Thank you for at least understanding my point and acknowledging that the show does in fact retconn to its detriment at times in order to further a plot at that moment. It happens frequently. Cyrus, Mellie, Fitz, Olivia, individually and how they relate to each other.
I feel that some fans are unnecessarily rude. I pay attention to it all and interpret it as I see it. That is how consumption of entertainment works. Is it not? If we all watched something and had the exact same thoughts from it, what in bloody hell would we discuss? Why discuss at all. That's your interpretation of the Mellie and Olitz situation and that's fine. That's how you see it. I'm not dismissing your opinion or diminishing your perception of something by saying that you aren't paying attention to what's in front of you and that you're only seeing what you want to see. I guarantee you if that were really the case I'd never actually have constructive criticism for the show because I'd see it as perfect and flawless. I feel like some Hardcore shippers who are so consumed with the pairing they love that that they ignore other aspects of the show entirely if it doesn't fit to their ship are irritating to discuss the show with when they are incapable of attempting to be impartial when discussing aspects of the show but alas I still try to comment and be respectful. Meet me halfway next time.
Thanks. Although the typos when one types on a cell phone are the absolute worst. I know a lot of people can't stand Jake. Aside from the fact that I have always had a soft spot for Scott Foley, I've always liked the genuine friendship between Olivia and Jake. One of the things I truly missed most about season 1 was Olivia's friendship with Stephen. He was her best friend. He was the one who knew her best out of the gladiators. Their relationship felt equal, whereas their relationship with the others felt like the two of them looking after the kids. When he left, it was so obvious that Olivia didn't have any other person there that could be just her friend too. So they tried to make up for it with Harrison and Huck, but they couldn't so but so much with Huck because he's Huck, damaged, socially challenged, sociopathic tendencies and what not. He does guard dog well. He's observant. He calls her out when he needs too, and honestly I love their relationship too, but he's not as reliable for heart to hearts. Harrison stepped up as well, and did great from the being second in command from the office perspective but he didn't have the same intimacy with Olivia as Stephen. So enter Jake with this convuluted spy stuff. Whether all that surrounding him was really necessary is up for debate, but Jake, for me is the closest she's had to the friendship she has with Stephen because she won't let anyone in, and I won't even go into the issue she has with forming bonds with other females, because Abby and Quinn try from their end, but she just doesn't allow herself to be as open and vulnerable with them as she was with Stephen or even how she is with Jake. In some ways Olivia and Jake remind me of the complicated relationship between the Keens on The Blacklist. I think Jake has taken to Olivia as his family and his beacon regardless of if they're sleeping together or not. He's fixated and attached, and in some ways it's like how Huck relies on his connection to her to sustain him. The spy boys are seriously screwed up. I do think Jake gets the brunt of ire, because most of the time he comes across some normal and we'll adjusted compared to a Huck or a Charlie thst suddenly he's held to different standards. Which to me, isn't fair. But whatever. I love that Jake gives us the opportunity to see Olivia in a more vulnerable state, in a normal, not invincible, everyday woman state. Whether it's her dealing with her issues with Fitz or work or her father. I've enjoyed Olake because of their actual friendship. Twisted as it is. Whether they are together or not in another sense doesn't faze me either way, but until they do what I've wanted them to do, which is give her a nice bond with a female in which she gives as much as she gets (they're doing a little better on the Abby front), Jake is it. He's her bestie. Meredith Grey and Christina Yang twisted sisters dancing and drinking together bestie. That's why he always serves a purpose to me. The problem is writing around that particular purpose he serves without beating the B613 horse. He needs a job. Make him part of OPA now, or give him an outside job. Maybe make him a P.I who occasionally crosses her path in the field since he does that type of work anyway. Ironically Jake is the male version of a Mary Sue. They don't know what to do with him when he isn't serving a purpose for the female lead. It's kind of amusing seeing the gender role reversal but I like Jake. They could work something out for him, and maybe they're already addressing it, so who knows.
Huh. I'm still not sure about that but assuming you're right, fair enough. Although my annoyance with the retconning mellie and fitz marriage pre Olivia when its convenient for the current story still stands. Right now we're back to having to believe that his never considering giving the ring to Mellie because it didn't feel right was because of their not as solid love, which contradicts the head over heels in love with Mellie Fitz of the Mellie flashbacks, which contradicts with the it was an arranged sort of marriage that was a business deal and partnership which contradicts the Mellie and Fitz being actual friends. I don't quite have the time to rewatch the first season.
