I think the kiss is a interesting and even real path to go but I also think Clarke is also struggling to know how much there are of real feelings and how much is circumstances. Is the attraction deep or is it just there. They've also been together a lot and under a lot of stress so I think the progression was natural. Could Clarke potentially have to use it, maybe. But I think it's more of a lets see how things go and I need time. Also, I think you Bellamy is also there too, so some confusion as to where that relationship falls might also be apart of the hesitation. As for Octavia....I like her working towards being a grounder and I like that she's voicing that opposition but I'll admit I found her a bit annoying too, even though I did agree with some of it. That being said, Indra gave my favorite scene talking to her about it at the end. "That's War." Octavia has a lot of growing to do and I think she's going to learn the hard way in the coming battle about choices and understand a bit more that hard area. She has the potential to be a badass though I also think it will be a little sad to see her eventually take it on fully as she'll be the last to truly loose the innocence of thinking 'right and wrong' in war. Even if I hated the choice Clarke made too. I am curious if Clarke tells Bellamy about it and his reaction if he finds out. He's helped balance her out, (and she, him)even when they disagreed but I wonder if this will create a division or be the final solution to getting Clarke truly on level as a leader with a code that she won't break on regardless of the situation.
I swear to god.. The outpouring of disgust over the reveal ofthe relationship between Flint and Thomas is just utterly disappointing.. Thatwas a fantastic episode.. this season has been fantastic.. TheFlint/Thomas/Miranda flashbacks have been fantastic.. I admit I was under theimpression Flint killed Thomas after what Billy Bones unearthed in season 1..Guess I missed something.. But for all these people who can sit here and act asif "the whole episode is ruined" or "that just ended it forme." I mean.. seriously? you're that sensitive? it appalls you that much?you let great writing and a great season go down the drain because yourfavorite man Captain Flint loved a man one time? It's just sad how closedminded our population still is in 2015.. It's just that this season has been sogood.. Do I think that Flint loving Thomas is the best secret to be reveled?not at all.. Did I find it surprising? of course.. I always thought he lovedMiranda.. But this explains his relationship with her in Nassau so, so well..He's been cold with her..ever since season 1.. like he resents her but stillfeels obligated to her.. that resentment stemming from the guilt he feels forleaving behind a man he loved.. it makes perfect sense.. and I'm veryinterested to see the difference in Flint from here on out.. He will survivethe fight with Vane.. I'm almost thinking they'll end up working together toget the gold.. very excited to see how this season plays out into season 3..And to see the comment section filled with people who only want to talk abouthow the "gay thing ruined everything for them." .. is just sad andpathetic.
Ya, it appalls me that much. The series started out with much potential and real suspense. But the character development has been very slow, the characters without redeeming qualities, and after a full season the life experiences and inner motivations are still a matter of conjecture...other than 4 of the 7 major characters are gay. Max is a hard core lesbian who resents Eleanor and seduces Anne for no apparent reason other than she can; Anne falls for Max for no apparent reason other than she gives good head; Elanore has identity issues (she's not a boy) and uncertain sexuality; Flint a stone faced gay full of rage, and a near psychopath; and the mysterious Billy is waiting to come out of the closet. At this point, John Silver and Rackam are at least characters with simple (and clear) non-sexual motivations, and Charles Vane looks like a hetro saint compared to the rest of this cast. The only redemption could be if Vane kills all the LGBT characters, and the rainbow pirates love fest is relegated to costume party's in bath houses.
What is ailing Flint with the whole Thomas/Miranda thing makes more sense than ever now.. and Max can do anything she wants to anyone she wants at any time.. that's why she's indispensable to whomever can contract her services.. It's not the shows fault that you're so uncomfortable with LGBT characters.. it's your own dumb fault. Along with about 70% of the population in this country who are too caught up in their own beliefs that even seeing something different makes them hate everything involved with it. It's really pretty childish.. Flint and Miranda wouldn't work.. because he would still have his love.. And I don't know why you're acting like so many characters are gay on the show.. Eleanor and Max.. Max and Anne.. Flint and Thomas in the flashbacks.. that's it.. get over it.
Actually it is the show's fault that they decided to turn the storyline into the angst of lesbian-gay identity with a smattering of feminist daddy issues. And by making 4 of the 7 main characters 'gay' love issues the core story, those of us who are straight either don't relate OR are turned off. And if the ratings fall - they brought on themselves.
