Heroes Review: "The Art of Deception" Comments (Page 2)
39 Comments
iloveHRG
January 27th, 2010 3:54 AM
I am so agree with Dan!
Just stop complaining!
It is a great series!
I'd rather stuck all day watching Heroes than Glee or Vampire Diaries!!
Stupid tvfanatic!
JettaFlair
January 27th, 2010 12:05 AM
The only sucking is coming from the people saying the show isn't doing well, accepting the mediocrity fed to them by Kring and then blasting House for commenting on the mediocrity of the show.
Grow up and stop ganging up on the site. If you don't like it you can always go somewhere else, that's the beauty of the internet.
I personally haven't agreed with what House always wrote in the past, and I don't agree with all the points he's recently made, but this obnoxious trolling is worse that anything you all perceive as "bellyaching".
Jarom
January 27th, 2010 12:00 AM
Sorry bout all the typos btw. My iPhone is set for auto spell check and I didn't feel like going back and correcting all of them.
Jarom
January 26th, 2010 11:58 PM
I agree with most other people. M.l.house, you suck. You can write any reviews that at good. You say the show is going downhill but so far I think the show has been really good. Granted, tere are se definite loopholes. But why show doesn't have that. You can't expect the show to be perfect. I thought that this episode was one of the more intersing ones. But not one of the best. I personallyblike last weeks episode when hiro was fighting Adam Monroe. It was epic to see hiro fight his one true nemisis. And sylar and Peter aren't trappe in an alternate dimension. They are trapped in sylar mind. Like how Maury parkman trapped Molly and matt in her mind. I though that was rather obvious. Sylar can't escape it because he doesn't have matts power. But peter does an he's going to break them out next week. The only problem I see with the series is that they won't be able to complete the series with the epic battle between Peter and sylar that was behind the closed doo in "five years gone" in th
I've had it with your bellyaching, House. I'm sticking with other sites for my Heroes discussions. Off to TV Buddy.
Chuck
January 26th, 2010 8:59 PM
I want the old heroesfanatic site back. A. Hiro's reviews were the best!
Pete
January 26th, 2010 7:00 PM
Honestly, with all the episodes that have passed, you don't know what the real plan is?
All signs point to Samuel gathering specials so he can rip the earth and create an area/homeland purely for people with abilities. It's been hinted at several times through a variety of scenes.
Nikki
January 26th, 2010 5:22 PM
Before I make any comments about the show, I have to say that I actually look forward to reading this review every week, even if it is negative, because a lot of it is true, and even when I disagree its still comical. I think the reviewer makes several good points and it makes me look at the episode from a view other than someone who loves the show.
Heroes has definitely not been that amazing this season, but I still watch it because I like the show and I want to know what happens next. I'm still tired of Gretchen. I'm tired of not knowing what the real plan is, but I am very much hoping that somewhere in the next 2 episodes it will come together.
Pete
January 26th, 2010 5:12 PM
Worst review I've read in a while regarding any TV series.
Is this reviewer even watching the same show I'm watching? I thought this was the best episode this season and this is coming from a hardcore fan of the show since the very first episode of Heroes.
To me, it appears you went into this review looking for things to hate on and knew right off the bat before you watched the episode, that that's what you were going to do.
I think this reviewer needs to stick to reviewing shows he actually pays attention to or find another "job".
Dylan
January 26th, 2010 5:01 PM
hmm i wonder why HRG wants to take take samuel...
--first thing--a lot of people died or were injured, including himself, because samuel sent one of his own out to get a compass
--Samuel killed people in a mansion
--Samuel sent a member of his carnival, becky, to tamper with Claire's life--becky ends up trying to kill HRG, samuel makes it out that HRG is the enemy and turn claire again him
--samuel constantly explains that he and HRG have more history together than is known
--Samuel's power can increase to world-destroying proportions if he is surrounded by enough special---something that is growing increasingly real
--samuel killed a lot of people when he collapsed a police station
(unknown to HRG samuel also killed joseph and for a while mohinder)
--samuel killed more than 200 people when he collapsed an entire town
--samuel kidnapped a girl and ripped open a city street against HRG
--samuel sent eli to attack/steal files from HRG's apartment
--etc etc
so mr qualifie
Passing Through
January 26th, 2010 3:14 PM
Reviewer, what is wrong with you? Everyone seems to love this episode except you. Why don't you go write reviews for I-hate-TV-Shows.com?
