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Emma: What am I suppose to tell Henry? Regina: Tell him that in the end it wasn't too late for me to do the right thing.
May 15th, 2012 10:25 AM
if he saw the future, he would have seen that Pinocchio climbed in the wardrobe and would have known who August is, he would have seen Belle and that she was alive, and would have seen this world before he entered it,
August case was explained by august himself - Rumple wanted him to be bae so much that he ignored every warning he himself knew.
And Bae and Belle are connected to him. And in most of cases one can't see his own futures.
It has been alluded more than once that Rumple can see future.
May 15th, 2012 10:23 AM
Rumple never saw any future,
Erm, yes he did. He knew when to come to certain events, he knew he would be imprisoned by Cinderella, etc. In the first episode its outright stated that "he can see into the future".
Yes IT WAS his plan EVERYTHING WAS HIS PLAN down to one twin dieing and other having to take his place. The thing is that such a plan of centuries of length, would be impossible without seeing into future.
He saw the possibilities of future and he planned accordingly, so everything would fall into place exactly as he wants. There has not been even one event in this show he did not plan or foresee.
May 15th, 2012 10:21 AM
I think love will eventually triumph in this show, if the creators can end it on their own terms. But I think both Regina and Gold will be vanquished, as a consequence. I can see both of them in the end, just as Voldemort was at the conclusion of the Harry Potter saga: shriveled souls completely alone and utterly miserable. A tragic end brought on by their refusal of love.
can't see that.
Regina is clearly set up to have a redemption arc. Especially after the whole frienemies interaction with Emma this episode and getting demoted to secondary villain. She is essentially Emma's FOIL, sure, but this episode proved that she is not beyond redemption.
May 15th, 2012 10:19 AM
1. When Emma touched the book she got all those visions. Was that because what happened to Henry made it easier for her to believe in magic and the book was just a final step, or was it because this was actually the first time she held the book?
The former.
Henry eating the pie and falling down was the pebble that broke the dam. She stopped denying and in that moment, book allowed her to see those memories.
May 15th, 2012 10:17 AM
I agree with the blue fairy thing too. It would be silly for her to miss a chance of eliminating the Dark One curse and even giving up such a rare thing instead.
Or she wanted to manipulate Rumple into creating the curse to begin with :)
May 15th, 2012 8:48 AM
Loved the finale. So happy for the Rumple/Belle reunion. Let's not forget that Emma still owes Mr. Gold a favor. Can't wait to see what he's going to ask for!
May 15th, 2012 7:16 AM
LOVE THE FINALE!! AMAZING!!!!!!!
I hope the writers will keep up the good one and season 2 will be as good as season1 if not greater. Because, most of the series that i watch, season 1 is always the best and it went downhill from season 2 (e.g. TVD, GG).
I do feel like it's a bit rushed and was hoping it was a 2 hour finale instead. However, i'm sort of glad they didn't because I don't want the possibility of a 2 hour boring and slow episode. I can't wait for Season 2!!!
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May 15th, 2012 5:00 AM
@Bored Now.
Rumple never saw any future, the reason he new what was coming was because it was his carefully laid out plan. he made Snow's and Charming's child the Saviour because he was the one to create the curse in the first place. he used a drop of their true love as a safe switch (an insurance). everything else was a matter of careful planning, being smart and knowing your enemies and people u use, then carefully manipulating everything and vaguely know the possible consequences because he is so powerful, he can imagine what price there is to pay for this magic. that is why he never performed the curse himself but used Regina to do it. if he saw the future, he would have seen that Pinocchio climbed in the wardrobe and would have known who August is, he would have seen Belle and that she was alive, and would have seen this world before he entered it, so he wouldn't be so terrified of it when his son fell through.
May 15th, 2012 4:37 AM
Will Mr Gold start calling people in Storybrook "dearie" now he has his mojo, I mean magic, back?
May 15th, 2012 2:01 AM
"Eluded", not "alluded".