It's adorable because Toby (who was easily the most reluctant about Paige being on the team) is the biggest Waige shipper, and Paige is the biggest Quintis shipper. I love the brotherly dynamic between Toby and Walter. It's a different type of camaraderie than either guy has with Sylvester. They treat each other like equals...like the two oldest bros who look after the others, but have this respect and rivalry with one another. Sly is the baby of the group and they all treat h that way, but they manage to pull it off without it coming across condescending or suffocating or disrespectful and I like that. I'd love to see more of Walter and Happy's relationship. It's clear she typically keeps to herself and is more distant than the guys, but ever since it was mentioned that she was the one to snap walter out of a bender and he mentioned bits about her own backstory and how he found her, I've wanted to learn more about their bond. This show could totally due a flashback episode of how walter found them all. I'd love it. Toby and walter and the ongoing thing with Walters feelings for Paige was amusing as always. I liked the case. The Quintis stuff was in character and cute and I love how they've dealt with the aftermath of the kiss. I loved the Walter and Cabe scene at the end. Their father/son dynamic always gives me the feels and it reminded me of the roof top scene in the first or second episode. Loved the background on Sylvester. Absolutely loved it. I loved the bond he formed with the pilot. Right in the feels. And the heroic rescue was the best. My only complaint is Walter doing something impulsive, daredevil like, bordering on reckless etc and his life being in danger for the umpteenth time while everyone is all worried but he comes out of it in the end totally aloof to their concerns...that is too redundant. I mean, I love walter and all but it's every episode. It's hard not to roll my eyes when it happens. Heroic Walter. We get it. Maybe spread it around or something. It happened 3 times this episode alone, the helicopter bit, the rope swing, the saving the kid and almost getting engulfed in flames. There was the poisonous venom thing last time. The almost drowning rescuing the kid. The thing with the lady who drugged him and the whole escape from the plane thing, that other walter narrowly escapes sm explosion from a bomb detonating thing. The sacrificing himself to armed gunmen to save his friends.... Maybe if it weren't so blatant every time, if it were subtle it wouldn't seem so repetitive. Also, I miss Ralph. I'd also like to see him bond more with Sylvester, Toby, and Happy on a one in one basis. I like Paige well enough, but they have to really reach most of the time just to make her presence necessary. I just want her to have more of a purpose because they could easily leave her back at the garage to do office work. Outside of giving Sylvester moral support occasionally and making googly eyes at walter most of the time she is no really needed in the field. I hate that. They have to try really hard. It's already weak that she needs to "translate" when honestly toby the behaviorist could do most of that himself. He's the only one that is relatively socially normal. He's just a bit arrogant and a jackass to outsiders but nothing that requires him to need Paige to smooth things over. I just want them to figure out a way to make Paige's presence more vital to the team then it is. I mean now they love her and she's their family so cool, but she just sort of tags along gust to tag along. I love Waige cuteness, I just want Paige to stand as her own character. It's better than it used to be but still needs work. God I love this show though. I miss Leverage every single day and this show gives me the same slapstick unorthodox family feels.
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I really liked the Olitz flashbacks. I also don't get too invested in ships like some people tend to and I like things about both ships. I like both guys for different reasons, but I've always been frustrated with the retconning and inconsistency with how Fitz is written and even the Olitz relation. I loved what Fitz told her about the ring and keeping it regardless of it they were together or not...and it just reminded me of the fact that Fitz at his best can be Olivia's friend. I love them best when he's honest and longing after her and not possessive or its not coming across like she's just another mistress or strictly sexual but he genuinely cares about and loves her, which is what I loved about season 1 Olitz before they started retconning. Speaking of which the only thing I didn't like about Olitz and the flashbacks in this episode was the icky feeling I got when he said the ring was called sweet baby and I was reminded that he called Amanda Tanner that too. I'm going to choose to believe that his sex with Amanda tanner was him trying to get over Olivia and the fact that he called her that too was him thinking about Olivia at the time. Otherwise he called both mistresses something that refers to a most valued and cherished family heirloom that he couldn't share with his wife (who they worked hard to convince us that he truly did love pre Olivia pope during that Everything Comes Up Mellie" episode. ) it's like the show rewrites canon in order to make a character more likeable at the expense of canon and other characters, and while that works for Cyrus, it makes things to inconsistent and frustrating with Mellie, Olivia, and Fitz. It's little things like that that always irritates me. That aside, I enjoyed the Olitz moments and I haven't enjoyed their moments in some time. I liked Michael before. I loved what could come from his presence. I genuinely looked forward to the arranged marriage storyline. Then, they gave us this episode and I actually love him now. I'm team Protect Michael at all costs. Matthew del Negro, knocked it out of the park with this episode. It's funny, because I never doubted that Michael actually cares for Cyrus. He always comes across sweet and kind, even when Liz was trying to get him to betray Cyrus. So it was hard to watch everyone talk at him and around him but not to and with him and it was even harder this episode. Especially when we learned more about his