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he's not a gay character.. he had 1 love affair with 1 man a long time ago.. Nothing about what Flint is doing now has anything to do with being gay.. which is why I get confused by the fact that people will let 1 reveal of a characters past completely define that character in the present.. so what he loved Thomas.. he's still the most feared Pirate Captain around Nassau.. the reveal just let you into Flint's mind a little.. what was troubling him so much about his situation with Barlow.. it wasn't that he killed Thomas.. it was that he loved him and wanted a future with him on the Island.. but instead he's now Flint with Barlow living there.. it's not that big of a deal.. and people that make it a big deal.. and say it's going to cause the ratings to plummet.. I just think that's very funny.. especially given how well written the show has been this season.
Tell me I'm wrong when I say this.. You could never envision yourself really caring or rooting for a male character that you know is gay or every had a relationship with a man.. that's the only explanation behind what you just said.. basically that you really liked Flint.. he was your main man.. he was your favorite character on the show.. you really wanted him to succeed in his endeavors.. until you found out he loved Thomas.. now you feel as if you've been tricked.. because you would have never been so invested in him if you knew this from the start? I mean that is so ridiculous.. it's common prejudice though..so It's not like I fault you for thinking that way.. many people do.. I just tend to think it's pretty comical.
Thankfully the amount of people who think this way is going down day by day.. The fact that you're an adult.. living in 2015.. and you're still allowing something as insignificant as a characters past sexual orientation have this insurmountable effect on how you view an entire TV Show.. especially one like "Black Sails" which has seen it's season 2 exceed it's first season by leaps and bounds.. but yet you're sitting here all bitter.. certain that the ratings will go down.. because there are some gay or bi characters on the show.. Too many by your count.. i don't know how you could ever root for Captain Flint again.. i dont' know how you could ever even view him as an equal to your manhood.. it's funny to me.. The ratings are not going down.. it was just renewed for a 3rd season.. the writing is better than ever..l the storytelling is better than ever.. The reveal.. while it wouldn't be my first choice.. brought to light some important details to Flint's past.. which helps you make more sense of Flint's current choices sense arriving to Nassau with Ms. Barlow.. This season has been very good.. this show offers a lot to it's viewer.. So the fact that you cannot get over any type of homosexuality on screen is not the shows fault.. it's your own.. and the sooner you realize this.. the better you'll be.
And people who feel like they've been duped by Flint revealing that he once loved a man.. I mean come on.. it really bothers you that much? you can't see past it at all? everything that you've come to love or hate about Flint and his actions as Captain.. Or about what he was doing in the Navy before being coming to Nassau.. all that was just a big joke.. because he loved a man once? I mean that's your own insecurities not allowing you to like anything associated with homosexuality.. Flint is still the same guy.. it's only you and the rest of the people who are unable to handle anything abnormal to them that view Flint as a completely different character because you saw him kiss a guy however many years ago it was.
I'm pretty sure most of the people who disagree with this move for the character of Flint don't have a problem with "any type of homosexuality on screen". They see it so often now it has become main stream, and is being written into almost every show on tv. The problem is most people other than the LGBT fan base are getting tired of being hit over the head with it because of the Hollywood agenda. It was unnecessary in this case. The character of Flint, in other sources, has never been a gay character, so why reinvent it? For many who started watching this show, and invested interest in the character of flint, feel almost as if they have been duped.
I believe you also miss my point. You know nothing about me. I live in the most liberal area of this country and have family members and friends who are gay, yet you seem to have a preconceived notion that I have all these insecurities about gay material on TV and my stance on gay rights in general. You would be wrong. Should I assume then about you, that you are in fact gay, and you would prefer that every character on TV should follow an LGBT lifestyle and there be no heterosexuals? I don't believe the writers of this show gave this move to make Flint's character more deep and ever so complex for the sake of the story, I believe they did it in fact to stir up controversy and get the viral attention that it is receiving now. They do have an agenda to push this issue by having 4 of the 7 central characters bi-sexual. This message has been sent through so many other shows and venues, WE GET IT! For me It's not about gay material on TV, it's about THIS SERIES in particular.. I guess hollywood should reinvent all the characters i use to read about or watch in film and TV. Indiana Jones' secret affair with Dr. Brody, Clark Kent's innocent kiss with Jimmy Oleson, Captain Kirk and Scotty, James Bond and Blofeld, etc.
