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Halde

Well that's still good. Empathy for all parts, and such. It certainly differs from my ussual posts:O

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In few hours this thread will be flooded by those who will say that any sort of comparison to BTVS is heresy :P

That hasn't been said by anyone. If you re-read through all the posts, you'll see that the vast majority of people who are not on your side simply don't like OVER comparisons. By that, I mean obsessing over Buffy being compared with TVD. You've stated several times how much K. Williamson is obsessed with Buffy while at the same time, you seem to be as well. I have abosultely no problem with people comparing two TV shows. But when it comes to the point where it's ALL we see on the board and people INSIST on shoving it down people's throats, then it just becomes unneccesary.

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Nicole
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I don't mind the comparing but everywhere I do go it seems like Buffy fans need to deviance there show. They say Buffy is a better show like it is a fact or something.

I’ve seen Buffy many times and I liked the show. But I like TVD much better. I think the actors are better, the characters are much likable and the storylines are better. But this is my opinion nothing more or nothing less. Just like the opinions of the Buffy fans. Honestly I think it’s a bit arrogant to say that Buffy is on a higher level then TVD you think it’s better not the whole world.

And secondly why compare The Vampire Diaries when they only got two seasons so far? Buffy had 7. Doesn’t seem much more reasonable to compare the show after a few seasons. Not just two???

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But when it comes to the point where it's ALL we see on the board and people INSIST on shoving it down people's throats, then it just becomes unneccesary.

 

When argument is made, comparison is made. Anything that has to do with Elena, characters, timeline, etc can be compared to prove a point and most likely will be.

 

Its unavoidable and it will always happen and its  given. What will never be done and was never done(just like halde said) is discussions about BTVS in pure tvd threads :)

 They say Buffy is a better show like it is a fact or something.

Except that, well, it is a fact. It has a cult following, strong legacy, there would be no tvd without it, it has academic following and critical praise of levels TVD will never get and it is impacting and affecting everything released since it started airing.

Just like classics like homer's odyssey, thus spoke zarathustra or robisnon crusoe are better than tvd books and thats a fact, same with btvs and tvd.

BTVS is a standard of quality tv. Its depth is unrivaled by the shows of its length, it has made the rules and so on.

 I think the actors are better, the characters are much likable and the storylines are better.

Any arguments for that? Because thats not an opinion. thats a statement. I can go around saying "hey, earth is flat, but thats just my opinion".

There are quality standards, universal properties of what is art, what is not and what is kitsch. It has nothing to do with opinions.

Opinion is LIKE/DISLIKE.  This has nothing to do with that.

Honestly I think it’s a bit arrogant to say that Buffy is on a higher level then TVD you think it’s better not the whole world.

Not arrogant as its backed up by factual arguments. it is arrogant to claim its an opinion, tbh.

TVD is entertaining tv show. No doubt about it. But its not complex, its not too deep, its not realistic. Its not art and it won't have an impact BTVS did.

TVD is entertainment, ala hollywood movies and other stuff. BTVS is art.

 And secondly why compare The Vampire Diaries when they only got two seasons so far? Buffy had 7. Doesn’t seem much more reasonable to compare the show after a few seasons. Not just two???

Hence why comparisons were made only to the first two/three btvs seasons so far :) plot wise Character wise if character has been developed in the wrong way, giving the show few more seasons won't fix that or bring that up to level of the thing you are comparing to.

And no one is comparing season by season. Thats just unfair for TVD.  Comparisons and allusions are made to characters to reinforce the points and mostly the first few seasons are used.

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Halde

 I can go around saying "hey, earth is flat, but thats just my opinion".

And then we would throw you in the physch ward xD

TVD is entertainment, ala hollywood movies and other stuff. BTVS is art. 

True that a great deal and majority of Hollywood movies is shallow things, but not completly. Many good Hollywood films have been made such as "Gladiator", "Dances with Wolves" and "Forrest Gump". Saying all Hollywood films is shallow is way to generalized and comes out quite ignorant(no offense);)

 

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Damon-my-lover

I dont post much but I read this forum a lot. I like to read about others opinions on the show I love, and most of the time I dont comment because my opinion has already been stated. But recently I have stopped reading because I see a lot of stuff about Buffy. I watched a few episodes but never really got hooked. Anyways, I get bored of reading these topics easily because I am always reading about how Buffy is better and how TVD takes a lot of scenes from it. Now I have nothing against BTVS but I would prefer to read more about the love for the show and less about BTVS [a show I do not watch] and stay with the topic of something I do know...which is TVD. I know comparisons will be made, but I rather not read about a show I dont watch or like.

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^^ this thread

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Now I have nothing against BTVS but I would prefer to read more about the love for the show and less about BTVS

Thats your problem. Various opinions exist. Not everything about TVD is fine nice and dandy. TVD has a lot of flaws and problems. Its only fair to compare to the show that made it all start and set the standards for quality tv shows. :)

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Jtl
Hi everyone! It pretty apparent that were not changing anybodies opinions here. So if were sick and tired of this buffy talk. Then let's not add to the fire by participating in theses discussions anymore.
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any good Hollywood films have been made such as "Gladiator", "Dances with Wolves" and "Forrest Gump". 

true that, but do they compare, for example to Woody Allen movies? Or more deep stuff like Clockwork Orange, Solaris, etc? Nope :P

 

TVD also is not as shallow as let's say teen wolf or twilight, but when you come to real leagues of deep, its on the surface still :P

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