when does this poll close?
Shay's death/True blood series finale/Ezra twist gets my vote.
Golfingdocp, Winter, Jojobobo, Sojourner, Reality Adictt, and Carissa, so many of you have commented recently and I wanted to add my two cents to the pool before things get too busy at work this week. Golfingdocp, I thought the information that Ray provided you was very interesting. One thing that concerned me was his belief that these arrangements were not discovered unless the client confessed to their partner/spouse. I would say that he's been lucky. In my world, I have seen what suspicious men and women will do when they suspect their partner is having an affair. It's not really difficult to follow someone (since they think that their affair has not been discovered and therefore are not expecting someone to be following them). Either the suspicious person or a private investigator can do it and confirm that the person is having an affair. I've dealt with a number of private investigators on cases (a lot of them are retired police) and they are competent and can usually call friends still on the job for information off of a database. They can find you and they can determine your identification from your car's license. What do you think happens when the man or woman catches their partner with another person. When women are the suspicious party, I have actually witnessed a wife striking the husband's girlfriend/mistress. In the cases of a suspicious man, I've dealt with cases where the man beat up the wife's boyfriend/lover. I've also seen cases where the man murdered both the wife and the lover. Most people do not react like Neil. It only takes one person like Mallory's husband and your world can completely change. Another unintended but potential consequence of an affair. Ray may think he's been practicing safe sex but his occupation has potentially dangerous hazards. Winter, I agree with Golfingdocp that Neil may not be put off by Grace bringing new sexual practices into the marriage bedroom. Neil is benefiting from Grace's sexual awakening. He told her as much while watching her model her new clothes for him. Neil told her that he liked this new part of her. He also looked very happy as the recipient of the lap dance from Grace. I also do not believe that the fact that Grace may be able to explore sexual fantasies with Simon that she may not be able to explore with Neil is a major factor in Grace choosing Simon over Neil. Before I married, I had a number of lovers; I wasn't a hedonist like Simon but I wasn't a prude. In truth, I had some lovers who were adventurous and there are some things that I have explored with past lovers that I would not explore with my wife. It is not a factor for me because truth be told, sex with THE PERSON that I truly love has been more satisfying that any wild sex that I have had in the past with other women. But I also acknowledge that this very situation may be the impetus for some people to live a dual life, having warm and intimate love making with your partner/spouse at home and having wild passionate sex with your affair partner. I couldn't do it but I know others who have. Jojobobo, I think we have to accept that Simon has strong feelings for Grace and that has caused him to break the professional code that Ray discussed with Golfingdocp. After all, chasing Grace to her house was as unprofessional as you can get. But, I don't think Simon loves Grace. I don't think Simon knows what love is. In his discussion with Adriana in ep.9, all Simon can allude to is that he has come to realize that they is something more to life than sleeping with a different woman each night and he intends to find out what it is. He never mentions love. He never tells Grace that he loves her when he confronts her at her house. We all have seen the cliche scene on tv when someone will ask a close relative "how do you know when you're in love?" and the response is always "You'll know". It's a cliche but its true. I don't think Simon knows what love is. I don't think he's capable of it. I think he sees the world as merely things for him to possess if they bring him pleasure. He's the perfect example of a spoiled rich kid who grew up with disdain for the rest of the world. After all, Simon told Neil sarcastically that he wanted to quit his escorting and get a 9-5 job. Simon only wants Grace because he thinks she's the answer to the question "what else is there?" not because he loves her. Golfingdocp, I think and hope that season 2 will help explore important scenes where outcomes or important issues were hidden. For example, the surveillance system and its recording of the Simon chasing Grace into the house will have to be an important issue in the future. Why else have it installed if it's not important. How about the scene in episode 6 when Grace opens up the package and finds Neil's app and she opens it up and hears it say "Tell me what it is that you need". Why have that scene if it doesn't come into play in the future. In fact why have the app created other than the possibility that it will be used in the future to help Neil and Grace realize that they need and that what they need is each other. I also want to leave you with this interesting point. You mentioned that you don't think Neil knows who Grace is or has become. I think Neil would tell you that the Grace that is currently living in his house is not the Grace that he married and the same goes for him. He told the Zen Master that they wouldn't be able to recognize each other at this point from who they were 18 years before. But isn't that the same for most of us. We changed because our married lives changed us. And yes, we probably hid parts of our personality from our partners/spouses (that we felt they might not like or understand). Isn't that pretty common?