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2010 2:16 PM
Ok, Michael, let's assume all you said is true: who cares? So... Samuel isn't a nice guy. Has anyone been in danger all season long? Has he actually done anything? Aren't there plenty of bad people in the world?
By trying to "collect" Peter, Hiro, Claire and Emma, did the show not imply Samuel was building up to something involving these heroes? So the question remains: What on earth was that something?
derekaharkins@gmail.com
January 26th, 2010 2:02 PM
Things I agree about: Yes, there wasn't good enough build up to the Sylar situation, and I suppose we still don't know what Samuel really wants.
However, Matt trapping Sylar in the basement was actually a good choice. He didn't have to cart the body out, and as far as he knows at this point, there is no way to get out of the "nightmares" he can create. And, with Sylar being immortal, he would be trapped in this coma forever. He would not come out of it, he would not die and create a stench. He'd just be there. Of course, that's not gonna work out, but his choice makes sense.
And the rest of your complaints are just kind of silly. HRG attacked the carnival because *gasp* he knows somewhat the Samuel has a plan, is dangerous, and is violent. He's trying to stop something bad (whatever that is) from happening. Just because we don't know doesn't mean he doesn't have some idea.
And as for Claire... umm... it's completely in the nature of her character to want to warn them.
Michael
January 26th, 2010 12:58 PM
Obviously the reviewer has no idea what they are talking about and doesn't watch the show carefully. Samuel's evil goes way beyond rejection from his lover. He genuinely does want to create a world where his family can be safe and accepted. All his life he has been shunned and faced contempt from society. He was the son of the hired help at some mansion, then he starts a circus where people with powers can be more open but are still looked down on by society. And since he is a megalomaniac, he feels the only way his people can truly live freely is to kill people that don't accept them. He also has more selfish motives as he covets power and gains more power when people with abilities gather around him. This is another reason why he wanted to gather as many people with powers around him, including Claire. And the reason he forced Hiro to work for him was pretty clearly laid out. He needed Hiro to go back in time and retrieve the film that explains the true nature of his powers that Mohi
Guest
January 26th, 2010 12:30 PM
Perhaps the answer to Matt's dilemma would have been the following introduction: Sylar, Haitian. Haitian, Sylar. (Go deep.)
Anyone think Peter has been collecting powers since his brother's death b/c he's "open" again? Like saying Claire's is one to hold onto, but then immediately seeking flight. (How did he get to Parkman's house?) On the other hand, maybe he's still one power at a time, which leads to..
One theory I've heard that's interesting is what if the Sylar in the dream is Peter inside Sylar's body--maybe that's the only way he & Sylar can regain consciousness from Matt's hell. And Peter comes back in Sylar's multi-super-powered body to handle the situation (could Sylar perhaps wake up in Peter's one power at a time body? Certainly could solve his problem--less temptation; while Peter, in Sylar's body, would have the powers he needs to help others; kind of a reverse Sylathan.)
I don't know. I'm trying to pull intrigue out of character minutia because as noted
Nick
January 26th, 2010 12:12 PM
loved what you had to say, datanant. I fully agree with your statements! Hopefully Heroes will be this gripping the rest of the way.
JettaFlair
January 26th, 2010 11:59 AM
I agree, this episode would have been great earlier in the season. It was satisfactory, if uneventful, up to and until Parkman decided to trap Sylar behind a wall. The twist during the shooting wasn't bad and still proves Samuel to be a wicked and selfish person. We still have no idea of what he wants to do, other than keep all the unwittingly happy carnies around for power for some hidden goal.
Part of me thinks that the puppetteer makes Emma play the violin destructively for Samuel to kill either a lot of people or the Heroes that were caught at the carnival. Sylar will show some compassion and perhaps some Heroes will stay dead. I'm just uninspired to think of anything else.
