Fringe Review: The Father and The Son Comments (Page 2)
20 Comments
fortyseven Rank: Regular Character
January 13th, 2013 1:57 AM
It's interesting that both Etta and Michael are anomalies.
KansasGuest Rank: Recurring Character
January 12th, 2013 6:13 PM
In addition to my comments below, I'd like to urge other fans to not put too much importance on what "Olivia Dunham" posts. First, as you can plainly see, there is just ONE person here who has that slanted, strident opinion. Second, I've attended FRINGE panels at Comic-Con for several years and can strongly attest that the majority of fans who waited in line for hours to see a panel on this show do indeed consider ALL the characters to be a family. They cheer as loudly for Joshua Jackson as they do for Anna Torv. But, the one who receives the loudest cheers, and always has from Season 1, has been John Noble. Pay no attention to the naysayers who spread hate & criticism. Let's focus on the series' excellence and impeccable storytelling, which - to be blunt - has nothing to do with the actors and everything to do with the writers, producers, directors, & creators. What you see on screen is not ad-libbed in any way. It's all on the page first. THANK YOU for giving us the
KansasGuest Rank: Recurring Character
January 12th, 2013 5:47 PM
"The future is the past. The past is the future. It all gives me a headache." - Capt. Janeway, ST:VOYAGER
If you think too hard about time paradoxes, they will indeed give you a headache. I, for one, prefer to sit back and not overthink all the details. After all, scientists know only a small fraction of how our universe operates along with its possibilities. EXCELLENT EPISODE! I love how Walter has finally reached that mental state where he is neither an eccentric, not a megalomaniac. He is what he always wanted to be - a loving father saving the universe for his beloved boy. As far as father-son relationships, I'm puzzled about why Donald is supposed to be Michael's "father." If the boy developed from his DNA alone, wouldn't that mean he was September's clone? Nothing is ever mentioned about female observers. So, I assume their contribution to humanity is insignificant in the future. Looking forward to next week's finale! All good things...
Dutchy
January 12th, 2013 11:00 AM
What i find interesting is how are they going to solve the whole paradox type thing taking place? What CPC said about the observers never being created so peter would never have been saved is true but then again considering Peter is in the newly created amber universe where peter wasn't saved could be an indication that the plan has already worked once before (still with me ? :P). However wouldn't not allowing the observers to be created prevent the boy form ever existing thus not able to change history? either this is just the writing ignoring to follow the laws of time or there is some way time can be heavily manipulated which would explain Peters existence in the amber timeline.
TVDIVA
January 12th, 2013 5:02 AM
I just watched the show again. Windmark was told in the lab that Michael was created from September's DNA. So Michael is Donald's son. I like the parallel between Walter/Peter and Donald/Michael. I wonder what happens when Donald and Michael touch hands. Are they communicating or just feeling a loving bond? And now that Windmark has Michael, will he try and do experiments on him? Or will Michael just touch Windmark's face and knock him for a loop? Windmark was told not to do anything about the fugitives and he is doing just the opposite. Windmark will be the one to destroy the Observers because he let his emotions get the best of him.
XweAponX
January 12th, 2013 2:36 AM
Good grief! EVERYBODY has been given importance in this story, but it is all about Walter and Peter. Olivia has had her great scenes with Fauxlivia, whole episodes of that even. And given that this is Anna Torv's first show ever, she's been given a lot, much more than other beginning actors.
Noble and Jackson are the veteran actors in this. What, nobody was happy with all of the S4 Eps without Peter?
This is a family story, I don't see any one actor of character as being more or less important. But the story is basically Fathers and Sons through several permutations of reality or unreality.
My only gripe is that this is ending too soon, this should have had 7 full seasons to tell this story.
