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I don't know, Douglas, is there only two possible reasons why Jake would surrender access to NCIS? Only the argument with Bishop or the budding friendship with Gibbs? Could there be something going on higher up in NSA? It seems very risky for him to do it without approval. He is an NSA attorney, I believe--"Any repercussions...I'll take the hit." He's handing it over and then getting approval? At the time I watched, my reaction was that was way too easy. In fact, Vance's reaction seems to indicate that he thought it went too easy. There's something else going on. Also, it seemed kind of unprofessional for Bishop to play the "wife card" to get information from Jake. If he divulged information to her that he was supposed to keep guarded, that could get him in serious trouble. If he leaked some confidential information to NCIS, he would be the first place they would look for the leak. It just bothered me that she would pressure him like that. However, I've also felt that Jake presents himself as a bit too innocent. for an NSA attorney. He seems too nice, almost naive. I'm suspicious that there is a lot more to him than we know. I don't think that I trust him This may be the best episode all season. We'll see.
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Absolutely there can be a third reason. I agree with you that he caved quickly. The only two thoughts were: he's desperate to save his marriage. Then: wait. No. He values his friendship with Gibbs and takes his opinion seriously. On another note, that comment from Gibbs "your job sucks!" seemed like a non sequitur. Where do you take a statement like that? "Uh, no it doesn't. I happen to like it a lot, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it." Did he mean "your protocol sucks"?
How about Jake really wanted to help but he knew he couldn't give the information to his wife. I mean really? He just happened to have what they needed on him? In that case, his job and it's protocols really do suck.Sort of off topic, but I'm watching last weeks Criminal Minds and Hitch just pressured an NSA agent into giving him classified information so they could catch a killer.
My last job sucked. I was there 15 years, and I would still be there, had I not been forced to retire during the Great Recession. There are many valid reasons for staying in a dreadful job.
Something is definitely not right with Jake. Dido pointed out that Jake had the drive with him. So, he was ready to hand it over before the conversation even began. His protest was for show. They both should have picked up on that and the wheels in their heads should be turning, Is he just protecting Bishop or is something more nefarious going on? As far as the "Your job sucks" line I think that Gibbs is saying that holding back information that could solve a murder is pretty sad. But then, Gibbs also plays people. That is what makes him effective. I still don't trust Jake. Either he is a bit inept at deception or he's up to something. Also, as Dido said, if he has access to sensitive information and is not afraid of losing his job, then he is up high in NSA. He's not just an attorney. He could have just sent the drive to Gibbs anonymously.
I believe there was more to it than Jake wanting to please someone. Mimi Rogers is supposed to be playing a CIA officer in the last two episodes so perhaps CIA told NSA to play nice with NCIS. Wow, that's alphabet soup.
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It means Jake has authority to release the info, meaning, he is very very high ranking. But even if you have authority, you don't casually carry around a flash drive with the information on it, and you don't just hand it to someone. That's what MTAC is for. In the past the show has been so much better about these topics. This season it's a mess.No analyst, not even a green one, would EVER demand classified information from their spouse. Leaking information is a crime. It doesn't matter if it's your spouse. The law prohibits that. That scene just made me angry. It's basic.
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I wasn't even thinking about the drive and that he already had it with him. Now, taking that into consideration, I definitely don't trust Jake. It looks like Jake just played Gibbs and Vance, however Gibbs and Vance should be too smart to get played that way. Something is not right here.
Isn't it remotely possible that he just happened to have the drive on him because he actually wanted to help? That he was trying to protect his wife?
isn't it just for dramatic affect? Does everything have to be perfect? What is a play, but an audience willing to suspend disbelief to enjoy a fictional event played out on stage. Impact not accuracy is just as important. This isn't a body on a dissection table being analyzed . It's a work of fiction.
It doesn't have to be perfect. This show used to use consultants for this exact stuff and they were FAR better. Within the universe of the show, they are making a train wreck of it. This is basic stuff, not niggly details.
no the basics really don't matter, because that stuff is bureaucratic and extremely irritating to the average fan, the why can't they because of the the bureaucracy rules and secrecy. Further it's probably better that they don't disclose the real way that the secrets have to be disseminated because it doesn't portray the real and therefore protects it. Maybe those consultants are now forced to do this because of who is in charge today, and what's happening today in the real world.
But they HAVE been doing it before now. It wasn't totally realistic, but it was a heck of a lot better than this. Within the rules that have been established FOR THE SHOW over all these years, they are making a huge mess of it now.
Oh gee what rules do we know were or are established and how do we know they haven't been changed? We aren't privy to the machinations of the US gov are we? Perhaps like the whiny liaison office which cringed over an episode that didn't bring shame to the military our civilian overlords are exerting the same undo influence, and they are more dangerous than an liaison office.
Can we comment on the show without getting into a [insert vulgar word] contest with other commenters? Thank you.
You obviously aren't interested, you just want to defend the show, as if they are incapable of doing any wrong. The rules for sharing classified are available to the public and they haven't changed.
