Can anyone confirm or deny there is going to be a two month long gap in the show until march 9th which apparently is when The Good Wife will return? Because if that's true that really is incredibly unfortunate, asking alot for fans to maintain interest in these new revelations over 8 weeks and it tells you where this show is on CBS's list of priorities. Hope it's not true, someone please confirm or deny.
I am a little dissapointed like you also that clearly the FBI has caved into everything Jane wants and did so so suddenly. WE get that the idea of a consultant overruling an entire agency is unrealistic, that's not the point, the point is when they take it to this extreme where Jane already is putting lives at risk. I still can't believe where going to go six seasons without one of Jane's plans for solving a trivial case of the week go completely wrong and there not be any ramifications in terms of enforcement and punishment.
The whole sister thing is how I've always seen the Lisbon-Jane interaction. The first three seasons were brilliant in scripting this out, we saw a development in this from season 1 where it was a feeling out process, to season 2 where Lisbon was alot harsher and almost a bully to Jane to season 3 where there was constant banter and more of a mutual respect. Season 4-6 has complicated alot of this. The show will call this expanding and developing their relationship but I don't think they've really done that; all they've done is transition sharply away from their sister-brother status to something we don't really understand because none of these new ideas are developed(and frankly forced the whole secretly in love idea etc)
As someone who has no interest in the Jisbon arc I do actually still find this viewpoint interesting. Good thorough explanation on your thought process and I think the focus on Jane's character development independent of Lisbon like your referring to here is very important and really what is holding this show at all at this point. One thing I'll disagree with is that he doesn't think he deserves someone like Lisbon. Not Jane, as someone who's always cared about his best interests only at the harm of others he's not one to say he shouldn't even pursue his best interest and what he wants out of guilt.
I tend to agree although I'm a bit nervous as to how this show can fill 12-14 remaining episodes with these little subplots. They were able to get by the past 2 episodes without doing that case of the week filler because of the 2 year jump in time and making Jane's life radically different but that appears done and eventually things are going to settle down and Jane will be part of the FBI. What happens then? Case of the week filler with some side scenes exploring things like Lisbon's new boyfriend? That's what I fear and really when you think about it the past two seasons have had lots of the case of the week fillers without too much else when there is no RJ focus.
The reason people here don't want Jane-Lisbon to become a thing is because it is forced and its just following the norm of all those other shows that have been fringe crime/procedural shows for several years now with nothing special to them. There's a common theme amongst all those shows; the romantic tension is what you go to when you have nothing left. It's the cheapest way possible to generate enough ratings to keep your show alive.
If the show drives the "Jisbon" angle it's basically there way of saying we have nothing left to give the audience and we're just going to throw this bone out their to be ratings whores. They're telling you they have no other card to go to.
As for the idea of Lisbon-Jane being forced it is for a couple reasons 1) These two really have nothing in common. Very different backgrounds and styles and that's never changed. Jane has disrespected and toyed with Lisbon for years. She's always put up with it and gone back to him. He blatantly left her for months without warning twice the past 2 seasons. That's no basis for a relationship and just throwing out that disrespect on Jane's part is laughably disingenuous for viewers. 2) If the show itself thought this Lisbon-Jane relationship idea was genuine they would have resorted to it by now. We all know by now this show's ratings have become an issue, we also all know this show will do what it can for ratings(hence jacking up the RJ plot as much as possible this year). The fact they've always said they don't really think its appropriate and not something they want to do yet is pretty telling-----the very people so desperate for ratings are saying this.
Fortunately though for me and some others, it doesn't really appear the Jisbon thing is going to be a central arc of this show. Jane apparently is going out with someone and Lisbon is getting a boyfriend later this year and if the show decides to make its Jisbon fanatics happy, it'll just be some scene or act in the last few episodes of the season.