Heroes, is doing horribly this season. I only watch to see how poorly it is going to end. There is something about my seeing this season to the end after so many episodes.
The reviews on this site are fair and hard. They have also been fair and admiring. Again, much respect to those of us with s
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2010 10:50 AM
I'm happy to answer, Dan, and thank you for the comments:
- Correct, there's no time travel... but there is Peter and Sylar is some weird alternate dimension. And it's already been confirmed that Hiro will travel to find Charlie again. So that mess is far from over.
- People are dying? You mean Lydia, perhaps the most useless character ever on the show? Consider her prominence this season and then compare it to her pointlessness: her tattoos told Samuel what to do. She sort of had problems with him, but never did anything about it. She was there to simply move the narrative along, nothing but a plot device with no personality and no actual action.
- Are you actually excited about Tracy coming back? I never asked for that; I complained about how the show never killed off stupid characters, yet kept them around sporadically and thought viewers would still care.
- No Mohinder only makes the episode where Hiro broke him out of the asylum even more of a waste of time. What on earth was
datanant
January 26th, 2010 10:49 AM
sylar is in a "coma". it doesn't matter where he is buried in, he cant break out of it (at least without peter's interference). the only reason why it would matter is if he's buried in a place where other people can find him. if people find him they're gonna do their best to get him out of the "coma". so why not bury sylar in your own home where u can make sure he is never found as long as you continue staying there? by the way, he was made completely powerless by parkman before he was buried and parkman already read sylar's mind, knowing that he does indeed want to be normal. im sure he's no longer the world's biggest villain after all that right?
the reason driving peter to save sylar is simple. he loves emma, either as a friend or smth more, more than he hates sylar. after all u associate peter with love, not hate. and having understood her pain, struggles, and good-willed nature, cannot bear to let her be the cause of destruction of that magnitude. angela's dreams are usually a
Dan
January 26th, 2010 10:41 AM
Ive kind of had it with this site blasting Heroes. This is one of the best sites and to be honest i usually don't completely disagree with what they say about the show, it HAS been weird and a little slow moving. But honestly as i watched last nights AMAZING episode i thought "wow i wonder if all that complaining from tvfanatic got through to them" and you people are STILL not happy...
-no more time travel like you wanted
-people are actually dying and getting shot and in real danger
-tracy is coming back (like it or not when shes actually there shes a great character)
-little to no mohinder
-parkman grew a backbone and fought back with sylar with the best weapon he has - his powers.
honestly tvfanatic....what the hell more do you want from a show thats already given you everything you complained it was missing?
Guest
January 26th, 2010 10:29 AM
Claire is just stupid and thank God Gretchen is finally seeing thru Claire's hypocracy and whinyness!!!!
Picazo Rank: Recurring Character
January 26th, 2010 10:14 AM
@ M.L. House: "Did Samuel leave Emma a compass?" Yes he did that how she was able to find him.
Forecaster
January 26th, 2010 9:45 AM
at Says: Sylar wouldnt smell cause sylar cant die - he left sylar with his powers he said - so not hunger or thrist. But still - ridiculous. Oh, and I thought HRGs girlfriend was an FBI agent. She wasnt very tough in that situation.
Picazo Rank: Recurring Character
January 26th, 2010 9:40 AM
Finally A good episode this time I am more than happy to say that Heroes delivered,
I think that Parkman trapping Sylar in his biggest nightmare was nice, the idea of burring him on his basement not so much, I look at it this way Sylar gave Matt a second change and he blew it now the next time they confront won’t be to have a late Lunch again. Peter been able to take Matt Abilities Awesome loved that part.
I can understand Peter hate Sylar for killing his brother, but if this person can save many other lives why not let him.
I was glad that Tracy was included in this episode looks like she will be on the next one as well where was Hiro and Ando missed them?
Over all I enjoy this episode however I do agree with some people here this could have happened way earlier in the season and then the show would have been NICER!!!! I feel like this season dragged from beginning till now.
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2010 9:06 AM
Very good point, "posting as guest." This episode would have at least been better way earlier in the season.
Did Samuel leave Emma a compass? I thought he left Peter a compass in his arm, and Emma the cello Peter destroyed? Even if Samuel did leave Emma a compass, how did she actually know to go to the carnival?
