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OKAY STORY TIME. I was on this one blog I used to follow, sending her mail, and I happened to ignore the fact that her background was Trevino in nothing but undies. Then I felt someone breathing behind my back and turned around to see my Aunt winking at me, as she said "so who's the cutie" then before I could talk she ran away cracking up. It was the same pic cookiemonster used and LOL that is cincookie

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What's her obsession with Tyler and cookies? I think her Tyler/MT obsession beats my Klaus/JoMo obsession.

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I get along with her though! We were both discussing how we liked Jyler and Myler, it's my friend who she fought with and I just stood there cracking up. KITTY WTH since when was Bangel endgame? I don't read dem comic books yo but I saw it mentioned in this wall of china: (watch tvfanatic fuk this up) I’ve worked “in the industry.” Now let me give you my two cents on the Spin-off

First of all, I have worked in Television. 

I have made my living working in television.

Second, I am also a writer, a serious one. It is my life goal to create my own television series, and I am working on it.Everyday this is what I think about. My primary focus.

So let me tell you a little thing or two about writing for television.

One ship doesn’t sail a show.

Not these days. Not for a show aiming to have multiple successful seasons. (Which fyi, every show does. if they didn’t hold the big promise of making big bucks, they won’t do it.)

 

There are simply too many choices for what people can watch these days, and with things like netflixs and the internet bringing you all the seasons from the past, you could literally not stop watching shows probably for the rest of your life, 24/7. It’s not like back when your parents were kids and there was just the 2-3 channels. There are so many televison networks these days its hard to keep up with them all. 

Television needs to reach a large audience to survive, and new shows - pilots especially - have to really make an impact to take off. They need to make a bloody impact when they air or it’s game over. Period.

This rings true with spin-offs in particular. They can’t risk ostacizing their existing audience.You wouldn’t believe how many pilots are filmed every season that make it no where. Even ones with really great characters, really phenomenal actors, and writing that people like me can only dream of being capable.

So let me say this once to the people clambering that Pheobe has to automatically be Klaus’s new love interest if she’s the lead: If the writers are at all smart, they’d give each lead their own potential love interest.

Despite the comments I’ve seen saying otherwise, it happens a lot. Especially in television. Films, granted, tend to stick to the Lead Girl + Lead Guy = End game formula, but television has a whole other platform to work with. Most shows nowadays are ensemble casts. The story isn’t just about one person, even if there is the one key character or point of view. Producers know that ships sail, and how much money that brings in for them. Producers only care about two things. Getting things done on time, and getting them done on budget.

In other words, they care about the bottom line. Money. 

Multiple ships = a broader audience of fans. Few shows - especially these days - survive for long off one single ship. It’s basically suicide to limit their options. Logically, it makes more sense to make the two leads be related in another way. Friends, Enemies, or even family. This opens the door up for still keeping them both leads, but both be able to explore multiple different relationships. Multiple ships hold the power of drawing in a broader audience because… 

Not everyone ships the same things.

Ship wars wouldn’t exist if that was the case - and few fandoms have the sorts of ship wars TVD’s does. This tells us something. It tells us that the writers are big fans of having multiple ships in their shows. It tells us they are smart enough to capitalize on it, even if we don’t always agree or constantly complain about the triangles.

And why wouldn’t they? Their whole show’s plot is derivative off one girls inability to choose between two completely opposite but each appealing in their own way potential love interests. They rely on the dynamic on the triangle. We as fans all hate it, of course, but that’s because we have our perpetual OTP goggles on, and all we see is what is best for our ship(s). 

Now before you go freaking out that this means the writers are going to give Klaus a love triangle, let me just say this. Klaus is not Elena. He is not a young, lost girl trying to find her place in the world. He is a 1000+ year old vampire hybrid who, for the most part, knew what he wanted from this world. Hybrids. Hybrids that he had to go and murder. 

Personally, I think that is the plot they are going to explore in the backdoor episode. Which would explain why Pheobe’s werewolf is involved.

