DelavenNJ
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Delavennj

My feeling is if you are so impressionable then you should be watching a different show.  There are a lot of things that have happened on this show that are unacceptable in real life. If you watch this and decide drug use or sleeping with a teacher are okay then you have bigger problems.  Maybe there needs to be more parental guidance. 

I was not blaming Blair at all (she is my absolute favorite character) I was simply giving her credit.  Blair is anything but stupid.  I think she walked in there looking for something and getting something else completely different.  I personally think she was unaware of how bad the situation had gotten for Chuck.  I also think that we are going to see this addressed in the next episode.  Her reaction to it and Chuck's remorse.

As far as Josh Safran goes I feel he doesn't have to defend it.  They wrote it and they know the intent of it.  If the execution of the script didn't convey what they wanted than that's another issue.  I don't believe in censorship of any kind and feel strongly that if you don't like it don't watch.

I'm not saying Chuck is a good guy or perfect.  I would never date a guy like him in real life but it does bring drama to the show which is what "Gossip Girl" is all about.

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Dairshipper

its something that should be taken sitting down.  

^ shouldn't

sorry about that.

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Independence?
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My feeling is if you are so impressionable then you should be watching a different show.  There are a lot of things that have happened on this show that are unacceptable in real life. If you watch this and decide drug use or sleeping with a teacher are okay then you have bigger problems.  Maybe there needs to be more parental guidance. 

 

Yes but you are speaking from a "should of" standpoint. Should ofs mean nothing in the scheme of things. We must focus on the present effect they do have on these viewers and not what they should have on viewers. Excusing Chuck because of "how bad his situation has gotten" is something that has been used countless times before to excuse his behavior. Chuck is not a good person. All of his actions aren't qualities we should look for in a character. What he did was expressive of abuse behavior BECAUSE of all of the things he has done before. This is only another example adding onto the list of offenses he's commuted without any repercussion. If this were a one time thing, perhaps it could be seen as a slip of the fist, but not with Chuck. I'm sure even you can see that.

The fact that bringing Jack back is supposed to give him a dose of his own medicine is pathetic as well. By bringing Jack back we as the audience are going to assume he is worse off then Chuck and because of this, we will be coaxed into feeling bad for Chuck by saying "even he doesn't deserve that". Threads are already saying that taking Chuck away is wrong and mean and "not cool" of nate. They are so quick to forget the countless things Chuck has done in order to garner all of this bad karma. Something along the line of an actual lessoned learned would be for him to lose Blair or lose his empire. I'm tired of repercussions for Chuck being given in the form of attacks against him by other people. That victimizes him, it doesn't show what he did was wrong. 

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My feeling is if you are so impressionable then you should be watching a different show.

I am sorry, I don't mean to offend you by any means with the following. But to say this about a TEEN SHOW is stupid. There are 12 year old girls watching and they probably shouldn't that's true. But it's not a drama show for adults. So ofc young girls are watching it and get the wrong impressions about love and relationships. And that is dangerous. They shouldn't portray this like they did and come with the even more dangerous "excuse" or justification that it wasn't abuse. It is. And if you had read the definitions of how abuse is defined you wouldn't just take the matter so lightheartedly like you do. 

With all due respect but blaming the victim for what happens to her is not acceptable.

Abuse doesn't just start with a broken rip or nose. It can start with little things which get bigger over time and even so big that girls DIE. And that all bc they believe that they brought it on themselves, that they deserve to be treated that way. bc they don't know better. GG supports this, glosses over the fact that what they not only showed in the last episode but during the entire relationship of Chuck & Blair that it consists of abusive elements. The make young viewers believe that THIS is love, even EPIC love and only done bc out of passion.

This is so wrong I can't even really express how disgusted I am by all of that.

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Eli
Yes we see them having sex, threesomes, orgies, underage drinking, and doing drugs, but these things are the context within which the show revolves.  The viewer is meant to take these things witha grain of salt.  Nonetheless, these things fall under the black and white category of good or bad

 

Exactly. And that's why, in my opinion at least, you should understand that viewers are watching the current storyline as bad, too. Remember that the story hasn't finished yet. Maybe he'll end up at rehab, overdosed or dead. I don't remember it was such a stir when the underage drinking, or more recently when Serena was drugged and almost die. And that was really crude and not appropiate to watch for a 15-year-old. But we knew it was bad. I think now people know it's bad too. And I have the feeling (and hope) that he will pay for his actions. He is the villain, after all. In the pilot he tried to rape a fourteen-year-old, come on.

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Cece's Revenge
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Bass-slut

Well I think I have expressed my idea about this enough times.

For me Safran is supporting an abusive behaviour with that interview. 

This is a show ok, we all do get that. But there are really young girls who fancy Chuck Bass and would love to have a relationship with him. 

IMO this message is poison to their minds after last night's scene. I have read a lot of comments on how hot it was, how "normal" is to be agressive and a lot of nonsense. 

So I think this is not overreaction or ship war. It is just common sense. 

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Dairshipper

There are a lot of things that have happened on this show that are unacceptable in real life. If you watch this and decide drug use or sleeping with a teacher are okay then you have bigger problems.  Maybe there needs to be more parental guidance. 

 

You see, I just explained it in my past post.  The things you mentioned?  Its the context of the show.  Drugs, drinks, sex and blackmail.  You decide to watch GG taking all of these into consideration from the very beginning. You signed up to watch all of that, taking everything with a grain of salt because these things easily fall under 

But last ep's episode?  Realistically speaking, not everyone recognizes that last episode's abuse falls under the category of "things you really shouldn't be doing."  Because to be frank, even those in abusive relationships IRL dont even recognize that their relationships are abusive.  You can call it what you want, that Chuck was broken, on a downward spiral, etc. But with respect to his relationship with Blair, nothing justifies the fact that he forced himself on Blair, intimidated her, embarassed her, and "unintentionally" hurt her.  

I'm sorry but we're going to have to agree to disagree.  Just like everyone here, I don't see the logic in your argument.  You can call it what you want, but victim blaming is victim blaming.  You arent alone though, unfortunately.

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Dairshipper

You signed up to watch all of that, taking everything with a grain of salt because these things easily fall under the category of "things you really shouldn't be doing."

^Fixed. Sorry about that again. 

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Chris (undeclared)
2404 posts
Undeclared

Teenagers are impressionable without realizing so. Hell, even adults are. Telling them to "watch a different show" isn't so simple because people do what they want.

Anyway, as I said before, it is not the fact that they showed Chuck being volent towards Blair. While it's terrible, you are right that it is a television show and shit happens.

What Safran said in the interview - "I do not believe—or I should say we do not believe—that it is abuse when it's the two of them."- indicates that if it were any other characters, on any other show, that it would be abuse. But for Chuck and Blair, it's normal. That is the issue.

More, Safran says Leighton and he agreed that Blair wasn't to be afraid. The thing is, what they agreed upon and what came across on the show were two different things. That demonstrates poor writing on their part, because you shouldn't have to explain yourself if your message was received clearly.

 

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Dairshipper

That demonstrates poor writing on their part, because you shouldn't have to explain yourself if your message was received clearly.

ITA.  TV is a visual medium and just like movies, the main principle is to "Show [the story], Don't Tell [it]".  Safran shouldnt have to tell its viewers that,  No, your interpretation is wrong, this is how it really is. 

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