I don't care if its right or wrong its fiction and entertainment. This isn't a defense of the show it doesn't need defending but if it implies that you are attacking the show.... Speaks volumes. Look what happened with Twitter this AM with info being accessed from the NASDAQ web site that shouldn't have been there. And who might have profited by selling or shorting the stock, act of negligence? corporate espionage? criminal hack? The dissemination of classified data happens. And the human condition is one of curiosity, and flaw, gee we can't portray that in a relationship can we, we've just got to use the Gov rule book.
Emily told me about the NCIS consultant they have on the show, so clearly they're aware of what they're doing. The bottom line though is exactly as leia suggested: viewers aren't interested in the nuts and bolts of military protocol. They just aren't. And this isn't a crime procedural show like Criminal Minds (which by the way, is a show that isn't exactly on target either, there being no real BAU jet in real life). Fans are more interested in the action and drama than they are the intricacies of military structure and protocol. For example, MTAC is there purely as a device to achieve a sense of importance. The fact is those characters aren't at ALL following protocol when it comes to that room. And people generally don't care - except for those who've been privy to that environment in real life. It's all about the entertainment, not the accuracy. FWIW, I find myself irritated by various computer-related aspects of the show, only because I've worked a number of years (and have had schooling) in that arena. It bugs me when I see stuff that just isn't possible being portrayed on screen. I'll always be bugged by that, but acknowledge that the writers aren't as interested in accuracy as they are creating a scene that appeals to viewers within a limited time frame. Abby's abilities to glean information from minute bits of forensic evidence - all in a very very short time - strikes me as miraculous and magical. It's not real. The characters, the stories and the viewers are all just here to have fun.
"It's all about the entertainment, not the accuracy."Absolutely. People expecting exact replications of what happens at NCIS or any other military base are being too picky and failing to realize that with any fictional story there is leeway to tweak situations, characters, etc.
I agree with the computer part .For example when you have physical access to a computer , a firewall isn't a obstacle anymore.I know it's about semantic but still. For the agencies calling dibs over a computer , it's frightening especially when in the end the guy is pretty much a victim and not a bad guy.
I spent 12 years working as a forensic scientist and the level of expertise required, given the very special rule that expert working under in the judicial system, namely that of being permitted to give opinion based evidence rather than only evidence of facts, makes Abby unrealistic but for storytelling purposes she works as it's easier to have 1 person represent the larger role.
Exactly. I have enough Real Life in my real life. I want a little drama, a little mystery, a little suspense, a little wit, a little humor, a little family .. all tied up neatly and competently at the end of the hour with occasional multi-ep arcs. I'm in it for benign escapism with characters who feel like family and I find myself much more bothered when my characters are OOC than when suspension of disbelief is called upon to get through the red-tape.
If you are going to use rules as the basis for your argument then how can you have ever accepted a Mossad SPY being allowed the level of access given Ziva to US military assets.
I'm with you on Bishop pressuring her husband to give up information, all because she's the wife of a NSA attorney. She shouldn't have acted like a petulant child cause Jake stood his ground and wouldn't give her the info. But then he turns around and gives the info up to Gibbs, willing to take the fall if things go wrong??? And Gibbs telling Jake his job sucks???? Really???
Bishop's attitude towards her husband sucks. As a former NSA agent herself, it makes it that much worse. Gibbs and Jake's friendship is in a word, stupid. Jake is SO going to die. It's pretty easy to see. Which means Bishop is gonna be all depressed next season. No thanks, TPTB. But hey, at least we got to see Dorney, that was cool, at least.
My feeling is it's going to be Dorni that dies :(
Agree. It has been widely told that McGee and Dorney go to Egypt next week and you see the flag covered coffin coming out of a plane and the very obvious shape of McGee walking out after it. I am pretty certain it is going to be Dorney which has me VERY upset because I LOVE him ...
Thank you. I was so unimpressed with her. No analyst would ever do that.
well then we'll all be happy to na na na na na if its not Jake and I doubt that it is Jake. He's not been on long enough to be a fan favorite. guess you're not married and have to deal with two people working high stress and compartmented jobs. That you had access once and no longer have it would be fustrating. Venting is part of marriage, I know from experience, sometimes you go out to the garage to do it solo ,sometimes its a tough car ride. IT happens
They never had access to each other's work, even while they were both at NSA, unless they were working the same cases. Period. The show used to be good about that kind of thing.
It was said last yr that Jake and Ellie did share some pillow talk when they both worked at NSA, as I said the Gov powers may not want accuracy, we do have a lack of transparency lately. SO TO BLAME THE SHOW WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE FACTS....
That's very illegal. You are saying maybe the government wants people to believe NSA employees share state secrets with their spouses? No. The producers used to be careful. This is appallingly bad and it's obvious they consulted with no one.
get over this consultant thing, even McGees grandma and her husband the admiral shared pillow talk (season 8) it was said, what you believe is real for the show may not be. I doubt that people in married relationships are that tight lipped about everything unless they think it could bring harm to their spouse. Sadly that lack of talking doesn't put any one in less of harms way. That's a fact. IF ITS so offensive, don't watch. But going off about this secret sharing is just such a waste. You can't; prove that its doesn't happen in real life. Short of bugging peoples bedrooms now that's something I wouldn't put past the GOV, it cannot be proved to be wrong. Further Jake didn't share with Ellie he shared with Vance and Gibbs and said he'd take the hit for it of needed. Maybe its whats at stake rather than turf.
