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Floralovesgurlplz
TVD really marysue's their vampires up so I'd have to agree with halde. But like everyone else I'll pick BTVS, and I haven't seen TB but the two main guys are so unattractive.
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, TVD vampires would win in a physical confrontation anyday. . .

Its all yet again the old tired boring "do btvs vamp have speed" thing again. We agreed to disagree on that, I guess.  

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But like everyone else I'll pick BTVS, and I haven't seen TB but the two main guys are so unattractive.

TB is like, the OTHER thing alongside BTVS and underworld, taht tvd tries to rip off. Viking vampires.

 

Of course the good side of TB is that even though it sucks most of the time, show does NOT try to be something more than cvampy try to shoot softcore porn. So even though latest two seasons were pure shit, i personally did not see writers going around boasting on what an awesome drama they created.  

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Floralovesgurlplz
I don't think it's just about speed, I can't recall, did btvs vamps use compulsion or any type of manipulation? What was the effect on the siring? I feel like it's mostly the originals who are marysue'd even though they never do much.
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I can't recall, did btvs vamps use compulsion or any type of manipulation?

Yes.

Master killed Buffy after rendering her pretty much helpless. No eye contact needed.  After her death though, Buffy seemingly became immune to that level of mind tricks as it did absolutely nothing to her the next time.

 

Dracula used a more subtle type of hypnotic suggestion on her, but that also was overcome after she drank his blod and the whole thing about her nature kicked in full force. 

 

BTVS vampire hypnosis goes beyond that. They can do more than just "Tell you waht to do". THey can play tricks on your mind, affect your emotions, change your memories, make you see things that are not even there.

 

The downside being that not EVERY vampire can do that. some are stronger physically, some are smarter than normal vampires and some have those mental-kinds of things. Master had all of that, as did Dracula. 

 

Speed seems to differ from vampire to vampire. Normal vamps seem to be normal. Master seemed to be able to move at speeds so that he could even escape your eyesight, Angel could do a strange-thing of rush that could allow him to cross quite large rooms in few seconds  ina blink of an eye

 and the psycho that Angelus sired seemed to have capability of moving incredibly fast, fast enough to kill pretty much entire police  precinct without them even managing to fire one bullet at him.(something Angel too was capable of doing) 

 

Also all vampires and slayers have that levitation-y movement capability that allows them to jump-float around  the place.

 

Strength wise it all differs on age AND on emotional state.

A vampire weaker and younger than Angel can throw a few dozens of cops few meters into the air like feathers:

 

And stronger vampires still get completely overpowered by more pissed off slayers who handle THEM like feathers. Slayers as old as Buffy theoreitcally are AT MINIMUM five times stronger than few hundred year olf vamps. 

 

Then you have "cheaters" like Dracula who could turn into fog and do all the crazy classic-movie-movie  stuff like shifting into bats, etc, but its not an ability one is born with, but an ability that can be achieved apparantly through magic.  

 

Durability also differs. Vampires as old as Master took ...well...bigger stakes to kill as simple stab into the heart seemed to do nothing(Faith had to stab Kakistos with a huge ass wooden beam for him to die and master fell on quite a huge wooden wreck of a table and STILL left a skeleton behind). 

 

Its very hard to determine the overall strengths and weaknesses of btvs vampires or slayers because it varies from person to person and there are many variables like emotional state(since vampires and slayers are empowered by their darkest emotions like anger, rage, etc) 

 What was the effect on the siring?

A sire in BTVSverse is ANYONE in your bloodline. So Angelus is Spike's sire because Angelus sired Drusila and Drusila sired Spike, for example.  

It has no real effects expcept a certain level of connection (for example Angel saw through dreams what his psycho protege was doing)

 I feel like it's mostly the originals who are marysue'd even though they never do much.

Originals would be a problem since they are bassically around the level of strength Master had and Master is implied to have been the pretty much oldest (not counting turok-han)vampire in the history of time 

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1356 posts
Promqueen

having seen all 3 shows (actually still got 2 BTVS episodes to go - wow! 7 seasons in 1 month!) I'd also say that BTVS win. TB had some pretty badass vamps until Sookie's magical fairy vagina neutered them. Damon was cool in the first half of season 1 - now he just crawls from bar to bar and whines about Elena. at least BTVS vamps were still considered a threat after falling in love.

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Nawtyangel

^^^is that the avenger dude in an epi of BTVS?

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3965 posts
Halde

Jeremy Renner, yes:D

 

He is quite awesome IMO!

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3965 posts
Halde

He also have a minor role in the Ocean Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen movies. And he is the lead in the reboot of The Bourne series(although i prefer they didn't, since Bourne screams Matt Damon)

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3965 posts
Halde

Bournce movies*

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