And I'm straight.. married with 2 kids.. so don't lump yourself into that group.. because there's plenty of straight people who don't let sexual orientation completely derail them from enjoying anything else.. those love arcs are far from the core story.. and anyone who believes Flint's past love affair with Thomas is the main plot line on "Black Sails" is crazy.. it plays a part in allowing the viewer access to why Flint acts the way he does.. why he has made certain decisions.. and why his past has brought so much pain to his current situation on Nassau with Barlow.. nothing more.. and far from the core story.. Max and Eleanor.. core story? Max and Anne? core story? seriously? you gotta get past these insecurities man.
This family sure hosts a lot of parties. They just had the IPO Investor one last week. And, now, the "White Party?" What the heck is that? At first, I thought it might be an engagement party for Anika. Then, when I saw the trombones, I thought "New Orleans" & that it might be connected to Fat Tuesday. I give up. On DALLAS, they had the annual Oilman's Ball every year. EMPIRE is having a party every week! "You're so beautiful......" (Can't get that song out of my head!"
A record label and business that big, it's pretty normal to have huge parties pretty often. They are usually targeted at different events
The end scene between Damon and Bonnie was gold. Knowing how much the actors enjoy working together seemed to shine through their eyes too. I'm not the biggest Bonnie fan but she has brought out qualities that Elena can't.
*qualities in Damon.
I have to be honest, as much as I love Harvey and Donna and their relationship as we've seen it thus far, I hate the idea of them as a couple. For me it takes what they have - one of the most interesting, fun and unique relationships on TV right now - and turns it totally cliché. Why does no one is TV land get that you can love someone very much without being IN LOVE with them?I don't know what will happen, and it could end up fine, but I'm just a bit disappointed by the concept. Actually, my prediction is that Norma dies in the next episode, Louis is upset, Donna helps him while simultaneously in a funk with Harvey because of how they left things and Donna ends up going to work for Louis by episode's end. (It will be temporary I'm sure, but still.) Anyway, just a guess.
I have assumed Moriarity would resurface as the blind partner in Andrew's robotic factory and his death upon "the completion of his work" in England fits this imagined storyline. Given the second appeaance of Andrew's father, I believe he may have a returning role as one of her minions. I was pleased to see Det. Bell developed as a personality and a future confidant.
Tony's been a bachelor for a long time. The only serious relationship he's had during the length of this show was with Jeanne, and, even though that was all part of an undercover assignment, I'm still not convinced that he wasn't in love with her. I don't see regression to frat boy status in his future; I see someone who is afraid to commit. Look at the example his father set for him, after all. But now that he's getting used to the idea of being with one woman, I think he'll come around eventually.
The little we saw of Tony when he was actually engaged to Wendy was in the flashback episode, and we saw a relaxed happy Tony who was excited to get married and have children. Since we found out in the ep Wendy returned that she called off the wedding the night before, it is impossible that he had never met her parents, unless they were deceased or they were not in Wendy's life at all for some reason.
You forgot, he was engaged to Wendy in Baltimore. But the show forgot too. There's no way I believe Tony never met the parents of his fiancee.
I agree even when he was engaged to Wendy we saw this
How about a daughter like Lisbon's niece Annie? Remember "Where in the World is Carmine O'Brien?" That was the only episode she was in, as brother Tommy's daughter. Jane was teaching her to pickpocket and she loved it and caught on quickly (what a great scene that was!) and she loved guns and wanted to be like Lisbon. I always hoped they would bring her back into the series but no such luck.
