Queenbeethegreat

If you buy that the partners would be willing to sell Joan, and that Joan would feel the same way, then this is an all-time great episode of the series. But if you don't, then it's Weiner and company making the characters act against their natures to fit the theme. " And to me, after much debate, what happened was the latter because I don't buy the premise. TA. I don't buy it either. That's exactly what they did in my opinion: making the characters act against their natures to fit the theme. Also I agree with what he said about MM being more overt about the themes than previous years. I didn't really know what kind of bothered me this season but now I know. (Also the lack of Betty and too much Megan)

Queenbeethegreat

... Yes, he then made her believe that everyone voted for her to do it but normally she has so much self-respect and has such a self-confidence that she wouldn't have fallen for it and that she would have stormed into their offices and asked them if they were in their right minds. Especially bc she even told her mum that they could get the fridge fixed and that she should just call some handyman for it. It's not like she is some penniless old spinster who needed to prostitute herself. Also her ex-husband needs to pay alimony for her and their child anyway.

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That's exactly my issue though. I don't believe a single one of those men would just rely on Pete's word. Especially since they know him and his sleazy ways... The pretext for Joan accepting deal was too flimsy. Plus Joan, Roger, Bert and Lane ALL had to act out of character, imo, to achieve the ends results. Exactly. They wanted to fit in the sl and didn't really care how they'd achieve it. Certainly at least Roger would have approached her. Especially when he thought that she was ok with this. I mean, she turned his money down and he would never have let her do this but rather just give her the money without discussion. It all was handled kind of weird and tbh if I was Joan i wouldn't be able to still work there. She was embarrassed when Pete approached her and told him she didn't want any of the others to know about it. Yes, he then made her believe that everyone voted for her to do it but normally she has so much self-respect and has such a self-confidence that she wouldn't have fallen for it and that she would have stormed into their offices and asked them if they were in their right minds. Especially bc she even told her mum that they could get the fridge fixed and that she should just call some handyman for it. It's not like she is some penniless old spinster who needed to prostitute herself. Also her ex-husband needs to pay alimony for her and their child anyway.

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... When someone finds out, they are out quicker than they can say "Bye", especially in the country of double standards the US of A, where everything on the surface has to look pure & innocent - this would have been quite the scandal. Also, I don't doubt the men would have slept with a woman to get an account - but they would probably have done it out of free will and bc they wanted to and to get the account as a nice plus but not bc they thought it had been voted on and they had been manipulated into doing it.nt in the first place).

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@Emma, but none of this makes it even better. None of them actively went to Joan and specifically asked her if she was ok with this. They all know Pete and they all know Joan as well. Why do they just take his word and don't ask Joan directly what she thinks about this. It didn't really bother them and they didn't really care. They were indifferent, yes, but no one said anything. The only one who did was Don. He said NO and stormed out. Later he went to Joan to tell her that she didn't have to do it. I mean, not even Roger even seemed to be really concerned or surprised - this only comment was "I'm not paying for this." As for your "dates" and sex deals do take place in business comment, well, that might well be, but this isn't Russia or the Congo and SDCP want to be taken seriously in the advertising world (that's why they wanted an automobile account in the first place). When someone finds out, they are out quicker than they can say "Bye", especially in the country of double standards the US of A, where everything on the surface has to look pure & innocent - this would have been quite the scandal. Also, I don't doubt the men would have slept with a woman to get an account - but they would probably have done it out of free will and bc they wanted to and to get the account as a nice plus but not bc they thought it had been voted on and they had been manipulated into doing it.

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@Betty, I know, right? It's so not Betty-like. She always had herself under control and she wouldn't have let herself go like this. Other shows managed pregnant actresses in another way. But my guess is that they did it to show that she isn't really happy with the things turned out and that she is still in love with Don, whom she can't have. Still weird though. IMO Betty would have maintained herself as beautiful as ever to show Don what he lost but well, I'm totally with you, I hope the fat-suit comes off next season. The show is just not the same with Betty. Yes, she could be annoying sometimes, especially when she was schooling the children for nothing and when she was so cruel to Sally but overall she's been my favourite character. I'm really sad that we don't get to see her more often these days :(

Queenbeethegreat

They are both pretty selfish and mean at times but maybe at some point they could reunite and make everything right. I think at "best" they will have an affair and Henry and/or Megan find out and maybe they get together again after that or they'll not end up together and Henry & Megan leave them. I don't think that they will ever be able to make everything right - like you said, it's Mad Men and it's just not a rainbow&sunshine show. I miss Betty though, I hope she'll get more screentime again after she gave birth.

Queenbeethegreat

I would love an affair with Betty! Although I would feel sorry for Henry, he seems to really love and respect Betty. True. I like Henry, but to be fair, Betty doesn't really seem to love him back. He gave her attention when Don didn't and she loved that. And she loved the idea of being a Politician's wife but really she still loves Don. I think her marriage with Henry is based on revenge on Don which got out of hand and now they are divorced and both remarried. She thought Don would pine over her and want for her to come back to him but now that he's got Megan she knows it's not gonna happen and she's very unhappy about that. He seems happy with the idea of this marriage but not with the actual thing. Yeah, he wants this to work and I think he wants to fix all the things he did wrong in his marriage to Betty but mostly he seems irritated or whiny and tbh I'm not buying the whole thing. He seemed to get married to her bc she got along great with the kids and he was lonely and hurt and Megan just fell in love with the idea of being married to the "great" Don Draper.

Queenbeethegreat

Megan's death would cause the greatest consequences - hit by a Jaguar, knifed in the back by a rival actor, kidnapped by satanists or cast in a movie in Hollywood and introduced to Charles Manson ... LOL I like the way you think ;D Although, seriously, @Betty Draper, I don't think that anyone would die. It wouldn't have that huge effect on anyone like in other shows where the relationships between the characters are much stronger. But, things are going to well for Don & megan. I always expect something to happen there, Don going back to his usual ways and sleeping with other women (I would prefer it to be Betty ;)) or anything else. I can't bear their lovey-doveyness, mostly bc I strongly dislike Megan.

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And since Peggy left because she wasn't treated well by Don, it would surprise me if she jumped back to business with him so soon. The way he throw money at her was disrespectful and mean. You're right. I just thought that maybe if he realized what he had with her he would make her an offer she wouldn't be able to resist. But then again, if he really is leaving and opening his own company he won't have that much money or resources in general. I think I agree with you, there is going to be a big change but maybe not them all leaving. I don't think Pete is dying though. I mean, who would it affect really? Only his wife and kids. I don't think anyone would be too sad about that and I can't imagine any big changes at the firm that would come with it.

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