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Neal as Baelfire wouldn't be very old IF he was also Peter Pan. Emma asked about Neverland when they were in the motel room brainstorming where to move, which might make sense if Neal spent time there and then told stories to Emma about it as if they were just stories. Neal as Peter Pan would nicely relate to Emma as a "lost girl".
Could it be a magic bean in the box? Or that drawing of the dagger?
Neal Cassady was the guy that Jack Kerouac wrote On The Road based on their adventures driving around. America so I am guessing its a made up name which is what I thought when he first said it. But then again it could just be a writers in joke.
I think Neal is BOTH Bae and the White Rabbit! If he is the white rabbit and is connected with Mad Hatter, it explains what was in his apartment that referenced the connection and it could explain him staying young (jumping portals with Mad Hatter, maybe?). Even though Bae left to another portal because he wanted him and his father to be safe from magic, he also grew up and during that time and might have had bad influences change his rational thinking? He is is Fathers son afterall. Maybe when he got the postcard, he was actually back to being a good boy? Maybe what August showed him snapped him back to who he really is?
I'm hoping this is true! I want Bae to be Henrys Father and I think if you add the white rabbit connection it will explain him still being young and it would explain why he was so convinced when he saw what was in Augusts briefcase!
I think why this year seems darker is because we don't always have the characters we like. Like this week we barely saw Charming, Henry and Ruby and Regina, Rumplestiltskin and and Belle were missing. Some dynamics have changed, Henry and Emma are appart, as are Snow and Charming... Like some of you guys I don't like the current fairytale land and I'm not crazy aout the new characters, partly because I want to see storylines with the old characters. Like Ruby, Archie, the blue fairy, Cinderella, King George. I would also love to see some loved ones reunite like Grumpy and Nova (Astrid), Kathryn and Frederick (the school teacher), August (Pinocchio) and his father... I'm afraid they introduced too many new characters too fast.
Truly love this show and this was a good episode that revealed alot about Emmas past in a story that I loved. My favorite episodes tend to be the ones with all the main characters (Emma,Snow, Henry, Charming, Regina, and Gold) so even though this episode didn't have that I enjoyed it due to Hook and the new questions it presents. What was in the box,how did August send that Postcard considering the last time we saw him he was all wood, and what is up with the nightmares? It's gonna be a fun road to find out.
i think this was the saddest episode of OUAT. i felt so bad for emma.
but sit;;, i got mad at her when she left hook with the giant. i like their chemistry
@Enkeli - Assuming Rumple knew the exact date Bae arrives through time, why would he chose to go there *after* Bae arrives and not *before.* He could just have easily figured out Bae's arrival date - 29 years so he allows himself enough time to ensure he is right there when Bae comes through, and he could continue to guide his son to adulthood without any time lost.
I had a lot of the same questions as the reviewer about this episode, though I did enjoy it, especially the part where Emma talked to the giant about how all humans are not the same. I was also glad to see that Mary Margaret/Snow was not about to go anywhere without her daughter! Good for you!
Though it is becomming darker, I still enjoy the complex stories in OUAT.
I think the actors are top notch.
@Enkeli 14 + 28 = 42 and neal really did not look 42 and even if he was, a 31 year old going out with a 17 is really weird (in the 11 years ago bit where emma stole the car)
Wow guys, come on with the math:
14 + 28 = 42
If Rumple could pick the time and everything, Bae would have to be 42 right now (at least). And...I mean...he did seem older than Emma, definitely not 19. So he could still be Bae. But I think that might be too contrived at this point. I also think Bae would remember everything about his previous life and I have a hard time imagining him like that. I don't know, though. I could be wrong.
People, some comments:
It was not some random event that made Bae fast-forward into the future: When Rumple created the curse HE chose the land and the time; so the curse took them to the time when Bae was sent there. So he should be 14 (more or less) + 28 = 32.
Rumple said he buried the dagger as soon as he became aware of the curse, so he had it at the time. Then August only had a drawing of the dagger. If the dagger was on the box it would only make sense if: a- Neal is Bae, b- August took the trouble of taking the dagger to Rumple before Emma arrived in town, c- he made (or had someone make) a drawing of the dagger in case he "magically" forgot what it looked like, and d- he thought having a dagger in a box made a whole lot of sense and/or the box came with the package. Oh, and: where the hell would Pinocchio get such a valuable/protected dagger?
So the dream similarity with Aurora and Henry, here's my theory. She and Henry both described the room exactly the same, with one glaring difference. Aurora says in the other corner "he" was staring back at her. Henry says in the other corner "she" was staring back at him. My theory is that they were staring at each other without knowing it, and once they do, they will be able to communicate between the worlds through their dreams. This is reinforced, at least to me, that Snow comforted Aurora and David comforted Henry. Same exact thing happening, just in different worlds.
