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Why the hell do you think people are saying "reedem chuck bass"...its because they know he's not good, he's in a bad place and does bad things, but Chair fans remain aware of the incredible strong connection they have, mental and sexual, demonstrated on MANY occasions...and that notion alone gives hope that BOTH characters, chuck more of course, could be redeemed to be the best that they can be.

True and real domestic abuse is a serious issue, one im familiar with on personal level. Ive been involved in many anti-violence against women charities, and what happened between Chair in that scene is in no way glorification and glamourization of aggression.

@Mrs. Bass. I understand your agression. I also have witnessed first hand abuse. Although in terms of relationship abuse, I've witnessed it being done to my sister, I've been physically abused by my uncle. I do consider the event that took place last night as a sign that Chuck is not well in the head. If you are only viewing this one incident as a signification of abuse then you aren't looking at this in the right context. In my experience with my own uncle, he would at first yell at me, then push me or slam things in an attempt to get his point across (my family couldn't afford rent so we moved in with him and my aunt). It escalated to the point where I was scared of him. He would then go to shaking me. He had a problem with drinking as well. Eventually it got to the point where he would physically abuse me. He would make me and my cousins play soccer and if we "kicked the ball wrong" he would hit us. It all started by him being aggresive and showing behavior. 

In isolated incidents, his behavior might not have been seen as abuse, but over a period of time, his behavior grew more violent. 

Last night's episode might not have been outright phsyical abuse to you. But to me, it reminded me all too much of what happend with my sister and her boyfriend and with me, my sister, and my cousins with my uncle. As for my sister, she was in an abusive relationship with a boy that started out with him being aggressive towards her. When it came to him laying out physical blows, it was all from the escalation of what he had done before. 

So, I don't appreciate you saying that those of use who are calling last night abuse are stupid. We're not. You don't know me or the depth to which my experiences have affected me, so I don't think your word should be taken as gospel. 

You say that you want Chuck to be redeemed? He needs to do that apart from Blair and in all honesty, the two shouldn't be together again. The fact that Blair is going back to him is a sign that no, she isn't strong. I know I've spoken in metaphor before, but Blair going back to him is like a dog walking back to eat/wallow in it's own vomit even though that vomit is a sign of things that weren't good for them.

 

I'm sorry. I don't undermine the value of your experiences, but I don't agree with you trivializing the significance of last night just because it doesn't fit your specific frame of analysis. I have seen this cycle of abuse. I went through it with a family member, and it's something i haven't gotten over. 

In addition, now that my sister is back home and safe (I give thanks ALL THE TIME :D), she tells me that even if her boyfriend does go through rehabilitation, she will never get back together with him. She always tells me that no amount of sparks can compensate for the lethal imbalance of two elements... You shouldn't go back to things that previously dragged you down.

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So, I don't appreciate you saying that those of use who are calling last night abuse are stupid. We're not. You don't know me or the depth to which my experiences have affected me, so I don't think your word should be taken as gospel. 

 

 

FLAWLESS

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So, I don't appreciate you saying that those of use who are calling last night abuse are stupid. We're not. You don't know me or the depth to which my experiences have affected me, so I don't think your word should be taken as gospel. That's right...people who have never experience emotional and physical abuse have no right to comment....you may think what Chuck did is not abuse, but you're wrong and all i hope is that no one ever experiences real abuse, i wouldn't wish that anyone because i'm still struggling with memories from my past

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Sorry, i forgot to highlight the comment i was responding to, i'll repost: 

So, I don't appreciate you saying that those of use who are calling last night abuse are stupid. We're not. You don't know me or the depth to which my experiences have affected me, so I don't think your word should be taken as gospel. 

That's right...people who have never experience emotional and physical abuse have no right to comment....you may think what Chuck did is not abuse, but you're wrong and all i hope is that no one ever experiences real abuse, i wouldn't wish that anyone because i'm still struggling with memories from my past

Sorry for the repost

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Floralovesgurlplz

Agh more threads on this interview..

I agree with the original post completely, though I'm not sure if Safran was really "screaming" a bunch of times when he made those ridiculous statements.