Now, this is really important. Joseph Morgan is getting this amazing chance to star in his own show because his character has so much depth and potential he out-grew TVD.They recognized this, but instead of just writing him out of the script (as originally intended) and letting his story-line come to and end, they have given us - the fans - what we really want. 

More Klaus. The potential for lots more Klaus. 

I stand by my opinion that they couldn’t find any worthy plots for Klaus and Joseph that fit within Mystic Falls. His character is too large a fish, and a story from Elena’s perspective just wasn’t big enough for all his potential. They are giving him his own universe, and I don’t necessarily mean one separate from Mystic Falls. I have complete faith that their will be crossovers, and not just with Caroline but with Stefan and Damon. Even Tyler.

This second show gives these characters - especially the supporting actors - another place to go. I think this is great for all their careers, personally. They don’t have to leave one show to work on the other. That is the great thing about two shows being run by the same people. They are on the same contract, for the same production company. If TVD comes to an end, which naturally it will eventually - this new show with a fresher perspective (Klaus’s) a place to go when it ends. It gives us the potential for more flashbacks, and it gives us the potential to find out so much more about the Originals and why they captivated us so much. 

I don’t see it as the end of Klaroline. I see it as the beginning. I honestly don’t think TVD would be around long enough to develop their relationship properly. This spin-off has a really strong potential to take off, if we support it.And I think that’s a very good thing for Klaroline. Klaus isn’t the kind of character to love often, so when he does - or at least comes close to it - that impacts his character tremendously. It’s not the kind of story line a writer just drops. It will plague him, if nothing else. He isn’t going to just jump in the sack with the first werewolf that whistles at him. The reason he is getting his own show is because we have such a strong unianimious love for this character no matter who we ship. They wouldn’t risk making such a huge change to his character. That never goes over well with fans. 

And let me tell you. They want to keep fans happy. They’ll frustrate us, certainly, with how they tell the story - it can’t always be sunshine and rainbows - but they give us these sweet, beautiful moments we want. They give us stuff to gif, and write about, and make fanvids of because the power of social media is ridiculous. We do their marketing for them for free. This is a producers wet dream. How many of you have started watching a new show because of the stuff you see on tumblr? I bet every single one of you will raise your metaphorical hands at that. Word of Mouth is the best advertising money can’t buy, and they won’t throw that free resource away.

Trust me.

Naturally, the surprise (and I am going to agree with Kristen {sweetklausoline}, and say it was a leak) of his spin-off came as a shock to many of us. Since no official story had been released, just a bunch of entertainment websites that all said conflicting things save some very vague details, we went up in arms. We didn’t want to see our ship end, we didn’t want to see the end of TVD as we know it - but I think that is just the reaction of finding out too soon, with not enough details. As a fandom, we overreacted. I know I did.

And that’s okay. We are emotionally invested in this, because as i’ve said - it is a relationship that we are apart of. It effects our moods as if it directly effects our lives. Because it does.

We naturally felt confused, and we felt conflicted - but that is no reason to wish ill upon any actors or their potential careers. 

We are the audience. They might not give us exactly what we want, but our role in this whole relationship is absolutely huge. Massive. Beyond comprehension. Without us, without viewers, IE without ratings, none of this would exist.

Because the entertainment industry (unfortunately) cannot run off imagination alone. 

Money is the driving force. We supply the money, thus this relationship is a classic case of supply and demand. If we demand something hard enough, they will have to supply it. They have no choice. Because they want the money.

So I repeat, if the writers are smart - which I am going to go ahead and say they are - they won’t just end a ship as epic as Klaroline. They will let it live on, drag it out in angst and bring her up in the show - even if she isn’t there. (That said, there will be cross-overs, that is basically like a writer/producers dream.) They will market that bang for their buck I promise you. (I even suspect that’s why Joseph went and deleted that certain tweet, since it was too soon to confirm and/or hint at it but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was already in the works.)