May 15th, 2012 12:23 AM
I think love will eventually triumph in this show, if the creators can end it on their own terms. But I think both Regina and Gold will be vanquished, as a consequence. I can see both of them in the end, just as Voldemort was at the conclusion of the Harry Potter saga: shriveled souls completely alone and utterly miserable. A tragic end brought on by their refusal of love. Til then, however, they'll wreak havoc.
May 15th, 2012 12:21 AM
(got cut off) Magical power was Regina's means of preventing Snow from having a happy ending with Charming. That was the whole idea of the curse, in the first place. We saw that come to an end with Snow and Charming's reunion in the middle of town. The return of magic gives Regina a new opportunity to thwart their love. That's why she smiled at the oncoming purple fog. Her fundamental character flaw is similar to Rumple's, in that she refuses to experience love. If she did, she would also have to fully accept the pain of losing Daniel. She won't let herself feel that. She's afraid, like Rumple was. So she embraces an inferior substitute to insulate her heart: revenge/hatred. No doubt, in season 2 Regina will concoct some new scheme to thwart Snow and Charming's love (and everyone else's, in the mix). But like Gold, it will also keep herself from love -- it will inevitably perpetuate the wedge that exists between her and Henry. She's a tragic villain, too.
I think love will eventual
May 15th, 2012 12:16 AM
@Liz
Regarding to Emma's visions after holding the book: She has actually held the book before but she only saw the visions that one time because it was the first time she actually believed in the curse. Earlier Pinnochio had shown Emma his wooden leg but her denial in magic and inability to believe completely clouded what she allowed herself to see.
Regarding Pinnochio "dying" and turning to wood: I personally believe that Pinnochio was running out of time, since there was no magic to keep the "enchanted wood" he was made out of filled with magic. It was the Enchanted wood that made him a wooden boy versus a puppet. He turned to solid wood after the magic slowly ran out but won't turn back into a human man until Rump bring the magic to Storybrooke.
Regarding the true loves kiss solving all problems and curses: I really don't think that any true loves kiss would work. Emma was the "chosen one", the only person who was NOT cursed by the Regina and the only one with magic in her
May 14th, 2012 11:49 PM
The entry of magic into "our" world will be both a blessing and curse for Regina and Gold. They will regain their magical power, but this is exactly what prevents them from experiencing the superior power of love. Rumple had the chance to experience this by way of Belle's kiss, but he loved power more. It's what also cost him his son, when he refused to enter a world without magic. His loving reunion with Belle will be short-lived, because his return to power must get in the way of her love for him. And he will probably reunite with Bae in season 2, but that will also end tragically because this is no longer a world without magic. Rumple's character is fundamentally flawed. His first dilemma was that he acted in a cowardly manner during battle. He mistakenly thinks that power is the cure for that. But everyone who ever acts bravely in this show is empowered by love. He will always refuse love. It's what makes him a tragic villain.
Regina is motivated fundamentally by revenge. Magica
May 14th, 2012 10:28 PM
1. When Emma touched the book she got all those visions. Was that because what happened to Henry made it easier for her to believe in magic and the book was just a final step, or was it because this was actually the first time she held the book? I can't remember if she has ever touched the book before.
2. August said that Emma had to break the curse before he "died". Now she has sort of broken it, does this mean he will be back to normal? Or does he have to return to the fairytale land first? Or will Rumpelstiltskin's magic be enough?
May 14th, 2012 10:15 PM
@Aurelia101 I do agree the finale is a bit rushed, I'd appreciate if they can put one more episode. But still everything make sense despite the fact that it all comes so fast. As for the dragon, well Regina did managed to bring all the 'creatures' to Storybrooke into their human form, and Maleficent is a dragon/lady so it makes sense that Regina brought her in her dragon form. And although it seemed dramatic the way Emma killed the dragon, that is actually similiar to the way Prince Philip killed Maleficent in the story 'Sleeping Beauty'. Well, all the connections to these fairy tale story is what makes the series so interesting in the first place ;p
May 14th, 2012 9:30 PM
What can I say? Bravo! Jesus, this series had got me fooled so many times... Rumples is a pure genius, not only did he got us all tricked from episode 1, in the end he actually got almost everything... He got Belle back, and with magic comes to Storybrooke he can now become the Dark One in our world... the only thing left is to find his son..