past. He was so happy to make amends with his family only to discover they only showed up because they were being paid and thst dinner scene and the talk of reversion therapy and him falling to his knees in front of Cyrus. Beautiful sad scenes that crushed ne. His and Cyrus talking towards the end was just...ugh, loved that scene. Michael came out yo his fsmiky, put up with reversion therapy, became estranged from them, became a prostitute to put himself through school and still dreamed of falling in love and being happy. The idea that he went through all of that in order to be true yo himself and find happiness and love only to be in an arranged marriage with someone who isn't in love with him. I mean damn that kid is broken. But do is Cyrus and I actually think there is room for those two to actually love each other down the line. Michael seems to genuinely care for Cyrus and just wants to be happy and Cyrus softened enough and seems like he'll at least be protective of Michael. They both are being open and honest and that's probably better than most marriages start off. Certainly better than cyrus' previous marriages. I felt especially bad for his wife. Anyway Michael with baby Ella was precious and I'm actually rooting for them. They could both get something out of it. Cyrus is a monster but he's self aware and he has these moments when he's accepted that he is who he is but he feels bad that he is that way. Mellie and Liz are entertaining. Liz went from being this Alpha female with all the power to being powerless. I'm not as freaked out about the Jake stuff because it seems like deliberate misleading to play with the audience. If it is the fall of Jake however I'll agree with Miranda that it'll be cringe worthy because they don't have to destroy his character suddenly and out of the blue just to fit whatever narrative they want to go for in the moment. Again, it's like what they do with Mellie and Fitz all the time. Only other critique, is while I like Cyrus and they did a good job with his storyline this week, he's a hard character to have carry an entire episode without it being dull at times. It slowed the show down and while I didn't mind a lot of the flashback stuff and Cyrus backstory, I didn't feel like we really needed it. Certainly not for the entire episode. It was a nice episode and the things I enjoyed I really enjoyed but the rest I was indifferent to.
Yes he does. I don't blame him. He's currently unemployed and Fitz has him doing his bidding again. Pay up, I say.
Preach. I never saw the physical/sexual chemistry either. That includes the time they were pressed up against a window and Tommy saw them.
Yes. ALL of those. Honestly Tracy and her relationship with Jerry, and now with the other Peck are probably the only ones that haven't made me question what the writers were thinking. Oh and Noel and the Chief.
He's been keeping her under surveillance. I think he's more than aware of what she's been up to, and the little details about how she walks around the house with a gun etc are evidence of that. I think that's why he had a hint of a smirk when talking to Fitz. He can't have her under surveillance and not know what she's been doing. I think if he wasn't in the know of what all she's been up to he would fight harder to integrate himself into her life more, which he hasn't done and should tip her off but she isn't in the right mind set to notice. He's her unemployed friend with Benefits with a certain skillset who somewhat blames himself for her being taken under his nose. Jake definitely knows what's going on. But unlike Fitz he knows what it's like to deal with this type of trauma so he's giving her the illusion that he's giving her space while he's lurking in the shadows. He's oddly always been a friend first and foremost and their relationship was left in limbo with her choosing herself and him cool with it. Him watching from afar as she works through her issues possibly with other men, isn't a stretch to me. He knows she loves him. I mean if he's been cool with their undefined relationship and the fact that she's also in love with another man, he's pretty chill in that regards but he's a special kind of broken himself so no surprise. Unlike Fitz who loses his ish over her blinking at another dude even though he's married. But yeah, the scenes of Jake telling half the story of what's going on with Olivia while being quietly smug about it reminded me of when Fitz hired him to do it the first time and Jake didn't mention he started dating Olivia. She has PTSD. She's pushing everyone away. She's definitely going to push Jake away precisely because he's her closest confidant. It isn't supposed to be rational or make sense. Jake who is screwed up himself and not a professional therapist is doing what he can. He's keeping an eye on her from a distance. He's giving the illusion of space. He's letting her work it out however she can. Sex isn't destructive unless she allows it to be. I don't think she's allowing it to be destructive for her which is why sue gave that monologue about female agency and owning your own body and sexuality. As long as Olivia is being safe I don't think her having sex and letting go more than she ever has is her being self destructive. And I don't see where her reputation is an issue. Ideally it shouldn't be anyways. But still, she's a single unmarried woman having sex. Why should that destroy her reputation? Never mind the fact that she previously lost clients etc because of the president's mistress scandal. I mean she is a fixer, if an issue comes up, she can handle it. But again, I'd despise of they put her through that entire traumatic experience and then glossed over the effects it has on her so, whether you enjoy it or not, this is an avenue to explore the effects. Something is wrong with her mental state. That's the point of this all. But every single action of hers doesn't have to be self destructive. Her having a one night stand even if it's a byproduct of her PTSD, though not something she traditionally does, isn't instantly self destructive. And it certainly isn't something that Jake should be policing, or she should have to be ashamed of because of her job. Plus it's one guy so far.
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