Shows don’t get pilots without a Mini Bible, which is essentially a page write up of all potential episodes in a season and the potential story plots and character arcs. This shows executive producers (essentially a fancy term for those who provide funding and/or arrange for it) as well as any backers or bankers that they have a solid idea of where they are going with this. That way, when the pilot is green lit the writer(s) can start writing the first 4-6 episodes, so that by the time the pilot has aired and the ratings are approved, those next episodes are ready to be filmed. Only the first quarter to half a season of a new show will be filmed and then the rest only if the  show gets picked up or not - otherwise, it might just become a mini series (in the case of totally new shows) or bonus material for season releases of the show it was based off. 

With this in mind, I doubt they would cut off completely the plot and build-up of the Klaroline story-line. It is a proven story-line that has interest, and gets people talking whether they like it or not. Producers and writers will use this to ensure they survive the season. New shows are basically like sitting ducks, just waiting for the audience to shoot them dead. 

Producers will do whatever they can to salvage what money they’ve spent, to make a profit. That is their job, and that is the only thing they care about. 

So in my opinion, Klaroline will not die.

Especially if you keep supporting the ship.

The only way Klaroline will die is if everyone suddenly jumps ship. 

Then the writers and producers have no reason to keep it going, because the guaranteed interest is dead. You know how profitable guaranteed interest is? Why do you think next to all movies were books first?

Because it’s a guaranteed profit.

So stay positive, if this pair inspires you (or hell, even if it doesn’t and you’re just a joseph or candice or anyone on the show stan) the most important thing you can do is keep supporting your ships, as well as learn to respect other peoples ships. 

Because ALL SHIPS are what keep television shows afloat. 

The reason is simple. More then story, more then plot, and more then genre, we - humans - connect the best with other humans. But not just any humans, humans with well developed character.We connect with these characters, we feel for them, we cry for them, we laugh with them, and we love them.That is what keeps them alive, that is what makes all forms of story telling successful be it books, shows, or movies - is our love for them. 

Hate only brings things down, it only closes doors and is what ultimately leads to things not just ending, but being forgotten. It shuts down ideas, just as it shuts down creation. Hate is essentially destruction.

So show some love. 

But most importantly, show respect to everyone involved in creating the things you love.

It is a relationship, and like any other relationship its based on give and take. Support the ships you love and the shows you love and the actors you love, and you will be rewarded with more of what you love.

Take Joss Whedon as the perfect example.

Buffy and Angel still got a chance at an endgame, and so can Klaus and Caroline. {for details on this check out the Klaroline Campaign.)

And for all you saying that boycotting the spin-off will help. You’re being ridiculous. The best hope for Klaroline is this spin-off. Joseph Morgan and Candice Accola will just never get the screen time to make them happen on TVD. Even if Candice isn’t yet set to work on Joseph’s spin-off, doesn’t mean she won’t. I think she will - Julie loves her acting just as much as she loves Joseph’s. 

They won’t let an actress that good just get away and go work for another network or production company. They will want to keep that working relationship alive. Because that’s what the entertainment industry does. Trust me. It’s a who-you-know industry. The only reason I have gotten any of the jobs I have are because of people I knew, and then people I worked with.When you have that much money on the line, you only work with people you know can do the job. They trust Candice, they love her, and if TVD does come to an end, or if her character doesn’t have much story-line, they will make use of her in their other show. It’s just industry common sense.

Especially if people are still shipping Klaroline. 

For the simple and ever unchanging reason of money. It is always about the money.

Which is why you hold all the power. 

So this is my moral for you. Don’t abuse it. Wield it wisely.

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I get along with her though! We were both discussing how we liked Jyler and Myler, it's my friend who she fought with and I just stood there cracking up. KITTY WTH since when was Bangel endgame? I don't read dem comic books yo but I saw it mentioned in this wall of china: (watch tvfanatic fuk this up) I’ve worked “in the industry.” Now let me give you my two cents on the Spin-off

First of all, I have worked in Television. 

I have made my living working in television.

Second, I am also a writer, a serious one. It is my life goal to create my own television series, and I am working on it.Everyday this is what I think about. My primary focus.

So let me tell you a little thing or two about writing for television.

One ship doesn’t sail a show.

