Doug we are invested in total strangers when we give to a charity to help them, In helpless animals when we try to leave food for them and find them a home when we volunteer for the soup chicken on a holiday, when Pauley gives a homeless person some socks, it's not hard to have compassion, unless the world has hardened us, to the point of caring for nothing but ourselves. It matters not if the audience cared though if human they should, the characters did, and did their best to save a mans life. The audience should at least feed off of the compassion of the familiar characters to them that made this a heart warming thanksgiving ep.
It's got to be a relative thing, and I object to the notion that people "should" feel invested or have compassion. There are lots of people struggling with things like cancer. Certainly most of us have had a relative or two succumb to it. It's bad enough when it's someone close to you. To try and encompass the whole parade of people who have it is impossible. Compassion in that "well that's sad" is one thing. Empathy to the point of "I feel for you, let's get you some help" only works if you're invested in the person. We did not know this guy. We never got a chance to know him, ergo it's going to be nigh impossible for most people to relate to him. As Easton said in a comment above, why not give us a chance to get to know him? Spread the story over a few episodes or something. Introducing us to him, telling us "oh by the way he's got leukemia and his siblings - except for one - are dead" provokes nothing except "okay, think I've got the gist of the story….but what else?" I don't know. Maybe I'm dead inside. ;)
We are invested in the characters,it's a fictional show after all but we do root for them, their success or failure we do feel in a way, we discuss it afterward,, if we didn't this conversation wouldn't be happening. It was a holiday win for the team, something uplifting to carry them over the next few days, imagine if they'd not been successful how each of them would have felt. We certainly project a little of our feelings onto these characters and the downer of losing when you're trying to do something wonderful to save a life, even a strangers can really bring you down. you're not dead inside, just cynical. I say invested because we hope better for those we help, just throwing a few bucks in the tin and walking away isn't necessarily compassion either, other forces such as guilt have an effect.
Comment modified at November 25, 2015 14:00
Well that's a relief! : )
I think a good example of what you're talking about can be seen in one of the NOLA episodes this season: "Broken Hearted." I really enjoyed that ep b/c of the character of Max Pinzon, a teen prodigy working for the CIA (I think). He, too, was dying, and the team was working to save his life (find the heart he needed for a transplant). I felt this NOLA storyline was more compelling b/c of the way it was executed. While he only had 1 ep, the actor who played Pinzon delivered a stunning performance and one of the main characters bonded with him in such a way that we really felt for his situation. We got some good scenes w/Pinzon and the other characters that we just didn't have time for last on NCIS. I loved the Bishop stuff, but it definitely made the case take a back seat. Another ep that comes to mind is "Dead Man Walking" from Season 4 of NCIS. The guy in that was dying too and really connected to Ziva - it made his struggle and ultimate end very poignant. Ultimately, I don't think last night's NCIS had time to develop the Quinn family characters - perhaps if Bishop's family were visiting her in DC and Bishop connected w/ the dying you man it would've been more effective. However, I'm OK with how it was done and settling for the "caper" being the B plot - this ep was written to unfold more about the character of Bishop, and I think they did a great job w/that, so I can forgive all else.
I remember the movie, and didn't think it was good enough to one day spawn a TV show.
First off, I don't think I would want my boss tapping my mom. Way too AWKWARD!! So I for one, hope it doesn't go there.Plus the logistics would make that relationship a difficult one. I also assumed she was still married when she was talking about Bishop's dad being on his way home. It also looks like Bishop is going to take her time to think about what to about her marriage and not rush off to a divorce lawyer. Maybe it's just me, but after that kind of betrayal and no kids to think about, I would be outta there in a heartbeat, no question. Life's too short to live it with a cheater. This being a heartwarming Thanksgiving episode, there was never any doubt in my mind the prisoner would get all warm and fuzzy and give up his bone marrow without his parole deal. The Codfather was pretty darn funny. Loved Toby and Tony, that was a great pairing. I think Zoe is on her way out.
Comment modified at November 25, 2015 07:01
Bishops dad went to pick up her grandfather. That's where he was driving home from. Also, from your lips to Gods ear about Zoe. I never liked that relationship no matter what history she's supposed to have with Tony. Absolutely no chemistry between the characters which amazes me because Michael Weatherly pretty much could have chemistry with a tree stump.
