It's an ongoing question among NCIS fans: do you want to see Tony and Ziva as a couple?
I think they are so great for each other! Whatever skills(whatever they may be) he is good at them, and the other way around. Niether of them are perfect, so they make a great pair! THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW! But it can't be cheesy romantic, they are better than that.
Although I did like the heavy flirting that would go on between the two in seasons 3 and 4, that is as far as I believe their relationship should go. That was back in the day, when SuperZiva at least pretended to have respect for her co-workers. There friendship took a DRASTIC hit in S6's Semper Fidelis and Aliyah and has never recovered. In order to have a true relationship, there would need to be some mutual respect between the two, which there is not. Ziva's "below the belt" teasing and Tony's self-humiliating/ridiculous humor now flood their scenes in the current scripts. There relationship is TORTURE to watch. Abby and McGee have a chance though. Atleast their relationship is based on a more mutual respect.
Tony and Ziva are barely friends. But first of all, they are co-workers that are very, VERY devoted to their jobs. They are so devoted to their jobs that they have become almost one dimensional/un-developed characters. Mere copies of Gibbs, but more like cardboard cutouts in terms of personalities. Gibbs' vulger personality and no-nonsense rules have caused them all to live boring, uneventful lives that focus solely on work. Gibbs barks orders, tells them to shut-up, administers head-slaps, intimidates, snarls, and shows no appreciation for the crap he puts them through. They are shells of their past seasons' personalities.
yo cre que la gente a mi parecer no a visto la serie completa de principio a fin ya que Han entendido a mal la relacion de tony y ziva a lo largo de estas temporadas, tanto el caracter de ambos actores a sido un toma y daca, ni el uno como villano ni al otro como titere, el caracter de ambos a evolucionado a tal punto como cote de pablo de mujer guerrera y tosca a una persona mas tratable y un michael un poco mas maduro y objetivo que disfraza sus miedo con algo de humor, con todo eso esta pareja se ha mantenido tanto asi que el uno se interesa del bienestar del otro si no sedieron cuenta pues que pena, vuelvan a ver la serie desde el principio y se daran cuenta de lo que digo.... esten juntos o no eso ya depende de los escritores.
No - Tony isn't "quick" witted, he is more "half" witted, juvenile and will chase any female. Bring back Paul Telfa for Ziva to play with - he is quiet and determined like she is. Love all the characters - Good Job.
As far as the nicer tone in some of T and Z's conversations, I think it just depends on whether or not they are trying to add fuel to the tiva fire or not for a particular episode. It irritates me that we have Ziva being insulting and superiorly smug with Tony in one instance and then she is making moon eyes and being nice the next. Housekeeping and A Desperate Man both obviously had a stir the tiva pot agenda, hence the awkward third party tiva cheers from EJ and the man who lost his wife. IMO, these two moments were forced, overly contrived and unbelievable. Since when are EJ and ZIva pals? Ziva treated EJ like she wanted to scratch her eyes out in most of the episodes leading up to Housekeeping, then suddenly Ej is her BFF cheering tiva. And in ADM, the husband spent the whole episode extremely distraught over his wife's murder and then when they catch the murderer, rather than being curious or caring, he gives a tiva cheer. Random much?
Okay not all of my text was posted... great.
Well Yeah you get the last part now... I think I have to watch NCIS soon. And then what do you think about the talks they have in "Housekeeping" and "Desperate Man"? Because I really like those. They are venerable and themselves, talking like friends. That's why I can't wait to see what happens in the elevatorscene in the first episode because I really do think it's point of no return for Ziva and Tony. And maybe you are right about the fact that Ziva has to respect Tony when they are togehter with McGee and Gibbs...
AJA: Well thanks, I can be civil sometimes or actually most of the time... Lol. Alright we can agree to disagree and hey that's cool!:D
Well to the point. The episode where Ziva calls Tony "deadweight" I have tried and tried to analyse why she says that... Because I'm honest to say that I really thought they have moved on that part of their "relationship", so I can see your point and sadly I'm starting to get an epiphany here.. It pretty much sucks ;) At first I just settled with maybe Ziva was trying to protect him with not taking him along to Colombia... yeah that's bullshit I know. Maybe she just has a self-confidence which is really really bad and then she has to patronizing Tony (Like with your other examples)to make her feel better with her self and she knows Tony doesn't do anything about it or something like that... It's bad because that's diffently not the way the writers should develop Ziva... And it's bad because I have never noticed it before -.-' I think I have to watch some NCIS soon - but for now I still think Ziva is great maybe because I'm fascinated about how interesting and special she is from other women.
Actually what do you think about the talks they have had in season 9? You know like in "Housekeeping" and "Desperate Man" because I think it's nice to see them both more venerable and talk like friends. They are both more relaxed and themselves... I really like that part in the show and I can't wait to see what happens in the elevatorscene in the first episode - It's point of no return for Tony and Ziva
@Caroline - I appreciate your very civil reply post. Although you certainly make some interesting points that could be seen as a possible explanation for Ziva's behavior toward Tony, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Her barbs about him being old, or fat, or not good enough for the women he is attracted to, or telling Gibbs she doesn't want him along because he would be "deadweight" in the bullpen for everyone to hear, is not teasing or the act of someone who values, respects, or even likes the person she is talking about. These types of remarks are hurtful, arrogant, insensitive, and cruel IMO. It would be one thing if she was just being portrayed as an arrogant, self important, insensitive co worker, but the writers are teasing a love relationship. Why? Because on the rare occasion, Ziva actually expresses something resembling friendship toward Tony? Or because they are both very attractive.
Nope I don't have any anger issues... Byt yeah I can see that my last post sounds angry but I'm just so frustrated, you know. Because I think is a bit childish to stop watching the show because of one thing, Tiva. On the other hand I'm frustrated about the fact that I have never noticed that a lot really don't like Ziva... And I can see the problem about her thinks she is superior etc. because I can see it myself now. It doesn't change the fact I still like her though - I actually think it's all about humor. In my country we are very very sarcastic and patronizing, just for fun though but I'm sure it can be misunderstood easily and maybe that's the same with Ziva and the way she is. Do you follow? I don't think she wants to hurt him or act like she is better, it's just her humor, personality and maybe to protect herself from getting hurt, again again... But all I can do is guessing.
Btw it's not because I'm hating Americans I really think you are pretty awesome :) It's just we are so different and sometimes I can't understand you like you can't understand me... :D
Wow - got some anger issues there Caroline? You are entitled to your opinions of course, but I and many others disagree with you. I think if tiva is consummated it will completely and irrevocably change the show. Tony is my favorite, so one might think that I'd be happy at the show focusing on tiva, as I might get more of my favorite. But that's the rub. Tiva is only good for Ziva. Lets face it - as it is the majority of personal dialogue between them is Ziva correcting, instructing, or insulting Tony on some point. Since Ziva makes it quite clear that she considers herself far superior, and Tony to be completely inferior to her, tiva would further reduce the show to an even nastier version of the super Ziva/p whipped and humiliated Tony hour, with a side of moon eyes on occasion. I know I won't get this, because Ziva is obviously considered more important by tptb, but I'd just like to see Tony happy with someone where I don't have to strain to see mutual appreciation.
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