Not these days. Not for a show aiming to have multiple successful seasons. (Which fyi, every show does. if they didn’t hold the big promise of making big bucks, they won’t do it.)

 

There are simply too many choices for what people can watch these days, and with things like netflixs and the internet bringing you all the seasons from the past, you could literally not stop watching shows probably for the rest of your life, 24/7. It’s not like back when your parents were kids and there was just the 2-3 channels. There are so many televison networks these days its hard to keep up with them all. 

Television needs to reach a large audience to survive, and new shows - pilots especially - have to really make an impact to take off. They need to make a bloody impact when they air or it’s game over. Period.

This rings true with spin-offs in particular. They can’t risk ostacizing their existing audience.You wouldn’t believe how many pilots are filmed every season that make it no where. Even ones with really great characters, really phenomenal actors, and writing that people like me can only dream of being capable.

So let me say this once to the people clambering that Pheobe has to automatically be Klaus’s new love interest if she’s the lead: If the writers are at all smart, they’d give each lead their own potential love interest.

Despite the comments I’ve seen saying otherwise, it happens a lot. Especially in television. Films, granted, tend to stick to the Lead Girl + Lead Guy = End game formula, but television has a whole other platform to work with. Most shows nowadays are ensemble casts. The story isn’t just about one person, even if there is the one key character or point of view. Producers know that ships sail, and how much money that brings in for them. Producers only care about two things. Getting things done on time, and getting them done on budget.

In other words, they care about the bottom line. Money. 

Multiple ships = a broader audience of fans. Few shows - especially these days - survive for long off one single ship. It’s basically suicide to limit their options. Logically, it makes more sense to make the two leads be related in another way. Friends, Enemies, or even family. This opens the door up for still keeping them both leads, but both be able to explore multiple different relationships. Multiple ships hold the power of drawing in a broader audience because… 

Not everyone ships the same things.

Ship wars wouldn’t exist if that was the case - and few fandoms have the sorts of ship wars TVD’s does. This tells us something. It tells us that the writers are big fans of having multiple ships in their shows. It tells us they are smart enough to capitalize on it, even if we don’t always agree or constantly complain about the triangles.

And why wouldn’t they? Their whole show’s plot is derivative off one girls inability to choose between two completely opposite but each appealing in their own way potential love interests. They rely on the dynamic on the triangle. We as fans all hate it, of course, but that’s because we have our perpetual OTP goggles on, and all we see is what is best for our ship(s). 

Now before you go freaking out that this means the writers are going to give Klaus a love triangle, let me just say this. Klaus is not Elena. He is not a young, lost girl trying to find her place in the world. He is a 1000+ year old vampire hybrid who, for the most part, knew what he wanted from this world. Hybrids. Hybrids that he had to go and murder. 

Personally, I think that is the plot they are going to explore in the backdoor episode. Which would explain why Pheobe’s werewolf is involved.

Now, this is really important. Joseph Morgan is getting this amazing chance to star in his own show because his character has so much depth and potential he out-grew TVD.They recognized this, but instead of just writing him out of the script (as originally intended) and letting his story-line come to and end, they have given us - the fans - what we really want. 

More Klaus. The potential for lots more Klaus. 

I stand by my opinion that they couldn’t find any worthy plots for Klaus and Joseph that fit within Mystic Falls. His character is too large a fish, and a story from Elena’s perspective just wasn’t big enough for all his potential. They are giving him his own universe, and I don’t necessarily mean one separate from Mystic Falls. I have complete faith that their will be crossovers, and not just with Caroline but with Stefan and Damon. Even Tyler.

This second show gives these characters - especially the supporting actors - another place to go. I think this is great for all their careers, personally. They don’t have to leave one show to work on the other. That is the great thing about two shows being run by the same people. They are on the same contract, for the same production company. If TVD comes to an end, which naturally it will eventually - this new show with a fresher perspective (Klaus’s) a place to go when it ends. It gives us the potential for more flashbacks, and it gives us the potential to find out so much more about the Originals and why they captivated us so much. 