You can't just gloss over details such as that, Heroes.
Sylar: I can't bring Nathan back Peter, but I can sure as Hell swing a sledgehammer.
January 27th, 2010 3:54 AM
I am so agree with Dan!
Just stop complaining!
It is a great series!
I'd rather stuck all day watching Heroes than Glee or Vampire Diaries!!
Stupid tvfanatic!
January 27th, 2010 12:05 AM
The only sucking is coming from the people saying the show isn't doing well, accepting the mediocrity fed to them by Kring and then blasting House for commenting on the mediocrity of the show.
Grow up and stop ganging up on the site. If you don't like it you can always go somewhere else, that's the beauty of the internet.
I personally haven't agreed with what House always wrote in the past, and I don't agree with all the points he's recently made, but this obnoxious trolling is worse that anything you all perceive as "bellyaching".
January 27th, 2010 12:00 AM
Sorry bout all the typos btw. My iPhone is set for auto spell check and I didn't feel like going back and correcting all of them.
January 26th, 2010 11:58 PM
I agree with most other people. M.l.house, you suck. You can write any reviews that at good. You say the show is going downhill but so far I think the show has been really good. Granted, tere are se definite loopholes. But why show doesn't have that. You can't expect the show to be perfect. I thought that this episode was one of the more intersing ones. But not one of the best. I personallyblike last weeks episode when hiro was fighting Adam Monroe. It was epic to see hiro fight his one true nemisis. And sylar and Peter aren't trappe in an alternate dimension. They are trapped in sylar mind. Like how Maury parkman trapped Molly and matt in her mind. I though that was rather obvious. Sylar can't escape it because he doesn't have matts power. But peter does an he's going to break them out next week. The only problem I see with the series is that they won't be able to complete the series with the epic battle between Peter and sylar that was behind the closed doo in "five years gone" in th
Rank: Extra
January 26th, 2010 11:31 PM
I've had it with your bellyaching, House. I'm sticking with other sites for my Heroes discussions. Off to TV Buddy.
January 26th, 2010 8:59 PM
I want the old heroesfanatic site back. A. Hiro's reviews were the best!
January 26th, 2010 7:00 PM
Honestly, with all the episodes that have passed, you don't know what the real plan is?
All signs point to Samuel gathering specials so he can rip the earth and create an area/homeland purely for people with abilities. It's been hinted at several times through a variety of scenes.
January 26th, 2010 5:22 PM
Before I make any comments about the show, I have to say that I actually look forward to reading this review every week, even if it is negative, because a lot of it is true, and even when I disagree its still comical. I think the reviewer makes several good points and it makes me look at the episode from a view other than someone who loves the show.
Heroes has definitely not been that amazing this season, but I still watch it because I like the show and I want to know what happens next. I'm still tired of Gretchen. I'm tired of not knowing what the real plan is, but I am very much hoping that somewhere in the next 2 episodes it will come together.
January 26th, 2010 5:12 PM
Worst review I've read in a while regarding any TV series.
Is this reviewer even watching the same show I'm watching? I thought this was the best episode this season and this is coming from a hardcore fan of the show since the very first episode of Heroes.
To me, it appears you went into this review looking for things to hate on and knew right off the bat before you watched the episode, that that's what you were going to do.
I think this reviewer needs to stick to reviewing shows he actually pays attention to or find another "job".
January 26th, 2010 5:01 PM
hmm i wonder why HRG wants to take take samuel...
--first thing--a lot of people died or were injured, including himself, because samuel sent one of his own out to get a compass
--Samuel killed people in a mansion
--Samuel sent a member of his carnival, becky, to tamper with Claire's life--becky ends up trying to kill HRG, samuel makes it out that HRG is the enemy and turn claire again him
--samuel constantly explains that he and HRG have more history together than is known
--Samuel's power can increase to world-destroying proportions if he is surrounded by enough special---something that is growing increasingly real
--samuel killed a lot of people when he collapsed a police station
(unknown to HRG samuel also killed joseph and for a while mohinder)
--samuel killed more than 200 people when he collapsed an entire town
--samuel kidnapped a girl and ripped open a city street against HRG
--samuel sent eli to attack/steal files from HRG's apartment
--etc etc
so mr qualifie
January 26th, 2010 3:14 PM
Reviewer, what is wrong with you? Everyone seems to love this episode except you. Why don't you go write reviews for I-hate-TV-Shows.com?
Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2010 2:16 PM
Ok, Michael, let's assume all you said is true: who cares? So... Samuel isn't a nice guy. Has anyone been in danger all season long? Has he actually done anything? Aren't there plenty of bad people in the world?
By trying to "collect" Peter, Hiro, Claire and Emma, did the show not imply Samuel was building up to something involving these heroes? So the question remains: What on earth was that something?
January 26th, 2010 2:02 PM
Things I agree about: Yes, there wasn't good enough build up to the Sylar situation, and I suppose we still don't know what Samuel really wants.
However, Matt trapping Sylar in the basement was actually a good choice. He didn't have to cart the body out, and as far as he knows at this point, there is no way to get out of the "nightmares" he can create. And, with Sylar being immortal, he would be trapped in this coma forever. He would not come out of it, he would not die and create a stench. He'd just be there. Of course, that's not gonna work out, but his choice makes sense.
And the rest of your complaints are just kind of silly. HRG attacked the carnival because *gasp* he knows somewhat the Samuel has a plan, is dangerous, and is violent. He's trying to stop something bad (whatever that is) from happening. Just because we don't know doesn't mean he doesn't have some idea.
And as for Claire... umm... it's completely in the nature of her character to want to warn them.
January 26th, 2010 12:58 PM
Obviously the reviewer has no idea what they are talking about and doesn't watch the show carefully. Samuel's evil goes way beyond rejection from his lover. He genuinely does want to create a world where his family can be safe and accepted. All his life he has been shunned and faced contempt from society. He was the son of the hired help at some mansion, then he starts a circus where people with powers can be more open but are still looked down on by society. And since he is a megalomaniac, he feels the only way his people can truly live freely is to kill people that don't accept them. He also has more selfish motives as he covets power and gains more power when people with abilities gather around him. This is another reason why he wanted to gather as many people with powers around him, including Claire. And the reason he forced Hiro to work for him was pretty clearly laid out. He needed Hiro to go back in time and retrieve the film that explains the true nature of his powers that Mohi
January 26th, 2010 12:30 PM
Perhaps the answer to Matt's dilemma would have been the following introduction: Sylar, Haitian. Haitian, Sylar. (Go deep.)
Anyone think Peter has been collecting powers since his brother's death b/c he's "open" again? Like saying Claire's is one to hold onto, but then immediately seeking flight. (How did he get to Parkman's house?) On the other hand, maybe he's still one power at a time, which leads to..
One theory I've heard that's interesting is what if the Sylar in the dream is Peter inside Sylar's body--maybe that's the only way he & Sylar can regain consciousness from Matt's hell. And Peter comes back in Sylar's multi-super-powered body to handle the situation (could Sylar perhaps wake up in Peter's one power at a time body? Certainly could solve his problem--less temptation; while Peter, in Sylar's body, would have the powers he needs to help others; kind of a reverse Sylathan.)
I don't know. I'm trying to pull intrigue out of character minutia because as noted
January 26th, 2010 12:12 PM
loved what you had to say, datanant. I fully agree with your statements! Hopefully Heroes will be this gripping the rest of the way.
January 26th, 2010 11:59 AM
I agree, this episode would have been great earlier in the season. It was satisfactory, if uneventful, up to and until Parkman decided to trap Sylar behind a wall. The twist during the shooting wasn't bad and still proves Samuel to be a wicked and selfish person. We still have no idea of what he wants to do, other than keep all the unwittingly happy carnies around for power for some hidden goal.
Part of me thinks that the puppetteer makes Emma play the violin destructively for Samuel to kill either a lot of people or the Heroes that were caught at the carnival. Sylar will show some compassion and perhaps some Heroes will stay dead. I'm just uninspired to think of anything else.
Heroes, is doing horribly this season. I only watch to see how poorly it is going to end. There is something about my seeing this season to the end after so many episodes.
