Cat: The image of Ethan's mother reaching out? I saw something similar in my NDE. Ivan: I thought you said you don't recognize her. Cat: I don't, but I saw my son reaching out to me. Ethan saw his mother. In many of the accounts of NDEs, people talk about seeing loved ones. Ivan: So you think we could be looking at Ethan's NDE. Cat: Maybe, except Ethan didn't have a NEAR death experience. When Will reached out to me, that's when I came back. But... Ivan: Ethan didn't. Ethan kept going. Ethan went all the way. He crossed over.