I don’t see it as the end of Klaroline. I see it as the beginning. I honestly don’t think TVD would be around long enough to develop their relationship properly. This spin-off has a really strong potential to take off, if we support it.And I think that’s a very good thing for Klaroline. Klaus isn’t the kind of character to love often, so when he does - or at least comes close to it - that impacts his character tremendously. It’s not the kind of story line a writer just drops. It will plague him, if nothing else. He isn’t going to just jump in the sack with the first werewolf that whistles at him. The reason he is getting his own show is because we have such a strong unianimious love for this character no matter who we ship. They wouldn’t risk making such a huge change to his character. That never goes over well with fans. 

And let me tell you. They want to keep fans happy. They’ll frustrate us, certainly, with how they tell the story - it can’t always be sunshine and rainbows - but they give us these sweet, beautiful moments we want. They give us stuff to gif, and write about, and make fanvids of because the power of social media is ridiculous. We do their marketing for them for free. This is a producers wet dream. How many of you have started watching a new show because of the stuff you see on tumblr? I bet every single one of you will raise your metaphorical hands at that. Word of Mouth is the best advertising money can’t buy, and they won’t throw that free resource away.

Trust me.

Naturally, the surprise (and I am going to agree with Kristen {sweetklausoline}, and say it was a leak) of his spin-off came as a shock to many of us. Since no official story had been released, just a bunch of entertainment websites that all said conflicting things save some very vague details, we went up in arms. We didn’t want to see our ship end, we didn’t want to see the end of TVD as we know it - but I think that is just the reaction of finding out too soon, with not enough details. As a fandom, we overreacted. I know I did.

And that’s okay. We are emotionally invested in this, because as i’ve said - it is a relationship that we are apart of. It effects our moods as if it directly effects our lives. Because it does.

We naturally felt confused, and we felt conflicted - but that is no reason to wish ill upon any actors or their potential careers. 

We are the audience. They might not give us exactly what we want, but our role in this whole relationship is absolutely huge. Massive. Beyond comprehension. Without us, without viewers, IE without ratings, none of this would exist.

Because the entertainment industry (unfortunately) cannot run off imagination alone. 

Money is the driving force. We supply the money, thus this relationship is a classic case of supply and demand. If we demand something hard enough, they will have to supply it. They have no choice. Because they want the money.

So I repeat, if the writers are smart - which I am going to go ahead and say they are - they won’t just end a ship as epic as Klaroline. They will let it live on, drag it out in angst and bring her up in the show - even if she isn’t there. (That said, there will be cross-overs, that is basically like a writer/producers dream.) They will market that bang for their buck I promise you. (I even suspect that’s why Joseph went and deleted that certain tweet, since it was too soon to confirm and/or hint at it but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was already in the works.)

Shows don’t get pilots without a Mini Bible, which is essentially a page write up of all potential episodes in a season and the potential story plots and character arcs. This shows executive producers (essentially a fancy term for those who provide funding and/or arrange for it) as well as any backers or bankers that they have a solid idea of where they are going with this. That way, when the pilot is green lit the writer(s) can start writing the first 4-6 episodes, so that by the time the pilot has aired and the ratings are approved, those next episodes are ready to be filmed. Only the first quarter to half a season of a new show will be filmed and then the rest only if the  show gets picked up or not - otherwise, it might just become a mini series (in the case of totally new shows) or bonus material for season releases of the show it was based off. 

With this in mind, I doubt they would cut off completely the plot and build-up of the Klaroline story-line. It is a proven story-line that has interest, and gets people talking whether they like it or not. Producers and writers will use this to ensure they survive the season. New shows are basically like sitting ducks, just waiting for the audience to shoot them dead. 

Producers will do whatever they can to salvage what money they’ve spent, to make a profit. That is their job, and that is the only thing they care about. 

So in my opinion, Klaroline will not die.

Especially if you keep supporting the ship.

The only way Klaroline will die is if everyone suddenly jumps ship. 

Then the writers and producers have no reason to keep it going, because the guaranteed interest is dead. You know how profitable guaranteed interest is? Why do you think next to all movies were books first?