CPC
January 12th, 2013 1:25 AM
Damn you olivia fans need to take a pill. I get it already you like her and to you shes the show but shes not the show. It all revolves around Peter and Walter and nobody seems to understand the obvious. If the boy goes into the future and stops the evolution into the what man became those bald emotionless minds then hold onto your hats idoits. Peter and Walter wouldnt have been saved by September so guess what everthing resets and none of this ever happened. Olivia goes back to being the lonely FBI agent no Walter, no Peter and no Etta. So the story is Walter and Peter assholes deal with it. I said it awhile back that the only team member that should survive is Astrid and I still think it would be better that way.
Jesse
January 12th, 2013 12:54 AM
"Jackson and Noble love doing their uberkitsch Walter and Peter scenes, and say that what is what fans want,
well I am sick and tired of them."
Yes well, I and apparently many many other readers on this site are sick and tired of seeing your bitter diatribes spewed out episode after episode. It hasn't been a great season, on the whole, but jesus christ, give it a rest.
Olivia Dunham
January 11th, 2013 11:34 PM
Wyman has rewritten Fringe to suit Jackson and Noble, it is just writing so that it fits the story of Walter and Peter, September had a bond with Olivia (2.08) Olivia was to be the leader for the coming war etc, all gone.
Olivia has no storyline, hardly any decent scenes, and this episode the running gag on twitter was:
When will Olivia get a line.
Anna Torv had to be on set all those hours, beautiful non-verbal acting, ungrateful,
Imagine if they would do this to Jackson or Noble, they would be outraged and all over the media.
They should watch and learn from Anna how to be a great actor and co-worker.
BTW. David Fury has admitted on twitter that they sidelined Olivia this season.
Olivia Dunham
January 11th, 2013 11:26 PM
Noble and Jackosn in S1 and S2 have always said that Fringe was about them, sidelining Anna Torv, in the media,
they did it again this season, and both disliked season 3 the part where Anna finally got some credit and Jackson went as low to complain in the media, and the role of Olivia changed.
Olivia is the main lead, she was center , hero, savior, until Firefly.
Jackson and Noble love doing their uberkitsch Walter and Peter scenes, and say that what is what fans want,
well I am sick and tired of them.
Walter: It's a beautiful name. Astrid: What is? Walter: Astrid.
Rank: Regular Character
January 13th, 2013 1:57 AM
It's interesting that both Etta and Michael are anomalies.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 12th, 2013 6:13 PM
In addition to my comments below, I'd like to urge other fans to not put too much importance on what "Olivia Dunham" posts. First, as you can plainly see, there is just ONE person here who has that slanted, strident opinion. Second, I've attended FRINGE panels at Comic-Con for several years and can strongly attest that the majority of fans who waited in line for hours to see a panel on this show do indeed consider ALL the characters to be a family. They cheer as loudly for Joshua Jackson as they do for Anna Torv. But, the one who receives the loudest cheers, and always has from Season 1, has been John Noble. Pay no attention to the naysayers who spread hate & criticism. Let's focus on the series' excellence and impeccable storytelling, which - to be blunt - has nothing to do with the actors and everything to do with the writers, producers, directors, & creators. What you see on screen is not ad-libbed in any way. It's all on the page first. THANK YOU for giving us the
Rank: Recurring Character
January 12th, 2013 5:47 PM
"The future is the past. The past is the future. It all gives me a headache." - Capt. Janeway, ST:VOYAGER
If you think too hard about time paradoxes, they will indeed give you a headache. I, for one, prefer to sit back and not overthink all the details. After all, scientists know only a small fraction of how our universe operates along with its possibilities. EXCELLENT EPISODE! I love how Walter has finally reached that mental state where he is neither an eccentric, not a megalomaniac. He is what he always wanted to be - a loving father saving the universe for his beloved boy. As far as father-son relationships, I'm puzzled about why Donald is supposed to be Michael's "father." If the boy developed from his DNA alone, wouldn't that mean he was September's clone? Nothing is ever mentioned about female observers. So, I assume their contribution to humanity is insignificant in the future. Looking forward to next week's finale! All good things...
