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Cbsn

I actually wouldn't care about the letter if Elena deserved an apology. It's not the fact that I hate her, and surprisingly I don't. She's annoying as hell, I don't loathe her.

 

Now going back to this specifically...I also do not think she deserved an apology. That is more of Plec's fangirl bullshit.

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Forwood were great in season 2. Then in season 3 they literally had sex from the first episode and that wasn't a good choice imo. 

THIS SO MUCH. Its yet again the case of lack of consistency in writing that this show suffers so mcuh from - characters change their motivations every episode and act according to how writers want them to, instead of actually being in-character.

when I compared Klaroline to s1 Chair, I didn't mean that I see Klaroline like that. Because they're nothing like that. I meant that that's kind of how I'd like Klaroline to be.   

But that would still require both o f them to be opposites of who they actually have been developed as.

And Elijah has completely lost his badassness. Remember how Rose and her friend were soooo afraid of him? Or when he cut this guy's head off with his bare hand? He was so awesome in season 2. And I liked it when he saved Klaus, because you thought he's moral and he wouldn't betray Elena and the others but he did. 

Agreed so much with this. He is not a villain, he is not a character, he is an Elena worshipper who never ammounts to anything and has stopped being unpredictable long time ago.

 

The Elijah I remember is cocky overpowered bastard who does not care about the means as long as he gets what he wants and relies on smart clauses in honorable promises.

Its not the Elijah who writes apology letters, dies every two episodes because of how gulible he is and spends time sulking about his humanity.

 

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Cbsn

Most people do not realize it, but you cannot establish motivation of a character when the writing has been inconsistent since the second season. To suggest you can, only demonstrates sloppy comprehension of the craft itself. This means nobody here can state with certainty how a character will act when Plec herself is incapable of doing it. 

 

 

 

If you could state it, that means you have the characterization profile in your hands.

 

 

Also, I notice the lack of comprehension in this thread. Did my posts address the writing when I discussed Elijah or the terms people used associated with the character?

 

 

 

Third, if you complain about how fucked up the writing is with Plec, with all the generalizations about her ability to put pen to paper, then remain consistent in your perspective that ALL the characters are fucked up cookie-cutter renditions of Plec's "It's a wonderful fangirl world."

 

 

 

You can only state an opinion like all of us. It becomes a fact when we deal with the nuances of the English language.

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Stavroula

@Elijah's Hottie  I don't think the term badass equals villain. Damon can be considered a badass but he's not a villain. He's the anti-hero of the story. Katherine can be considered badass as well but she's not a villain. I also consider Caroline badass. 

The definition of badass  from Urban Dictionary (I know the description seems kinda dumb but still). That's at least how I see it. And I think that's what most of us mean when we use the term "badass".

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Cbsn

A bestselling writer in Writer's Digest suggests in an article that characterization is about knowing important things--"not just good versus evil" (which I might add is the amateur's way of seeing it), but it is about forming a solid profile to discover how a character will act in a situation. As writer stated in another issue of Writer's Digest this year, readers will NOT be able to know a character or understand why he/she does certain things without showing the reader the motivations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a person claims to know the motivations of a character, that means Plec did something right. The only identifiable trait is the struggle we see, but not the premise for the character's desires and inner needs.

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Cbsn

@Elijah's Hottie  I don't think the term badass equals villain. Damon can be considered a badass but he's not a villain. He's the anti-hero of the story. Katherine can be considered badass as well but she's not a villain. I also consider Caroline badass. 

The definition of badass  from Urban Dictionary (I know the description seems kinda dumb but still). That's at least how I see it. And I think that's what most of us mean when we use the term "badass".

 

You notice it said he does what he wants? How can anyone here state they know Elijah's motivation based on Plec's horrendous writing? I'm not arguing that you are entitled to a subjective way of seeing the term, but "most" people do not see "badass" the way it is expressed on this forum. It's a generalization.

 

 

Do you know what Merriam Webster states a "badass" is?

 

 

"Of formidable strength or skill."  Elijah has that.

 

 

Now you are probably wondering what's the point. Here it is:

 

You are correct that you can choose to see him as a pushover. That's your right. I'm pointing out that in the literary and English world, some people associate that term with skill. This also happens for people who study  terms in detail.

 

Anyway, I genuinely enjoy your perspectives.

 

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Karally
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Karally

Agree with that opinion givein in Writer's Digest. As the writer myself, I loathe underdeveloped characters. 

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Karally

*given

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Cizzi
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Cizzi

Now going back to this specifically...I also do not think she deserved an apology. That is more of Plec's fangirl bullshit

if anyone deserved an apology it was Bonnie imo.

and i just want to say that just because Forwood has been the victim of poor writing doesnt mean klaroline is a well written one (it's not lets be honest) or that it should happen.

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Floralovesgurlplz

 and i just want to say that just because Forwood has been the victim of poor writing doesnt mean klaroline is a well written one (it's not lets be honest) or that it should happen.

Gosh not one person here is saying that though. Most Klaroline fans don't enjoy the way it's written, and I want it to happen because it shouldn't happen. On the other hand Plec sucks, so I wouldn't care if it never happened either way.
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