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KatherinePierceIsBringingSexyBack
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Sexyback
A few months ago I wrote an article on Fanpop on Damon and Katherine and how I believe they break conventional romance tropes and certain gender roles. Do you know of any other couples, preferably in books, who are as I specified in the article? Here it is: www.fanpop.com/clubs/damon-and-katherine/articles/186093/title/damon-katherine-breaking-relationship-tropes-undermining-gender-roles If you don't want to read the article, I'm basically just asking for a book where the heroine and hero are equal and the heroine does not simply exist to save the hero from himself with her purity and her virtuous vagina. A real woman with flaws. An anti-heroine, if you will. Help please?
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Christian Grey and Anastasia Steele

#notrolling

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Dancing-eyes
^^No,its Bella and Edward.The ultimate golden couple.
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KatherinePierceIsBringingSexyBack
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Sexyback
Couples like Rhett and Scarlett or Damon and Katherine and definitely Catherine and Heathcliff appeal to me a great deal. Heroines are often innocent and lost, looking for a powerful virile sex god with issues so that they can heal them. Then her life's purpose is fulfilled. Elena, Ana, Bella, Jane Eyre, Sookie Stackhouse, and on and on and on, all follow the same trope. Other than that, they have no complexity.
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 meh, will forever disagree at damon and kat being portrayed as equals but oh well.

 

 

Its frankly really hard to find a genuinely equal pairing, because authors nowadays are so fond at making one side alwaysa  victim. 

 

 

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KatherinePierceIsBringingSexyBack
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Sexyback
^IKR? I mean its like only one female exists in literature: A good girl. All women are feminine, they are caring, they want children, they are sensitive, they have very little sexual experience and can heal the world with femininity and overwhelming maternal instincts. The moral ambiguity, the power, the sexuality, the real personal journey is all left to the guys. I know being dominated is a common fantasy among women. Its also mine. I'm not denying its appeal, but for once can a hero meet his match? I also like Antony and Cleopatra. The little that I know of them anyway. Scarlett O'Hara is my favourite heroine in literature because I find some of her characteristics relatable. I don't like children either.
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Elenalovesspn

in books? sure.

my favorite trilogy "arcadia awakens" (the second book will be out in america around february/january i think and it's written kai meyer, being known for writing good fantasy books with strong females) has the main, female sociopath, unable to feel any emotions to others due to the fucked up life she had to live. she uses the agony and anger inside her as a driving force, and hides her memories/emotions inside her. the only time i remember her crying was one time, and she didn't even flinch when she had to watch her sister die. when she first finds out she actually cares about him, she's all "well, fuck no" the male, originally from a pretty sexist family, is the one trying to find a humane way out of situations, and being rather emotional. there's the divergent series by veronica roth, in which i completely adore tris/beatrice & four/tobias. one point is that, most of the time, when the male is introduced and his background is shown, the story slowly starts revolving around him. which isn't the case here. it's pretty kick ass. the mortal instrument's main couple is good too, but my main problem is that clary's so underdeveloped while Jace gets so many storylines. i was a bit dissapointed after finishing the first book tbh. (reading for magnus/alec tbh, because they are fab) peeniss! :) as in peeta x katniss from the hunger games, although imo, the first book is still the best all kinds of german (& not translated) books, so sorry. :X
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Elenalovesspn

and on tv, hmmmm

this awesome bitch

n mama mako

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@Elena

But you see, most of the cases you listed, minus the very first which I loved, is that it still has the same roles. 

MI still has the men characters completely overshadow the moral compass and blah blah blah of supposed main character and let's not even get started on hunger games and the problems I have with those books. 

 

 

 

 ^IKR? I mean its like only one female exists in literature: A good girl. All women are feminine, they are caring, they want children, they are sensitive, they have very little sexual experience and can heal the world with femininity and overwhelming maternal instincts.

That's not even a full problem.

In most of cases you either have a completely spineless male main and supposedly badass female main, yet the male main still saves the day. OR you have completley badass male main and a couple of damsels in distress. 

With Katherine - sure there's sexuality and power, but its portrayed in extremely sexist, negative power - the only real power Katherine has is manipulation and use of her gender - you won't see her tearing shit down, going on murder sprees etc. And when it comes to pairings, you either have woobie-misunderstood Kat and her man, OR you have a woobie-misunderstood damon/steffie and not-caring Katherine. 

Actually finding a duo nowadays where BOTH lead characters can be equally empowered and not be spineless, is nigh impossible - the best thing to hope for is that both leads switch their roles around fat enough , so each manages to have those vulnerable "oh save me" moments AND those atypical badassery scenarios. , but even then the cliche dynamic between two main characters seems unavoidable. 

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fast not fat

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You want a love that consumes you. You want passion and adventure, and even a little danger... I want you to get everything you're looking for. But for right now, I want you to forget that this happened. Can't have people knowing I'm in town yet. Goodnight, Elena.

Damon

Damon: You know what they are? Children. Like lighting a candle's going to make everything OK, or even saying a prayer. Or pretending Elena's not going to end up just like the rest of us murdering vampires. Stupid, delusional, exasperating little children. And I know what you're going to say: 'It makes them feel better, Damon.' So what? For how long? A minute, a day? What difference does it make? Because in the end, when you lose somebody, every candle, every prayer is not going to make up for the fact that the only thing you have left is hole in your life where that somebody that you cared about used to be. And a rock with a birthday carved into it that I'm pretty sure is wrong. So thanks, friend. Thanks for leaving me here to babysit. Because I should be long gone by now. I didn't get the girl, remember? I'm just stuck here fighting my brother and taking care of the kids. You owe me big.
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