The reviews on this site are fair and hard. They have also been fair and admiring. Again, much respect to those of us with s
Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2010 10:50 AM
I'm happy to answer, Dan, and thank you for the comments:
- Correct, there's no time travel... but there is Peter and Sylar is some weird alternate dimension. And it's already been confirmed that Hiro will travel to find Charlie again. So that mess is far from over.
- People are dying? You mean Lydia, perhaps the most useless character ever on the show? Consider her prominence this season and then compare it to her pointlessness: her tattoos told Samuel what to do. She sort of had problems with him, but never did anything about it. She was there to simply move the narrative along, nothing but a plot device with no personality and no actual action.
- Are you actually excited about Tracy coming back? I never asked for that; I complained about how the show never killed off stupid characters, yet kept them around sporadically and thought viewers would still care.
- No Mohinder only makes the episode where Hiro broke him out of the asylum even more of a waste of time. What on earth was
January 26th, 2010 10:49 AM
sylar is in a "coma". it doesn't matter where he is buried in, he cant break out of it (at least without peter's interference). the only reason why it would matter is if he's buried in a place where other people can find him. if people find him they're gonna do their best to get him out of the "coma". so why not bury sylar in your own home where u can make sure he is never found as long as you continue staying there? by the way, he was made completely powerless by parkman before he was buried and parkman already read sylar's mind, knowing that he does indeed want to be normal. im sure he's no longer the world's biggest villain after all that right?
the reason driving peter to save sylar is simple. he loves emma, either as a friend or smth more, more than he hates sylar. after all u associate peter with love, not hate. and having understood her pain, struggles, and good-willed nature, cannot bear to let her be the cause of destruction of that magnitude. angela's dreams are usually a
January 26th, 2010 10:41 AM
Ive kind of had it with this site blasting Heroes. This is one of the best sites and to be honest i usually don't completely disagree with what they say about the show, it HAS been weird and a little slow moving. But honestly as i watched last nights AMAZING episode i thought "wow i wonder if all that complaining from tvfanatic got through to them" and you people are STILL not happy...
-no more time travel like you wanted
-people are actually dying and getting shot and in real danger
-tracy is coming back (like it or not when shes actually there shes a great character)
-little to no mohinder
-parkman grew a backbone and fought back with sylar with the best weapon he has - his powers.
honestly tvfanatic....what the hell more do you want from a show thats already given you everything you complained it was missing?
January 26th, 2010 10:29 AM
Claire is just stupid and thank God Gretchen is finally seeing thru Claire's hypocracy and whinyness!!!!
Rank: Recurring Character
January 26th, 2010 10:14 AM
@ M.L. House: "Did Samuel leave Emma a compass?" Yes he did that how she was able to find him.
January 26th, 2010 9:45 AM
at Says: Sylar wouldnt smell cause sylar cant die - he left sylar with his powers he said - so not hunger or thrist. But still - ridiculous. Oh, and I thought HRGs girlfriend was an FBI agent. She wasnt very tough in that situation.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 26th, 2010 9:40 AM
Finally A good episode this time I am more than happy to say that Heroes delivered,
I think that Parkman trapping Sylar in his biggest nightmare was nice, the idea of burring him on his basement not so much, I look at it this way Sylar gave Matt a second change and he blew it now the next time they confront won’t be to have a late Lunch again. Peter been able to take Matt Abilities Awesome loved that part.
I can understand Peter hate Sylar for killing his brother, but if this person can save many other lives why not let him.
I was glad that Tracy was included in this episode looks like she will be on the next one as well where was Hiro and Ando missed them?
Over all I enjoy this episode however I do agree with some people here this could have happened way earlier in the season and then the show would have been NICER!!!! I feel like this season dragged from beginning till now.
Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2010 9:06 AM
Very good point, "posting as guest." This episode would have at least been better way earlier in the season.
Did Samuel leave Emma a compass? I thought he left Peter a compass in his arm, and Emma the cello Peter destroyed? Even if Samuel did leave Emma a compass, how did she actually know to go to the carnival?
You can't just gloss over details such as that, Heroes.