This is the best way to describe so far this season. This season is called IDENTITY."While this season hasn’t quite reached the level of last year, I’ve still enjoyed it so far. But, after watching this episode, I think I’m starting to like Season 3 a lot more because I finally feel like all the ‘random’ plot beats from throughout the year are actually coming together. Warning: The following is my interpretation of the season thus far, which you may agree or disagree with.From the get-go, Season 3 clearly established that this year’s theme was identity. Namely, is he Oliver Queen or the Arrow? The not-so-subtle lines like “A man cannot live under two names” tells us he can only be one of them, but who? On one hand, he’d like to be Oliver with friends, family, and loved ones. But, at the same time, he has to be the Arrow, the savior of the city who can never rest or settle down lest he allow the bad guys to prevail. However, through the season, they developed that Oliver may not be able to be either in the end. Take the Oliver Queen persona. He loses his company to Ray Palmer (essentially Oliver’s direct foil of billionaire-turned-superhero due to the loss of a loved one). He also loses his love interest, once again, to Ray Palmer. From ‘The Return,’ we even see that he’s slowly losing his sister due to the darkness within her (as said by Slade). He may still have Roy in his corner to a certain extent, but Roy has been showing signs of wanting to stand on his own two feet. Honestly, the only one firmly in Oliver’s corner is Dig, solidifying the brotherly bond by asking him to be the best man. But, lose this connection, Oliver Queen would essentially be gone. On the Arrow persona front, however, it’s also not all sunshine and rainbows. Yes, the Arrow is needed and has served the city well. When the Arrow goes missing during the midseason break, all his work is quickly undone. However, the team was able to eventually retake the Glades with very little (if any) assistance from the Arrow, showing the city may survive without him. Plus, by losing to Ra’s, the Arrow now doubts his ability to win, a trait necessary to survive as said by Dig. Added to the fact that we now have Iro…ATOM to protect Starling City, the Arrow may not be as needed anymore. Therefore, after taking away both Oliver and the Arrow, there’s no identity left. Except, now Oliver can choose a new identity. He can choose to be Ra’s heir. In a way, he can choose to be the Arrow permanently but still remain relevant. It’s a choice that questions his identity at the exact moment when all of his identities are at their most vulnerable (he would only be more vulnerable if he were to lose Dig, which I hope never happens). As for why Ra’s would give Oliver the ‘job offer,’ I think this make sense. After all, this is the same guy that threatened to level Starling to the ground one person at a time if Sara’s killer was not delivered, and he didn’t even like Sara. He did it because of justice.Here, we have Oliver, a man who survived longer in a fight with him than most and who somehow survived plummeting to his death while killing a bunch of his men while escaping (remember, that was the cover story Maseo fed Ra’s), brave the wrath of the entire League of Assassins to save a mass murderer responsible for ruining Oliver’s life in many ways. Why is Oliver doing it? Because, to Oliver, that is justice. And, as the source material goes, Ra’s respects people who stick so adherently to their code even if it differs from his own (like a certain detective).I could delve into how this episode helps place pretty much every plot thread into proper perspective now (from the crossover to the flashbacks to somehow even Cupid), but this would pretty much turn into a novella in length at that point. Don’t get me wrong, the writing this season has been slightly weaker (while Oliver’s reason to go to Nanda Parbat fits narratively, it didn’t feel that logical), but what I’ve always loved most of TV/movies is the thematic aspects. And, with this episode finally providing the links across the season, this episode is probably one of favorites for that if nothing else
Wow this was really well thought out. I think you are better at this than I am and I salute you.
I especially loved all the little easter-eggs on Claire's computer:1. Phil's iMessage to Claire talks about a "present" that Jolene left the closet. Jolene was the Llama Phil bought.2. Claire's Yahoo page has an ad for Croctopus IV and article about it.3. Another news article on Yahoo is about "local politician Duane Bailey" who got his dog in the westminster dog-show.4. Another article about Bath-Butlers - something from season 55. Another article about Charlie Bingham (Mitchell's old boss) TerraNova CEO who may resign to spend time with his smoking hot wife.6. Claire had an e-mail from her mother about vitamin pills that a hot yoga teacher recommended.7. Claire's fake profile actually has a message - "Told mom what I did last weekend. So cool to share things with your parent". Subtle.8. Hailey is still facebook friends with Zack Barbie.9. Claire's muddy family pic on desktop from season 1. 10. Claire's albums actually have a folder titles Wedding/Pregnancy.11. Alex's "Revised New Updated Version Revamp" essay actually had the words "I know you are not reading this, mom". Were there any more?
I forgot about organization porn - apparently Mitch is a member of the same community. Claire almost got away with the whole "didn't you get it? I mailed it days ago" con, until Mitch said he can't wait to check the date on the invoice. She ditched the whole thing then and there was even an e-mail from the website about items in her checkout cart. Zack is the rich guy the whole family cyber-stalked in order to sell him the house Claire and Cam were working on.
I guess the organization porn and the fact that Clarie bought Mitch's present in 2 minutes on express and said it was sent in the mail 2 days ago. Who's Zach Barbie?
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