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I can't believe I'm going to say this, but the crappy writing job since the hiatus is proving M.L. House right. We have had our differences of opinion about this show -- frankly me arguing we have to wait to see the season in its entirety to make a fair assessment. But since Christmas this show has tanked, and this episode was just the latest anchor drawing it down. Samuel was in such a good place as a villain, now he's a jilted lovebird. It is a complete BS storyline that never should have been concocted. It's very disappointing because I still feel the beginning of this season held great promise. But all the shortcomings have come to fruition. It's almost like they have let George Lucas in to write some of this drek -- jumpy storyline, gaping plotholes, no continuity and love stories that are so mundane they make you want to take a spoon to your eyeballs.


Ninefold: there were two kids sitting beside Angela at the funeral, who ostensibly were Nathan's. On the otheer side of them was a lady with black hair wearing a veil. We never got a close shot of her, but I'm guessing she is supposed to be the ex-wife. It wasn't Rena Sofer, who played the character in S1, so that is probably why we didn't get to see her. Also, this same woman (I'm guessing) made a pass in the background at Nathan's wake.


I swear, sometimes I see your recaps and it's like they were written by my 11-year-old son. He had a hard time wrapping his head around how they staged Nathan's death for public consumption, but even he was able to pick up on Peter's rather pointed queries about West, and then asking Claire to call him to meet Peter. Do you guys have to be shown everything?

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cancelled.. ending ideas?

Fare thee wekll, cast and crew of Heroes. You will be missed -- but we saw this one coming with the slipshod writing and crappy storylines in recent years. Wasted potential will be carved into this show's tombstone.

But I will miss it. Very much so.

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Where do you think the show went all wrong?

Interesting topic, with obviously more than one answer. 

My simple response is the writer's strike that prematurely ended S2. It forced a hurried end to a potentially good storyline and altered the direction the show was going to go. However, I fail to understand why the writers/producers/creators chose to go in a different direction. When the strike ended, Heroes could very well have picked up where they wanted it to go: that is the virus being released and, as a parallel storyline, Sylar back on the rampage after getting his powers back. 

That was the first place where the show started to lose people. 

It was a nice attempt at a save to introduce Arthur, but he was completely underutilized, and I will forever hold a grudge against him for killing off Adam and being the tool they used to rob people of their powers. I would hazard a guess, judging by comments on this forum over the years, that the biggest gripe fans of the show have is they took an intriguing character like Peter and then took away all that made him intriguing. Peter and Sylar were the perfect foils for each other -- this show's version of Superman-Luthor or Batman-Joker -- and when the show lost that, it lost a lot of people. To make matters worse, they flirted with the idea that they were family, and then went ahead and made them allies even though Sylar killed Peter's brother. That is, in my opinion, the biggest blunder this show has made.

I didn't mind the idea of making Nathan the bad guy. I found it rather intriguing, and felt the show was getting back on track. What screwed it up was Sylar waffling between good and bad. The character was at its best as a mysterious bad guy in the shadows, and the show has lacked that element since S1. 

Samuel was another wasted opportunity. This last season was humming along nicely -- until they hit the Christmas break. The story got real weak after Christmas, and they essentially ruined the Samuel character by making him a jilted lover. Puh-Leeze. 

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plots for season 5

Here's a thought for S5 that takes the show truly back to its roots.

Back in S1, Primatech was rounding up people with abilities, tagging them, observing them, wiping their memories and then releasing them -- ostensibly keeping tabs on them through the tags each of them got. It is conceivable that this database still exists. We know it exists in hardcopy, as HRG had some files, and Samuel stole them. This would be valuable info, especially in the wrong hands. Samuel didn't use it effectively, but somebody else could.

One of the story threads would be a serial killer -- with all the victims having one thing in common: special abilities. The police would be unable to make this connection, but HRG and/or Angela would. We would have no idea who the killer is -- a silent, unknown stalker using The Company's files against it. Yes, we saw this with Sylar in S1 and even with Adam in S2, but that was good television. remember the mystery and intrigue in S2 when all the fans were posting theories on who was killing off the original members of The Company? A good argument could be made that the Sylar character was at its best before Zachary Quinto was put in the role. Nothing against Quinto as he is a great actor, but the character worked best when he was a man wearing a hat standing in the shaodws.

Another thread would have the characters trying to deal with Claire's public revalation. Some will try to hide their abilities to avoid the scutiny that would certainly follow -- I'm thinking Parkman here. Others, new characters inclined to use their powers for their own gain, figure to take advantage of what they can do and wreak havoc. This forces our main characters — Peter, Hiro, Ando, Claire (trying to atone for her mistakes -- again) and, yes, even Sylar — to work together to try and restore some order to a world suddenly gone insane. This would be a good time to bring back some old favourites like Micah and Molly.

I know parts of this are repetitive -- particularly the serial killer storyline where people with abilities are targets -- but I have come to the conclusion that where the show has fallen short in the last few seasons is the lack of intrigue and mystery. It has to get that back.

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