Just to clarify. I never said Grace and Simon didn't have feelings or like each other. I only said they don't love one another Plus I said that Simon is going after Grace as a competition. He never pursued Grace until Neil pissed him off. He was ready to give up until Adrianne stocked the fire. Your right he doesn't know what he wants but it isn't Grace.
Bushi101The major STD of our time (HIV) is remarkably transmitted more easily from male to female than vice versa. Only when the women is menstruating or via anal sex (without condom) is the transmission similar. Therefore, if Simon is clean or Ray is clean of HIV, the transmission rate approaches zero. The other STD's other than chlamydia, are easily detected and treated. Not much worry just nuisance there. My principal concerns about the series are similar to yours. Many things have been introduced yet never acted upon (such as the surveillance video). Grace (I know your soft spot) has been in a passionate affair with Simon. Spending an entire afternoon with an escort, is just not for an easy lay. They have spent time exchanging intimate thought and secrets. Simon may not be able to define love, but he clearly has developed a unique feeling for Grace. It well may be love, but he reserves a fear of vocalizing that emotion. It may well change as he pursues Grace further. Grace has strong feelings for Simon, is it love, probably not. However, many relationships are started because of passionate attraction initially.How the writers will separate Grace from Neil after episode 10 is quite the question. Grace seems firmly in love with Neil. However, she loves the Neil of her reality, not the actual Neil. I suspect that knowledge of Neil's escapades together with the prodding of Stephanie and Adriana will cause Grace to reevaluate the viability of her marriage. I suspect that Stephanie has not been a great fan of Neil's, we know the reverse is true. Adriana wants Grace's marriage over. Clearly she would like Neil to herself, but that is probably not in the cards. Neil's service as an escort may be more realistic, especially if Grace decides to take leave. It is difficult to imagine Grace hooking up with Simon, but sexual attraction and the sense of adventure may have a great attraction. Grace was attracted to Simon when he was just an escort (true she didn't like sharing him), his change to straight suitor may make him much more desirable. It will be interesting to see how Simon is presented in Season 2. If he is the suave heir to a fortune, Grace may view him differently. She obviously found it easy to talk to him in the past, so their attraction may have some footing other than sexual. Grace was not put off by Simon's age, but I presume they never socialized openly. Opening the relationship to public view may present a different challenge, because Anika will be involved. We know she has a secret about Simon. If Grace has a public relationship with Simon, Anika will know that her mother had been cheating on her father with Simon. That will be a very difficult situation for Grace to discuss with Anika.Bushi101, I live a charmed life. My wife has always been more sexually aggressive and adventurous in our marriage. I am a lucky guy, who is aware that sometimes he has more than he can handle. My wife has been insistent upon date nights and alone time, since the birth of our first child. She has made the romance aspects of our relationship a prime issue. I try very hard to keep up, and it is actually fun to devise new ways to keep the courting aspects of our relationship fresh. My daughters (the ever present clones) get a kick out of seeing flowers, chocolates, small gifts as surprises for their mother. What they don't see are the love notes which we regularly leave for one another. That is our secret to keeping it new.
I think the key word on discovering a spouse is having an affair is ‘suspicious’. I think for mostaffairs, the betrayed spouse never thinks that their spouse would have an affair and therefore miss the cues that are obvious in hindsight. Plus there are apps that keep phone calls from showing up on phone bills and ones that allowed text messages to be viewed only for a few seconds. So, checking a spouses computer or phone is not as effective as it used to be.
why wasn't the Christmas show played the day before or on the 25th and why does Julie think she has the right to not put certain ornaments on the tree does she want the Hortons to roll in their graves.
There was an unplanned preemption a while back which pushed all episodes back a day. When it was written, the show had no idea of whatever real life disaster or presidential speech would cause the show not to air.
Personally, I loved the Kiriakis Christmas this year. Victor giving Maggie that gorgeous ornament was so touching, and Daniel and Brady giving Victor his grandmother's bible had me in tears. I always love the Horton ornament hanging, but the Kiriakis Christmas gave the real spirit of Christmas this year.
Agreed. The Kiriakis Christmas stole the show this year. Victor and Maggie were perfect. It even helped redeem Brady.