January 12th, 2013 11:00 AM
What i find interesting is how are they going to solve the whole paradox type thing taking place? What CPC said about the observers never being created so peter would never have been saved is true but then again considering Peter is in the newly created amber universe where peter wasn't saved could be an indication that the plan has already worked once before (still with me ? :P). However wouldn't not allowing the observers to be created prevent the boy form ever existing thus not able to change history? either this is just the writing ignoring to follow the laws of time or there is some way time can be heavily manipulated which would explain Peters existence in the amber timeline.
January 12th, 2013 5:02 AM
I just watched the show again. Windmark was told in the lab that Michael was created from September's DNA. So Michael is Donald's son. I like the parallel between Walter/Peter and Donald/Michael. I wonder what happens when Donald and Michael touch hands. Are they communicating or just feeling a loving bond? And now that Windmark has Michael, will he try and do experiments on him? Or will Michael just touch Windmark's face and knock him for a loop? Windmark was told not to do anything about the fugitives and he is doing just the opposite. Windmark will be the one to destroy the Observers because he let his emotions get the best of him.
January 12th, 2013 2:36 AM
Good grief! EVERYBODY has been given importance in this story, but it is all about Walter and Peter. Olivia has had her great scenes with Fauxlivia, whole episodes of that even. And given that this is Anna Torv's first show ever, she's been given a lot, much more than other beginning actors.
Noble and Jackson are the veteran actors in this. What, nobody was happy with all of the S4 Eps without Peter?
This is a family story, I don't see any one actor of character as being more or less important. But the story is basically Fathers and Sons through several permutations of reality or unreality.
My only gripe is that this is ending too soon, this should have had 7 full seasons to tell this story.
January 12th, 2013 1:25 AM
Damn you olivia fans need to take a pill. I get it already you like her and to you shes the show but shes not the show. It all revolves around Peter and Walter and nobody seems to understand the obvious. If the boy goes into the future and stops the evolution into the what man became those bald emotionless minds then hold onto your hats idoits. Peter and Walter wouldnt have been saved by September so guess what everthing resets and none of this ever happened. Olivia goes back to being the lonely FBI agent no Walter, no Peter and no Etta. So the story is Walter and Peter assholes deal with it. I said it awhile back that the only team member that should survive is Astrid and I still think it would be better that way.
January 12th, 2013 12:54 AM
"Jackson and Noble love doing their uberkitsch Walter and Peter scenes, and say that what is what fans want,
well I am sick and tired of them."
Yes well, I and apparently many many other readers on this site are sick and tired of seeing your bitter diatribes spewed out episode after episode. It hasn't been a great season, on the whole, but jesus christ, give it a rest.
January 11th, 2013 11:34 PM
Wyman has rewritten Fringe to suit Jackson and Noble, it is just writing so that it fits the story of Walter and Peter, September had a bond with Olivia (2.08) Olivia was to be the leader for the coming war etc, all gone.
Olivia has no storyline, hardly any decent scenes, and this episode the running gag on twitter was:
When will Olivia get a line.
Anna Torv had to be on set all those hours, beautiful non-verbal acting, ungrateful,
Imagine if they would do this to Jackson or Noble, they would be outraged and all over the media.
They should watch and learn from Anna how to be a great actor and co-worker.
BTW. David Fury has admitted on twitter that they sidelined Olivia this season.
January 11th, 2013 11:26 PM
Noble and Jackosn in S1 and S2 have always said that Fringe was about them, sidelining Anna Torv, in the media,
they did it again this season, and both disliked season 3 the part where Anna finally got some credit and Jackson went as low to complain in the media, and the role of Olivia changed.
Olivia is the main lead, she was center , hero, savior, until Firefly.
Jackson and Noble love doing their uberkitsch Walter and Peter scenes, and say that what is what fans want,
well I am sick and tired of them.