As for the Chuck stans and so called crazy fans, I think having faith in Chuck and Chair all has to do with the fact that they believe it is not like Chuck to do the things he's been doing the past two seasons, and that the writers are just fucking him up to make viewers hate him or move on from Chair. His actions are blamed on either his father's history and BI or the writers not knowing what they're doing.

I don't know what to believe, but it is kind of weird to think that writers don't know anything about their characters all of a sudden. I never know whether to hate on Chuck or hate on the writers.

I'm not sure if I agree that they are trying to get rid of Chair after realizing they had so much focus on them. When Derena broke it off AGAIN in season two, they made literally no eye contact for most of season three, and that convinced me that Derena was really done. But every season is just some big story on Chair, whether it be a good one or a bad one.

I just think that if they really wanted to end Chair, they would have just done it the way they ended Derena, and then we would see scenes of Chuck and Blair walking past each other the same way that Nate and Blair walk past each other as well as Serena and Dan, because all four of those characters acted like they didn't even have a history in season three.

There was a slight possibility that Blair was not over Nate in S3 in the restaurant with Bree, but that theory blew out when it turned out she was really just suspicious of Bree. Serena (though she was dating Carter) was blunt when finding out Dan slept with Georgina. This all just made it seem 100% that Nate/Blair and Serena/Dan were done.

I just don't think it should take this long to try and end Chair. So until they finally end it I can be convinced that it's over

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You know what @independence?, I was about to post and comment on MrsBass' statements with my own tale of abuse (and damn, isn't it tragic that we all have our own horror stories, shiiiiiiit), but you pretty much summed up everything I was going to say.

The abuse started out small, with small things, until it escalated and I almost lost my damn left eye. So for those out there that think that "if he/she didn't get hit, it ain't abuse' then let me tell you, it doesn't matter whether you did or didn't get hit, whether you got yelled at or demeaned, it is still abuse and that isn't kosher AT ALL. It's thinking like that that allows for the abuse to escalate until one gets physically abused. None of it should be trivialized, none of it should be swept under the rug until an actual bruise is seen.

I don't care if Chuck is the UES dark horse. He doesn't deserve Blair, they ARE NOT epic and putting it in the context of "but he loves her oh-so-so-so much" is not an excuse and gives a horrible message to YOUNG, impressionable women that this type of CRAP is okay.

And also, to say that NORMAL people would look at this and know that this isn't okay? Seriously, they are TARGETING a specific audience because they know they can sway that audience's opinions. They made parallels to fairy tales this season because they know, generally speaking, every girl wants a fairy tale ending. Young girls watching this show, while not being able to outright say what possesses them to do the stupid things they sometimes do, ARE influenced by it, and shows like it. So, get that out of your thick skull that everyone fits this pseudo-proposed bill of normality in society. Just by the sheer number of comments alone, you can see that not everyone thinks the same, even those in the same ship don't THINK the same.

But I'm done.

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I don't think they will end Chair even after all this shit. It's just .. sad, I know. You say this is not Chuck and Blair show but you have to admit in some way it is. I think over 90% still watch because of them, I mean both apart and together.

 

The saddest thing is even Blair ends up running back to Chuck shameless/gracelessly, I would still like her as a charactor. I blame it on Leighton. She just makes me like Blair way too much.

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Queenofice

@ Flora: Ending Chair isnt like ending derena or serenate or even nair. While these couples have major fanbases the majority of viewers are CHAIR fans- It doesnt help that since season 1 at least 80% time the focus of GG has been on CHAIR in the sense their story was given a continuity and importance. If we list 50 best scenes of GG I would say Chair would be on the 25 og them. They were called the life of GG by many magazines.

Though writers wanted to move away from Chair this season -maybe because they were running out of Sls- They tried to feed Dair as in the making for seasons- Blouis as the fairytale of B's life and went on to say you dont end up with the love of your high school- There seemed a conscious effort to move away from Chair this season but they had to careful because most people were still rooting for Chair. My problem is that they can never move away from Chair - they just cant- So they should stop providing such Sls to a couple they brand epic!

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Floralovesgurlplz

@ Flora: Ending Chair isnt like ending derena or serenate or even nair. 

That's pretty much what I was saying. Whenever Chair does end temporarily they don't move on right away like Nair, Serenate or Derena did. That is why I don't believe they'll ever be over, and why I'm not convinced that the writers are trying to end them.
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