to let that happen. Interesting thing was Lisbon acknowledged she got owned immeadiately and didn't try to fight it and go with the natural urge of revenge.