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Excellent point, Ms. Hampton, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. That particular scene was one of the highlights of the early episodes of the entire show. I liked that particular exchange it was written well. Peter's reaction which you refer to and choose to base your conclusions about Peter's character on was so realistic, since it is exactly how a guilty person normally reacts when confronted about his "crime." First is to deny, deny and deny -- and then make a poor and miserable attempt to justify the erronous act. But, you see, the story did not end there, succeeding episodes and four seasons have passed that suggest a reformed "criminal" -- Peter.

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You cannot change what you do not acknowledge. Forget for a moment that Peter slept with the prostitute 18 times. When confronted about sleeping with Kalinda, Peter's reply was, "It was before she was your best friend." This is not a "moment of weakness" wherein Peter "succumed to his sexual appetite." Peter made a choice to abandon his vow of fidelity with someone who he had direct authority over. That is abuse of power.

Where is Peter's acknowledgement that he did something wrong with Kalinda? When did he apologize to Alicia for it? Peter is a sleaze because he seems to think that since he slept with Kalinda before Kalinda and Alicia knew each other, that he has nothing to apologize for. I might think Peter less of a sleaze if he actually acknowledged what he did caused harm.

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Ms. Hampton, you argued: "Will told Alicia in that message that got erased, "So phone me. I will meet you anywhere and TOGETHER we will make a plan." He was willing to make a plan (with her), but he thought Alicia turned him down." That was how that episode ended. But if taken in context with the succeeding seasons and episodes that followed, Will actually got Alicia alone and in bed not once but several times. Did that result into his so-called vaunted plan. They were TOGETHER lots of times but no plan materialized because Will, as portrayed in this series, never had the courage to commit fully to Alicia.

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Ms. Hampton, no one denies the fact that Peter at a moment of weakness succumed to his sexual appetite. But, you have to take the entire situation as a whole and not be blind to the fact that everyone, including you or I,can make big blunders in life. It is how we pick ourselves up from where we have fallen and strive to correct ourselves that distinguish us from animals. Each one must be given the chance return to his/her own center. I believe the past four seasons have portrayed Peter as a fallen human being striving to get up and rebuild his life back altogether.

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So, Ms. Hampton, if Will is free to have his fill of sexual pleasure from a variety of women because he is single, what is the point in entering into a more exclusive relationship? Why should he bother at all? He has had a good run throughout all the seasons with sexual conquests left and right -- and these were no ordinary women -- Alicia included. Even if we qualify this lifestyle by saying, "Oh he didn't lead them on." I thimnk it still stinks. I think he should be content to remain as he is-- a very happy sexually fulfilled single man without the complications marriage brings. You know, let him share himself with all those lonely women.

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Have this hypothetical boyfriend and I crossed over to EOM (expectation of monogamy)? If we haven't, then I can't stop him from sleeping with other people. If we have crossed over into EOM, then if he slept with someone else, it would be over.
However, if you look at Will, the only person he was in a "relationship" with since the show has started is Tammy; who decided to move to London for her job. The other 2 women he has had casual affairs with had not crossed over into EOM, especially as neither of those lasted long.

Will told Alicia in that message that got erased, "So phone me. I will meet you anywhere and TOGETHER we will make a plan." He was willing to make a plan (with her), but he thought Alicia turned him down.

My argument the whole time has been that Will and Peter cannot be equated. Will has never made a commitment to forsake all others. Peter did. And he violated that not once, but twice that we know about. If that is not sleaze, then I don't know what is.

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Ms. Hampton, if we were to follow your line of reasoning then I presume it is alright for you to have your single boyfriend sleep around with other women while you and he are trying to build intimacy and a binding relationship together. You ask were are Will's victims? These are the women he bedded in the various episodes several of whom are still waiting for a definite commitment and action on his part to make their relationship more binding -- Alicia included. He never had a plan...that was a come on to get her to drop the pants. If he really loves Alicia he would have acted already on his so called plan on episode 2.

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Maybe we are working off of different definitions of sleaze.
I believe that a SINGLE man acting like a SINGLE man, and not lying about it, does not a sleaze make. So who are these supposed victims of Will's? They would be victims if he had lied to any of them, but he didn't.
OTOH, a MARRIED man acting like a SINGLE man, and lying about it, does make a sleaze. And we can count Peter's victims; Alicia and their children.

I just don't see the change in Peter. When confronted about his sleeping with Kalinda what he told Alicia was, "It was before she was your best friend." Does that sound like an apology? So where's this great repentance that you all talk about?

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Ms. Hampton, your very statement: "He (Will Gardner) doesn't use slick lines to get women to go to bed with him. He tells them he's attracted to them. If they choose to read feelings into that, that's on them," exactly demonstrates what a sleaze is. Slick Willie is so cool with the gift of gab so that the poor victim cannot tell that she has been had. I'm amazed that you first say he doesn't use slick lines, but at the same breath you say "He tells them he's attracted to them." That's one of several classic subtle approaches sleazeballs use ("I am attracted to you! or "You are so beautiful!") to get the unwitting victim to lower their guard and eventually spread their legs willingly. Then you stress that "If they (the poor victim) choose to read feelings into that, that's on them." Really??? Sleazeballs can make lies sound like the truth.

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Ms. Hampton, I think you miss the point entirely -- what Will continues to do with the women he has casual affairs with and what Peter did with the prostitute and Kalinda are acts of sleazy men. There is a slight difference though. Peter, based on the how he is presented in four seasons after his miserable fall has shown he has realized his error and is trying though not perfectly to absolve himself of his past mistake. Can you cite an episode after Peter served his sentence and gained his freedom that hinted he was unrepentant and still "could not keep his penis in his pants?" Will on the other hand, has as far as I can remember somehow always had his penis hanging out plugging away at almost every woman in sight -- corrupting the young and "servicing" the old. There is definitely a great difference between one who accepts the error of his ways and wants to change over one who doesn't realize he is a sleaze.




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