Agree with your comments TDF. Ziva has never been called to the same standard as the others, and yet seems to be more appreciated by Gibbs than anyone else. Many of us don't like how she suddenly replaced Abby as Gibbs favorite and Tony, as his trusted second in command. It started when she betrayed and lied to the team in Seasons 6 and 7, and there has been a poor abused Ziva sub plot going on ever since. That is also when she started getting all the action scenes and Tony suddenly lost his ability to fight. It was all damage control for the mess S. Brennan made of Ziva at the end of season 6. But it hasn't helped. Letting her get away with bad behavior because daddy didn't get her a pony and turning her into a Mary Sue has made many of us fans like the character even less.
From what we know of Gibbs, Tony, Ziva and even Tim,none of them had ideal childhoods, but Ziva is the only one that gets a free pass for all past behavior by her fans.Of course Ziva has never admitted any accountability for any of her actions, so why should her fans? It's this Ziva-is-perfect/Tony-never-does-anything-right-and is-unworthy-of-her attitude that puts many of us off.Ziva is *not* better than Tony, or any other character on the show,and if you feel that way,then why root for "Tiva"?
Of course I wanna see that perfection. Tiva FTW
Tony and Ziva during seasons 3 thru 5 were fun and had tons of chemistry. But they changed Ziva so much starting in season 6,it put me off her. She decided to move on with Rivkin, and at this point apparently decided it best to treat Tony like a piece of gum stuck on the bottom of her shoe.Even after the team,lead by Tony, went to Somalia,despite the horrid way she treated them, and risked their lives, she still treated Tony, and *only* Tony,as if he repulsed her with his very presence. Love? No,actually.
Paula: Well well well you are right maybe her childhood wasn't the worst and others have had worse (like you and I'm sorry for that). But that has absolutely nothing to do with Zivas behavior because her past has only made her to who she is and not other people. Besides she has killed a lot and at some point it will come back to hunt her - that define always who she is and become.
About her father Ziva said once that he has always loved his job more than his children and a child needs attention from the parents or it will maybe grow up to seek the spotlight... Our past and social relations make us to who we are. Actually we don't know when Zivas mother died, maybe Ziva was 10 and then had to take care of her littlesister... I hope we will learn more about Zivas past in season 10.
however people is different and some one can handle more than others. I have some friends who have had a terrible childhood and some of them can handle it today but some of them are really fucked - it depends how strong you are and how bad your childhood was. I don't think Ziva is very strong and she can break (like in Swan Song)and I think/hope the writers will show us something about that because otherwise the Ziva story is a bit thin...
I trust the writers and I'm pretty they have studied how to grow up in a country with war and fights between religions. You can't imagine how that would be if you grow up in the US etc.
I think the whole 'Will they or won't they' is becoming annoying and unrealistic,they have kept it up for too long now. Any couple with that chemistry in real life would have ended up together a long time ago, and the only reason they're not yet together is because it's a tv show. They should either finally put them together or put them with other characters and stop hinting at Tiva all the time.
Yes..yes..yes!!!to Tiva. You don't want to upset me and my friends, do you? We are glued to TV every Tuesday.As soon there are Ziva and Tony looking at each other with lovesick eyes we will do that...There are dozen of crime shows , they all are not bad at all.Like Criminal mind. If I want to watch interesting crime story - here you go - bunch of them. But none of them have Tony and Ziva!
I'm so ready for Tony and Ziva to become a couple, they've been dancing around this for a long, long time now. Tony has taught Ziva that it's ok to act human and express emotion. Ziva has taught Tony that he has a good heart and not be afraid to show it. Neither one are perfect & have made mistakes & will continue to make mistakes, but they've been there for each other through all the good times & bad times. They have such a deep connection, something they've never felt with anybody else. Michael & Cote have done a marvelous job of playing Tony & Ziva. :)
I would stop watching the show if Tony and Ziva get together. UGH
it is time for tony and ziva get together...thi has been long road and tiva fans deserve it and with new point of the life that all ncis team will live later the explosion , they need to find out what they want to their future
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