I know many married people who work in intel, and yes they are all that tight lipped. It's a way of life. True I can't prove it, but they at very least would never let on to anyone they were sharing, because it's extremely illegal. The fact that she dogged him to share was illegal. It makes both of them look dishonorable.
if you're not in bed with them...... Our government is full of examples of leaking info, maybe that's the problem. And Ellie dogged him in private
Comment modified at April 29, 2015 12:00
Great episode. I did not like that Bishop pressured Jake into giving information. But I think he gave up the information because he felt is was the right thing to do, not to please Bishop or Gibbs. He probably checked with his superiors before handing it over. Gibbs being so near an explotion is scary. Remember in season 3 when he was blown up, the doctors made it clear he couldn't handle that kind of injuries again. But if they kill off Gibbs, the show is over. He is the one character the show can't be without.My guess is that they kill Jake. He sacrifieses himself for Bishop and Gibbs.
You didn't mind that Bishop acted like a petulant child towards Jake about not giving up the info that NCIS needed access to?
I watch the show to be entertained, not to learn about how the us goverment works. That's what the news is for. Every lawenforcment show use creative license to get the story going. In real life for instance, an autopsy takes longer and a tox-screen usually takes weeks to process. Agents work on several cases at any given time and they usually take longer than a day or two to be solved. But that would make a boring tv-show. So no, I don't see the problem you have with Bishop. In any marriage there will be tension and sometimes things are said that shouldn't be said.The scene with Jake and Bishop I saw it as Bishop changing from an analyst to an agent and was frustrated that Jake couldn't give her the information. She is passionate about her work and she felt NSA stood in her way. So she played "the wife card". I don't see it as unprofessinal, just as eager to do her job and frustrated that red-tape got in the way.How many times hasn't McGee hacked thigs he really shouldn't have? But as I said, this is a drama, not a real life story.
Agree! The negativity is depressing.
He either has the authority to release it, or he committed a federal crime. Guess we'll see. Bishop showed herself to be unfit as an analyst.
She is an agent now. Not an analyst. That was the point. She has changed. Sees things different.
She still has the responsibility, for the rest of her life, to treat classified according to federal law. So does Jake. No analyst would EVER demand access from their spouse. No analyst would divulge information to their spouse. That's permanent. They're under oath for life. Her dogging him for the info isn't a marital issue, it's a reportable offense.
This is a tv show. Not real life. In real life Gibbs would've been fired ages ago for killing Pedro Hernadez. Ziva would never been on the team and McGee would be fired for hacking. But I get it, you hate Bishop and will never like her.
The show, in the past, did a MUCH better job with these issues. I get you think the show can do no wrong.
It's extremely unprofessional, extremely illegal, and unbecoming to anyone who has ever handled intel. I totally understand that this particular issue is close to home for me and that's why it bothers me, particularly when the show used to do it so much better.
There's a very easy solution for that: simply avoid the thing that upsets you so much. I stopped watching House, because, as a health care provider, I objected to how the practice of medicine was characterized in every episode. So, instead of bitching about it week after week after week after week after week, I simply stopped watching. Problem solved.
I said I did mind but I understand why.
Ugh, Bishop showed herself to be unfit as everything in your eyes since she's there. Whatever she does or will do in the future, she's not Ziva so you don't like her. We get it.
Well, what bothered me last night was that Ellie was using her status as a wife of a NSA attorney to get him to give her info that he knew he couldn't give out. Then he basically gave it to Gibbs, but sacrificed his job in the process. So he's willing to be the fall guy if things go wrong and nobody cares about ethics here. But hey, it's just a TV show and not real life.
Brilliant episode. Loved the Elias/Dominic and Machine/Samaritan parallels, and Root snapping Martine's neck was one of the most satisfying moments in the show. A review: http://polarbearstv.com/2015/0...
A lot of great stuff went down in this packed episode, and it was a fantastic setup for the finale!
Why did Mills leave the show
Because the writers wanted to introduce new characters.
I was hooked with this episode, a first with The Flash, for me. loved Harrison-Evil-Wells...how great is the actor?? I am happy that Iris finally put meta-human situations all together. Now she deserves to know who the Flash is. and she does!
Wait a minute.....if Gibbs ain't the one who dies (despite the fact that we have every reason to believe that the teaser segment of Lost Boys will consist of Demoman standing over him and telling him that they'll havetae glue HIM back together in hell), who does?
I watch the show and there are just too many anti-returned characters. And the head policeman just has way too much power. I can see this show going the way of giving stalking way too mcuh airtime
When Root snapped that b**tch I jumped out of my chair and applauded. I hated her so much. Cant wait for the finale.
Root definitely got the revenge she wanted!
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