Because it’s a guaranteed profit.

So stay positive, if this pair inspires you (or hell, even if it doesn’t and you’re just a joseph or candice or anyone on the show stan) the most important thing you can do is keep supporting your ships, as well as learn to respect other peoples ships. 

Because ALL SHIPS are what keep television shows afloat. 

The reason is simple. More then story, more then plot, and more then genre, we - humans - connect the best with other humans. But not just any humans, humans with well developed character.We connect with these characters, we feel for them, we cry for them, we laugh with them, and we love them.That is what keeps them alive, that is what makes all forms of story telling successful be it books, shows, or movies - is our love for them. 

Hate only brings things down, it only closes doors and is what ultimately leads to things not just ending, but being forgotten. It shuts down ideas, just as it shuts down creation. Hate is essentially destruction.

So show some love. 

But most importantly, show respect to everyone involved in creating the things you love.

It is a relationship, and like any other relationship its based on give and take. Support the ships you love and the shows you love and the actors you love, and you will be rewarded with more of what you love.

Take Joss Whedon as the perfect example.

Buffy and Angel still got a chance at an endgame, and so can Klaus and Caroline. {for details on this check out the Klaroline Campaign.)

And for all you saying that boycotting the spin-off will help. You’re being ridiculous. The best hope for Klaroline is this spin-off. Joseph Morgan and Candice Accola will just never get the screen time to make them happen on TVD. Even if Candice isn’t yet set to work on Joseph’s spin-off, doesn’t mean she won’t. I think she will - Julie loves her acting just as much as she loves Joseph’s. 

They won’t let an actress that good just get away and go work for another network or production company. They will want to keep that working relationship alive. Because that’s what the entertainment industry does. Trust me. It’s a who-you-know industry. The only reason I have gotten any of the jobs I have are because of people I knew, and then people I worked with.When you have that much money on the line, you only work with people you know can do the job. They trust Candice, they love her, and if TVD does come to an end, or if her character doesn’t have much story-line, they will make use of her in their other show. It’s just industry common sense.

Especially if people are still shipping Klaroline. 

For the simple and ever unchanging reason of money. It is always about the money.

Which is why you hold all the power. 

So this is my moral for you. Don’t abuse it. Wield it wisely.

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WTFFFFFFFF DOUBLE POST REALLY. REALLY TVFANATIC? UGHHHH. 

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I loved Jyler! I actually liked Tyler in S1 TBH and thought he was hot/badass. I shipped him and Jeremy so hard and even read fics about them. They were my S1 crackship. But the writers ruined Tyler's character and turned him soft/wimpy and I hate it.

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LOL@At that post.

The very idea that the author of it somehow thinks that "BUffy and Angel still got a chance at endgame" proves most of it is bullshit. Joss does not give a shit on what you "love". 

Also the very idea that the most important thing is "ships" is outlandish - not only the post contradicts itself since it started by saying that ships do not matter that much anymore, but your generic viewer does not care about shipping. He/She tunes in and if show fails to grab attention, switches channels.  

Not to mention it ignores very frequent factors of tv viewership like tendency to automatically ship the leads together, slash fiction popularity, attention retention factor and proper advertising

sorry but, as long as that post is, that persons sounds more like he/she is talking out of her ass.

 

 

 

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2 hours of vampire diaries? I say why not.

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I never cared for walls of china. But I was certain Whedon could care less for endgames. WAIT THO HOW IS BANGEL ENDGAME?

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but your generic viewer does not care about shipping

    Nope I've seen many people on Tumblr say that they don't watch TVD but love/ship Klaroline. Ships are why some people actually start tuning in. I, myself, rarely care about shipping unless it's TVD. With GG, I don't ship anyone (maybe Chuck/Vanessa) and I preferred it when the show didn't focus on romance. When I watched Grey's Anatomy, I watched for the SL and drama and I hated all the couples even the beloved Merek or whatever. The only reason I care about shipping for this show is because the SL is so fucking boring that the only left is to focus on putting pretty people together.
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