Although I hate the fact that this means Regina now have all the magic she needs (right after she used her very last one!) to go on with her rage,,, some part of me can count on Rumples revenge on her for what she did to Belle.. let's just hope so.
May 14th, 2012 7:42 PM
now THAT is the way to end a season! OUaT can sometimes be confusing what with the stories going in every direction with no end in sight, but this is what good television is about, bringing a whole confusing season to a satisfying end with a promise of even more magic and evil to come! now that magic back in play, i do hope they find some way to bring back the hunstman/graham(what do we call these people now that they remember?) i think his story with the queen could be something worth exploring, doesnt hurt that he's easy on the eyes too!
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May 14th, 2012 6:58 PM
I don't think that true love's kiss between mother-father/son-daughter works on every case. I think that it's a special thing for Emma as she is "the chosen" or whatever and Henry is the only one she loves right now. If it were really for everyone there would be too much curse-breaking kisses available and that would make curses look kind of dumb. There's a lot of limitation on "true love's kiss" that we learn on every episode and I think this is one of them. On condition that the kisses lose effectivity the curse allows Emma's kisses to be very very powerful. Like with Graham and now Henry. The curse is very powerful after all. Or it's supposed to be. I don't know. It's just my opinion.
I agree with the blue fairy thing too. It would be silly for her to miss a chance of eliminating the Dark One curse and even giving up such a rare thing instead. That's another reason I think this mother/son kiss is a one-time thing. Or an Emma thing.
May 14th, 2012 6:39 PM
The reason true loves kiss worked with Emma/Henry and not Snow/Charming is because Henry knows who he is. Remember, when Emma asked him why didn't the kiss between MM/David break the spell, he said it is because Snow does not know who she is (or maybe he said 'they' don't know who they are). When Emma kissed Henry, they both knew exactly who they were.
May 14th, 2012 6:34 PM
Yes. and its quite interesting that Blue Fairy just conveniently failed to mention that other way of breaking Dark One curse to Bae :)
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May 14th, 2012 5:56 PM
actually what i meant was that any other curse that was performed back in fairytale land, such as rumple becoming the dark one for example, would be able to be broken by a kiss from a parent or child of the subject of this curse. emma was linked to this one so naturally she was the one to break it. but that would mean all it takes to break any curse is just a kiss from a parent to their child.
May 14th, 2012 4:34 PM
also, i wonder, if true love's kiss can also be a kiss from a parent to their child or vice versa, wouldn't that mean that any fairytale character could have broken a curse by being kissed by their parent or child?
It had to be emma, since she is directly connected to the curse.
IT also explains why we have seen Huntsman/Graham regain his memories when they kissed. What happened in this episode was already starting then, but Graham died way before it could escalate, reverting Emma to more denial with his death.
May 14th, 2012 4:33 PM
he really must have predicted it, like he was said to be able to in the pilot. but even then, how did he not see belle?
Because just like it is in most of cases in fairytales and myths and etc, he most likely CAN'T see his own future or those close to him. Thus Bae and Belle were shielded from his powers of seeing into future.
And yeh, everything seemed to be pre-planned, down to the cellphones ringing just as Regina and Emma are about to chase down Gold.
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May 14th, 2012 4:25 PM
I have not read all the comments in detail, but it seems as if I'm (pretty much) alone in disliking the season finale. Everything happened so fast, with too many storylines so that each individual storyline didn't get the time it deserved.
The Rumpelle reunion could have waited until next season. I was really looking forward to that, and having it thrown in with everything else going on gave me a feeling of anticlimax.
And a dragon in Storybrooke? And Emma killing it by throwning a sword at it? It was just too much. I get that they had to throw in something dramatic like that, but it was just too weird.