I never really cared for the relationship with Zoe either.
Fornell needs to be around more. Loved his interactions with Tony. And here's to this being the end of the Bishop marriage ordeal, it won't be, but it should. Tony's boat would be called the "Codfather." Mine? Wine and Whores. Classy.
When has this show ever been a shoot em up action show? The reviewer must have this show confused with NCIS LA.
This was another great "Bishop" episode. She was a strong, confident and competent woman and NCIS agent. And still classy: She didn't badmouth Jake to her family; in fact, she defended her marriage, if not actually defending his actions. She very politely stated that it was her marriage and her problem, so would her mother and brother kindly step off and let her deal with it. And she managed to take care of business at the same time. I like Bishop more and more as time goes by. Also, inspired casting of the Bionic Woman as Bishop's mother. Lindsay Wagner still looks great, doesn't she?
She sure does!
Yes. I certainly think that Lindsay Wagner looks beautiful!
Hmmmm. They are building up to something. Said something is possibly giving Gibbs a replacement family.
I have no idea who Harry Van Gorkum is, so I guess I am in the minority. However, I have been a ginormous fan of Lindsay Wagner's since her days as The Bionic Woman, and I would recognize her anywhere. To me, she has aged gracefully, and looks beautiful. I loved seeing her on NCIS, and it is a shame that Barbara Bishop is married because I would love to see her and Gibbs as a couple. Jimmy's character does need to grow up, I agree with you, Doug. It's always wonderful to see Fornell, and I loved that he asked Tony to join him for Thanksgiving. I think if Ellie does decide to give Jake another chance, he is going to have to agree to counseling, but trust is extremely hard to rebuild after someone has been unfaithful. All in all, I enjoyed this Thanksgiving episode.
Comment modified at November 25, 2015 09:00
I had no idea who he was either..............
The guy who was Bishop's brother usually plays some white collar criminal so it was nice to see him branching out.
Make that three of us, at least as far as his name goes. I never knew his name but have seen him in *countless* other shows, usually playing the bad guy.
Like Doug said , everything has a meaning in a script. So when Nick said " he told me to keep the phone and he doesn't call" , i thought tracker. The same goes for the special door , Nick can't open it "from his side" but what about the other side ? I don't think it will be a treasure chamber of any sort at first . It will potentially be a point of entry . I don't believe Trubel was brainwashed . Being a grimm and being trubel , i can't see her siding with a wesen against Nick just because she was kept in a cell and beaten . I realized that i didn't write about Renard's meeting ! Must be because i am so not interested... For me Renard is Grimm's pickle , he's in the sandwich but he isn't that memorable .
Bishop centric episode means whining is soon to follow. This was a nice Thanksgiving themed episode it was like Saving Private Ryan. As I mentioned its a nice change in which the case of the week doesn't always involve the marine or navy officer being murdered to bring in the team's assistance, NCIS is to not only solve crimes regarding the navy but to provide service and aid to the servicemen and women. After what happened last week it seemed reasonable for Bishop to take a step back and go with her family back home, which was more wholesome compared to say Gibbs' way of coping with issues. Gibbs was really on point in his support of Bishop Gibbs never had the comfort of family to fall back on during his struggles and for him to tell her to talk about issues shows how much he has changed. Old Gibbs would't be open about feelings and personal problems he'd internalize them until he took it out on the next bad guy to piss him off. The scene on the porch which showed his vulnerability and how he's been talking about his problems is evident of that change.Great to see Fornell was back again with hair besides Tony he's one of the few characters who can do humour on point and the scene between the both of them 'Toby' inviting Tony for a punishment dinner they should be partnered more often. Nice throwback to long time viewers with the reference of Ducky's annual Thanksgiving party and that Abby is a soup kitchen volunteer just a few tidbits about the characters that have been consistent. Jimmy was back I'm gonna to assume his absence is due to his new little girl. It seems these days the autopsy gremlin comes only to be target of the 'Gibbs is behind you' gimmick oh well better him than Tony. A very heart warming episode can't wait to see the christmas one.
© 2015 TV Fanatic
TV Fanatic Plus
© 2015 TV Fanatic
Food Innovation Group: Bon Appetit and Epicurious