Red flames? Hell, it's gotta be Melisandre :P
I have a question. Where on earth is cinderella???/
@Diana - If you go back to season 1, I think you'll find that those episodes were the same in tone as this season. The only difference is that the audience was in the thrall of a new experience. OUAT has never been a romantic comedy. It's never been "light." The first 7 episodes alone had Regina murdering her father, Rumple murdering the previous Dark One to assume his identity, Cinderella's story, Jiminy Cricket's story, Charming's story & how he came to impersonate the dead prince, and Sheriff Graham dying at the hands of Regina. I'm surprised people recall last year so differently because this is even before Grumpy's story, Red's story (definitely dark), and Mary Margaret's arrest for murder.
@Cheska - You're trying to figure out Bae's age based on linear time. That won't work because the portal Bae went through could have dropped him off anywhere on Earth at any point in time. He could have ended up in the 1800's, or he might have been dropped off in 2000 at the age of 13, which would make him 25 years old now. The writers can make him any age they want for the purposes of the story.
Everyone is forgetting Neal can't be Bae. If you do the math, from just a ballpark guesstimate, Bae is going to be OLD. He came here, and time kept moving at the same rate in both places. Rumple taught Cora to use magic, who knew for how long, but he says he held Regina when she was a baby. Then you add the time until Snow was grown up and has Emma, THEN you add 28 Curse years on top of that... Bay is probably in his 70's. He has no way of staying young like his father or Cora.
We really enjoyed Once Upon A Time last year. However, this year it seemed to become darker in tone and not as enjoyable. It seems more depressing than entertaining. They should lighten up more in future episodes!
As much as I love the idea of Mr. Gold turning out to be Henry's grandfather, didn't Baelfire represent the epitome of doing the right thing? If anyone could resist temptation (of magic in fairy tale land and stealing stuff in ours) it would be Baelfire.
I've seen speculation Neal could be the White Rabbit from Wonderland...makes sense for a finger-twitchy guy who likes clocks/watches? What could August show him that would convince him so fast? Did August know more about Neal than he let on?
I might guess that Neal is Bae. Only Bae would have given into August so quickly especially if what he was shown was the book because he would have realized how important Emma was. A normal man shown magic would still not give up his true love unless hypnotized. I am also guessing August put Emma in jail so she would give up Henry and then he gave Henry to Rumple. August is almost as cruel as Rumple (if this is all trur) and I think Jiminy will have his work cut out for him. Personally, I think the only person Emma has real connection with is Henry her one true love. Men will come and go (LOL). So I think no matter how good Regina becomes she will never be able to make peace with Emma's family. This boy is the one person they truly love.
I like the idea that Arora and Henry are looking at each other. My question is the read room the dimensional portal or is it a prediction of future horrors. If it is a prediction I am guessing it has something to do with Cora, the Red Queen (?).
Also, has anyone noticed the Wizard of Oz references?Slippers were mentioned in the Frankenstein episode and now poppies. Its only a matter of time til we get an Oz episode.
I heard that a reviewer complained that Once should stop introducing new characters and foccus on developing the main characters. I do not know the reviewer but I wonder if he/she has even seen the show. Every episode has been about developing the characters of one of the main 5 stars.This series is about Emma, Snow, Charming, Regina, and Rumple. Favorites like Red, Grumpy, Belle, and Hatter have been given more to do this season but they do not detract from the main stars. In fact they add to the main story. Even the new characters add to the storyline. Mulan and Arora add exposition, Cora is part of Regina's story, ext.Even the giant in yesterday's episode showed the growing strength of Emma. Your traditional villian who isnt bad. Every show has guest stars. If you dont have guest characters then the main group would just be sitting around drinking tea. Once is not Game of thrones where dozens of characters are involved in their own unrelated storylines.
I think August showed ' Neal' rump's dagger....I still think Neal and bae are the same. That us why he believed August so easily.
August disappeared in the first episode so I am pretty sure he is up and about and he was definitely the one who sent the postcard to Neal in the first episode. There must be something else going on that August is doing though, because he has not returned to storybrooke....
Can I just say, I love Hook. I freaked out when Emma first handcuffed him. I thought she really was just leaving him there to die. But I didn't get the whole "10 hour head start" thing. Did Emma ask the giant to release him after 10 hours? I felt so bad for him and I do think he is trustworthy or at least he was until Emma betrayed him. I really don't want him to side with Cora now but he probably will.
I thought the dream thing was really cool. Aurora and Henry were definitely seeing each other. I'm guessing in the next episode they'll figure this out and use it to communicate.
August annoyed me and I really want to know what he showed Neal. I don't really want Neal to be Bae but if it's explained well I won't mind. Neal was pretty cool but I don't think he was a good influence on Emma.
In this episode I decided I really like Mulan. She's so cool and I like her relationship with Aurora who I don't really like. However I did feel bad for Aurora at that one line she had, "I don't hav
it was an good show. we now why emma has an hard time trusting anyone. wish we knew what was int he box. like hook and emma working togather
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