Winter,As to your last question, whether "Ray" would ever get emotionally entangled with a client like Simon, I already have the answer. The answer is he doesn't know. That was one of the first questions I asked him, and he couldn't say it was an impossibility. He said that it had not happened yet. Ray has said that he likes many of his clients as people, but his girlfriends have always been outside the escorting world because he doesn't like to share his real emotions. Ray clearly differentiates love from sex. As to whether Jablonski's staff know about escorting, I find it interesting that they too use the confidentiality issue over and over. I therefore have to assume that Ray is correct when he assumes that Simon would not have sex with Grace as a potential client until she knows about the financial arrangement. Not to preclude that possibility however, because Simon does say to Grace that it was never about the money with her.So here again everything is confused.Winter, Neil has accepted Graces' sexual forays with Simon. I imagine sexual growth would be accepted by Neil. Remember that Neil wall bangs Grace in the bath room. She tells him that she misses that. May be rough sex (wall banging) is what Grace liked originally about her courtship, and the more intimate, gentler sex of the marital bed (especially after children), is not particularly satisfying. Whether Grace will accept the same has yet to be answered. I imagine that once she learns of Neil's betrayals, she will have ample opportunity to show her feelings.Interestingly, I watched episode 9 again, and upon re-viewing something Simon says becomes more striking. He says clearly that Grace kept on coming back after Neil's discovery of the affair. So we don't really know how often Grace visited him. Neil used the phrase many weeks when he described to the app. buyers how long he had worked on the concept. We know that he started after the discovery of the affair. So the time period to when Simon tells Grace about Neil's knowledge is about the same. I imagine that we are talking about months and not three weeks from the time of the time of the wall banging. Simon ran to Grace's worksite to tell her of his feelings, not because he hadn't seen her, but because his emotions necessitated immediate relief. Adriana may just have told him about Neil's escorting activities, and he was following her advice about going after what he wants. Remember that it looked like Adriana was just arriving when she spied the event in her driveway. Finally, Grace started at the psychologist 3 weeks prior to Simon telling Grace about Neil's knowledge. So the time lines are really puzzling. I wonder if the writers are conscious about that. Also the 18 year and 20 year puzzle. In episode 10, Stephanie states that Grace has been with Neil for 20 years. In episode 9 Neil says 20 years to Mateo's parents. It is Grace who uses the 18 year phrase, to the guy she interviews with, and I believe also to Adriana. That is important because Anika is 16 -17 years of age, and given the gestation period of a human, that places her conception at roughly 18 years. So if Grace and Neil had been married 20 years Grace could have gone on her Fulbright prior to conception of Anika. Unless she was still in school when she married Neil. I am not sure about the timing of Fulbright scholarships, but I believe they are awarded to people relatively close to the time of graduation. In addition, in episode 10 Neil clearly says that he wanted to go to Italy with her the first time (Fulbright), and Grace's old professor indicated that she gave up her plan upon marriage. So Neil had never prevented her from going. The not pursuing the Fulbright was Grace's doing and probably not pregnancy related. I think this issue sort of gives us an insight in to Grace's mind. It is possible that Grace is unable to take full responsibility for her previous decision, and requires fixing some blame on extraneous circumstances or other people. Finally, Ray is a nice guy but a pain in the a** as a patient. He is head strong and does not believe in taking things easy or in a subdued fashion. Everything is open throttle all the time.
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In this version of Santa, the premise is that he gathers all the goodwill of mankind throughout the year. And then, on Christmas Eve, delivers this gift back to the world - as hope. What a wonderful interpretation of the magic of Santa Claus. Belief systems aside, I loved this episode. What is wrong with giving hope back to our world? With all the dark, horrible things that happen each day; with news shows that only get ratings by airing the most controversial and horrendous stories; we can all use some hope. This episode made me laugh, it made me cry, it allowed me to believe in Santa Claus again. Thank you, Christian Kane for the reminder of family from Jacob Stone; Lindy Booth for the joy from Cassandra when learning Santa was real; John Kim for the cheeky Ezekial Jones discovering he has a good side, even temporarily; Bruce Campbell for creating a very believable Santa; John Larraquette, for all the little clues from Jenkins about what the future may hold.
I don't like the direction POI has taken. Why do the writers have to ruin a great show with a great premise.
Terriers is the only show mentioned that I've watched, but I agree it was cancelled to soon.
Paul Norita, the gay professional baseball pitcher on Days of our Lives. Paul is hiding in the closet in the very visible world of sports. He flirts with women to cover his sexuality and has been benched with an injury. He may come out regardless the status of his injury and career. It'll be interesting to see if real life baseball players (a huge soap fan base) come out because of Paul and Days of our Lives.
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