Its Once Upon a Time. They've rewritten characters to fit the show. Peter Pan wasn't evil but on OUAT he was. Its called imagination.
Yes because what girl doesn't want to kiss a guy that's "Just not that into her." Poor Caroline to see Stefan be epicl-y in love with Elena but get an "Ah you are the only datable female left so I guess I'll go for it." She deserves so much better. She deserves what Klaus had for her.
I missed the part where they said you were stupid. I think they meant you can't make such a statement without knowing the previous shows.
I recall in a previous episode Scotty's girlfriend (wife?) mentioned to Allison that Scotty asked her to have a threesome with an au pair. Later in the episode it shows Noah and Helen and her parents discussion Whitney being an au pair for the couple. it never mentions her being an au pair again. Obviously Whitney was the au pair that Scotty wanted to have a threesome with. At this point I'm starting to feel for Cole. I could feel for Helen but something about how she sided w/ her parents to when it came to Whitney and the entire bullying situation pushes my opinion of her down a lot of pegs. Helen went so Wasp-ish on that one I wanted to scream so I'm not feeling any sympathy to Ms Eco "My light bulbs last 20 years" Helen. If Whitney had anything to do with Scotty's death she's going to throw all of her parents money at it to further show how in denial she is about being her father's daughter.
Here's to hoping Fitz dies and Mellie for some reason ends up as the President. That would be a serious upturn for the show. Mellie as President would reel me back in as a loyal watcher. I fast-forward the scenes with Fitz now and realized that I'm not missing any of the plot. He seriously does not make any of the major decisions that moves the story along. Other than arresting Jake he has not contributed much.
I've read comments you have made before and I must say that whenever I see the way you reply to people I doubt we even see the same universe. But to answer your question the same can be said about books. The way people perceive events and people is completely subjective. Backgrounds, history, past experiences all play a part in how someone interprets someone's actions and responses and even fictional stories. If you are going to rely on statements like you pointed out above, I recall Fitz made similar comments to Rowan to get under his skin. Maybe Fitz just wants Olivia so he can win. Maybe the idea that he would actually lose at someone drives him nuts. He certainly exhibits behavior that would suggest that Olivia is some kind of prize or property, otherwise he'd take into account her feelings and want her to be happy.
Considering that Julie Plec did say that Stefan and Elena are the epic love story of the show she could very well end it with those 2 back together. Since you are right and it will probably end with Season 7 Delena nuts being mad won't make much a difference and Julie can end the series how she wants. In the books Bonnie becomes Damon's true love so this very well could be one of the things the show takes from the books. Bamon shippers are not off when it comes to their relationship since the books have them together.
What was your favorite quote or scene from "The Last Supper?" I loved when Olivia told Jake to never speak about her standing in the sun with another man again. I felt like this was a key sign that she told Fitz there was hope just to get him more malleable to her agenda. Not to take away that there might not be any hope but I don't think she was focused on their relationship at that moment with Jake's life on the line and she would have told him anything. Jake and Fitz fighting over Olivia: Hot or not? It wasn't hot. I just palmed my forehead. I expected it from Fitz because he's all about showing other men that his nuts are the biggest at any cost. I expected better from Jake just because he seems to be more focused when there is a mission at hand. Also Fitz is very insecure since Olivia is now with Jake and Jake has always seemed more secure in his position. He rarely outwardly shows jealousy or insecurity the same as Fitz. Is Andrew Nichols the man after Olivia or is he just Liz North's lover? I think as his role progresses we will see little things that tie past things about him into an over all bigger picture. I can recall when he first came around he said "He'd only had one love of his life." When I found out about his past with Mellie all I could think was "Why in the world would he be so in love with her over that?" Even that was all part of a greater plan. They probably pulled him into it because of his grudge against Fitzgerald. I was so disheartened by this. As much as we love to hate Mellie and then love to root for her I think everyone was looking for a reprieve from her Fitz anger. And this guy could have been the thing to ease some of the crap she's been dealing with. She's not the only morally corrupt person on this show (Yes I'm talking about you, Ms Pope) and I think she deserves a break. What's Cyrus' next move now that he knows Michael didn't spill his secrets? I'm sure Michael will be turned and that is how the destruction of Fitz's administration will be thwarted. Aside from using him as a double agent I don't see much future for him and Cyrus. He'll probably get killed along the way. Cyrus needs someone of his ilk that can give just as good as he gets and has a political career with just as much to lose as he does. Poor James was just not cut out to play the political game. How did Rowan know what they were planning? Who the heck knows? Rowan has a reach so far and wide it could be anyone. Up until the end of season 3 I had no idea Tom was on his payroll. I wouldn't be surprised if Fitz's war room isn't bugged. I doubt its Jake but if it is I'd love to see how they would backtrack and do the flashbacks for that. I think that's just Olitz fans that want Jake to go away.
The show as is now could not survive without Fitz but if he were to be written out of the story I would not mind.
You would be wrong about viewers not rooting for Jake. I was wrong about everyone rooting for Fitz untiI stumbled upon discussions outside of tvfanatic. The comment section onJezebel is full of Fitz hate. I've seen entire articles dedicated to Fitz being a horrible character. And sometimes its just comments about what a man-child he is and there is no mention of Jake. However I found it interesting when I read Shonda's take on Fitz and Olivia's relationship. "I don't know that there are any comparisons to "Grey's" that are valid. "Grey's" was a romantic comedy wrapped in a medical drama. This show has nothing to do with that. I think it's fascinating that people are rooting for the couple to be together, and I love it, but we started off this show with a man who is the President of the United States and sleeping with a woman even though he's married to someone else. We didn't start out a show in which we said, "These two people are meant to be together and happily ever after, and that's going to be the end of our happy little movie." Nobody ever said we were singing a happy tune here. So I think it's a different animal." "But do you think people are conditioned — not just by your previous shows, but by television in general — to expect that that's the way things work? Because they're the couple in the beginning, and there's such chemistry between the actors, then this is what's meant to be and what we'll expect until proven otherwise, over and over again? Shonda Rhimes: Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to pretend I haven't. We've actively worked, because we're in Liv's perspective, to make you be as in love with this couple as you can possibly be, because you're with Olivia. And, yes, I do think people are conditioned for that. But I think that Edison says it best, which is that "Love is not supposed to hurt." And Olivia clearly does not know that yet. This is not your cute, sweet, adorable relationship. But I think it is a complex, interesting, very adult one, that is based in something that is not necessarily wholesome or right." Many people want to root for these 2 people because they feel like that is the ultimate endgame but in reality the show is about Olivia and anyone in her orbit is a central part of the story. That does include Fitz and it does include Jake. I do think that Jake was brought in because so many people could not root for Fitzgerald and Shonda needed a character opposite of Fitz. I never rooted for them. Hell I thought there was going to be a David/Olivia hook up due to the white hat/savior syndrome and all. It wasn't that he was married it was the way he treated his wife and his overall attitude that she should just disappear. She may make Fitz unhappy but what reasonable person expected her to just go to the East wing, find a superficial cause to champion, and shut up about it? Well Fitz did of course. Jake was no where in site and this was pre-season 3. Its one thing to have a mistress, but he also slept around with an intern. And why? Because Olivia left him. It's always someone else's fault. Again its one thing to sleep around on your wife with women but to add to it you treat her as if she is not a person even worthy of time nor attention. I've seen unhappy people in marriages and even then they manage to muster up some kind of decency to at least be understanding of the spouse that they are cheating on. Thats just one aspect of my dislike of his character.
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