Glee > That's Rich: A Kurt Assessment of Glee > Comments Page 2
I agree that Glee is dropping the ball with the bullying storyline. As soon as Karofsky was revealed to be a closet homosexual I think the story was diminished. This is an important story with everything that is in the news right now. Glee is in a place where they can tell an important story and it seems that they are shying away from an important story for the sake of a musical number or a laugh. They are better than that.
I have to agree with you. There are many instances where bullying has been overlooked. However the real issue here is how completely useless Will has become. I feel like he's become the Rufus/Vanessa of glee (okay maybe not vanessa) but he is almost deserving of his own useless scale in the glee round table. It's as if he's become the spokesperson for global issues.
I've given up on glee making any sense, one day bullying is terrible and the next the club is bashing rachel? Kurt? And the comment rachel made to santanna Tuesday was ridiculous...
Regarding your saying: I had someone in defense of Glee's mixed messages say to me "There's a night and day difference between getting a slushie in the face, or being thrown in a dumpster and actually having your life threatened." To that I say "Tell that to the kid on the receiving end of any of it."
I guess you've never had your life threatened by anyone you might think meant it. I'm ugly (and if I ever wanted to consider it might not be so bad to be so ugly, my school mates certainly made sure such thoughts were fleeting at the very best). I don't want to go on there, but figure you get the point.
I've also mostly been a manager/supervisor anywhere I've worked. Meaning ... I've also had my life threatened 4 times I can recall off the top of my head -- once by somebody I fired who I didn't take seriously, once by a friend who only said he'd kill me if I ever became famous (and he was crazy enough to give me pause), once by someone who pulled a knife w
I'm glad that this appears here and the bullying issue and how Glee is handling it isn't going away. Thanks for keeping the conversation going!
But then, I do think they've been a bit realistic in the way Kurt doesn't fight every battle there is (like sit in the stands knowing he's not going to say anything even if he imagines what he might say) -- and they've stressed how he doesn't stand up for himself at every opportunity in conversations with his father. It could be a lot of it is the actor's take (and one more reason he deserves the awards he gets), but I also think the writers/producers also are aware that most of the time when people are bullied, they try very hard not to do anything that will goad the bully into even worse.
I disagree, as much as Glee is trying to get across the impact of bullying, its just a show. While I can respect the fact that it does have a cultural impact it is not a public service announcment, it is meant for entertainment and Ryan Murphy and the writers came up with this particular storyline because this is what happens in certain cases. You can't expect them to try and portray every type of bullying situation. Again it is just a show meant to be watched and enjoyed.
Lol. A tad long sorry :)
I respectively disagree somewhat Matt. I'm feeling a lot of angst from you towards the Kurt/ Karofsky storyline :) And although I agree there has been a heavy focus on it, has been handle delicately and that Kurt didn't seem to mind Karofsky dancing with the Glee club, I think that there is a realism to the way the writers have handled the situation. Kurt seems to be a much stronger, independent and gathered individual since being at Dalton. I'm sure he by no means likes Dave or would befriend him but I'm hoping that the writers perhaps are trying to show growth in Kurt's character. If not, then yes, they are hopeless :) Here's me hoping that, that is what they were trying to present at the football game.
I also disagree with your point of bullying only being addressed through gay bullying. :) I think that you make a tad ridiculous argument. I hope we're watching the same show but I can recall countless episodes with bullying being addressed (other than that of Dave/ Kurt) whilst als
i agree with this..the way rachel is treated by most of the other members of glee is completely ignored and yes she is annoyed but it goes way too far sometimes. artie being ganged up on was horrible. and it made no sense that kurt would stand there watching the people/person who made his life hell whilst singing away happily. i think the root of these problems comes down to the writers failure to maintain consistency and evenness in their storytelling, instead leaping from one 'big issue' to the next, using bullying as a comic device in some cases and to ram home a message in the case of kurt, who is clearly a favourite
I think when the show began they wanted to show that the Glle vluc was supposed to be this dorky, uncool thing to do and they did by showing forms of bullying the members.
I don't believe they neccessarily itnended on makign bullying a major part of the show. I think that they received a lot of feedback from the public really liking Kurt's character and they wanted to delve deeper into his life. I think, as someone pointed out before, that because many of the writers and people working on the show are gay so this is an easier topic for them to handle.
It's never really bothered me because it's worked for the show in creating so many different layers. By focusing on Kurt's storyline they were able to spin all of the stuff with Kurt and Finn and their parents getting together. I adore Burt Hummell and their relationship and I've loved seeing him stand up for Kurt in so many ways. The trouble Kurt's had with Karofsky has worked in with the relationship he has with Finn. We've seen
@SuperIdole: You seem to have corrected yourself in the end, but I wasn't asking what Kurt should do. It's an overall take on how the show has handled a sensitive, pressing topic: so far, it's made bullying solely a gay-on-gay issue, and it redeemed Karosfky - in the eyes of Will and Finn, at least - without him showing an ounce of remorse.
Thanks, Matt for addressing this. It's irritated me for some time, as my Twitter followers are well aware. Kurt was getting bullied WELL before Karofsky started in on him; he was getting dumpstered, swirlies from Puck, slushied etc. And it was all played to comic effect. But once the sad news of real life teens committing suicide because of being bullied, Glee makes a 180 and tries to portray the bullying of a gay teen seriously, though as you so well point out they've botched that too. Even still, Glee's popularity and visibility has increased because playing on the heightened emotions of its target demographic which I think is incredibly sad and opportunistic.
I had someone in defense of Glee's mixed messages say to me "There's a night and day difference between getting a slushie in the face, or being thrown in a dumpster and actually having your life threatened." To that I say "Tell that to the kid on the receiving end of any of it."
Glee USED to be a fun show about the lit
But I agree that bullying on the show shouldn't only be focuse and taking care of for gay only.
maybe Kurt didn't see Karoski dancing. I mean they were many students on the ground with smoke all around. Even us, when the plan was large, we couln't really identify who was who. And I have to ask another question: why did you want Kurt to do???
Karovski joined for wrong and selfish reasons but nothing prevented him to do so...
And they could also be spreading the idea of forgiveness, I don't know. Ok Karovski totally DON'T deserve it, for now anyway. But does this mean that his whole life, when/if he decides to change is behavior, he should still be judge on his past actions??
Well I really don't think the writers push it that far, it's only me anylising^^
everything to say that I wasn't bother with this non reaction of Kurt and how the story was handle. I mean, it would have been very bad if all of a sudden Karovski made amends and joined ND (as Finn naïvely though xD)
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