I'm very intrigued by the A+ grade this show got and the overwhelming support from the fans to give it an A. Last year with this same poll the grade was B. I don't remember 2 years ago but I have no doubts the support for this show wasn't nearly as unanimous as it was now. So what gives? Do we really have this much recent bias, remember how much the end of the RJ arc got ripped(including by me) just a month or so ago? Even in this very review, the episode that got the worst rating was the one which was a big RJ episode while the one rated best was the one that had nothing to do with RJ. It's all just very interesting to me, if you weren't a fan of the RJ ending(and thought the best episodes of this season were the latest one) how can you give it such a good review? I also think there like I said earlier there is some serious bias to what we recently remember, sure most people like what we saw with those 2 episodes but there just 2 episodes----2/10 and I also think people might be propping them up too much because of how much they were unsatisfied with the ending and to get that feeling out of their mind. Nonetheless lots to think about.
A big part of this show isn't the storyline, its the case of the week which highlights Jane and his uniqueness. A big part of that is doing things like him lying on the ground smiling while eating or his reaction to Lisbon getting socks. The big word everybody describes him as is "adorable" "cherishable" and talks about his looks. That clearly all has a huge role in why this show has lasted 6 seasons based entirely on him and having him rule as a mere consultant. If it weren't for the writers appealing to his adorable side doing things like I described every episode and showing off that smile whenever possible this show wouldn't have nearly the success it has had. That's all well and good, but the type of eccentric things we've seen him do the past couple weeks and in those case of the week fillers in previous years definitely appeal towards the female side. If your the writers that makes perfect sense-----you do what gets the most viewers not what's most friendly to all but I can guarantee these types of things I'm describing feast on the idea of "oh everybody thinks Simon Baker is adorable so they'll love it and think its sweet". That's not catering to the male audience in anyway, its doing the exact opposite really.
+1 to all this, I just think the writers wanted to get away from this idea and saw more potential in showing a brighter different side of Jane. Whether or not this was smart and whether they were just sick of Red John and what it entailed to Jane I'm not sure but your right, this transition was far too seamless which is also why jumping 2 years might not have been the best most revealing method to showing Jane and his transformation.
First off I like @huisclothes comment, the darker Jane is a bit more interesting. I know the writers said they were moving from that but there's a way of still integrating elements of that even if you want to make this show less dark and show a different side of Jane.
So I'll say this, I think this format they are shifting towards endears alot more towards females than male audiences. You could always say this but this format of trying to show Jane as some "adorable" "cute" "charming" figure alot more than they have really in a while isn't really something a guy like me cares for. I have been surprised though with these two episodes overall, they are definitely better than I expected. If the rest of the season is at this level I'll enjoy it.
Most people here on here are killing Abbott and Fischer, I personally think there the best. Abbott is like a smoother version of all those other bosses Jane has had issues with in the past, more cunning, aware and just a more interesting personality. And for the first time since Hightower I like that there's a female trying to push and order Jane around. Granted, she kind of got owned by Jane, but she's got some sass which is something this show doesn't see alot.
I'm a fan also of bringing back the Blake Association in some way or another, most won't but I was never a fan of just dropping the whole thing. Using it as a blackmail was brilliant.
What I'm not a fan of and thought was really stupid was the Jane and Lisbon scene at the end. That scene in the airplane was a rare good honest conversation where Lisbon actually stood up to Jane and provided him some insight that caught him off guard and was a very good argument on her part. IT was much better than 99% of the times she tries standing up to him, let me make that clear. It really worked and sent a message and question to the audience. It's a very good question for the audience to think about. People keep screaming for Lisbon to show some backbone, well she showed it here without it being some scene of false bravado. This had the makings of being a fantastic weapon by the writers.You know this is your last episode before a break, make the audience think about that for a couple weeks. Try moving the show in a bit of direction for once in terms of character hierachy and dynamics amongst each other. It's a really good thought, especially the argument Lisbon made and Jane's reaction of shock.
Instead resolving it in the end all neat and tiddy to appeal to all the Jisbon worshippers bothered me to no end. I don't like to try to symbolize too much from one scene but if you want to know why this show doesnt get more views and is almost certainly in its last season is because of these scenes like this, not challenging the viewers, not moving the show truly in a different direction in the sense that we see different things from who these characters are and the hierarchy amongst them. That was the best Lisbon response we've seen in a while, to just bring her back to pushover mode and have Jane make a mockery of the FBI and just get his way in the end from his "charm" is exactly what we've seen for 6 years. It's kind of weird to complain about it now when we've seen it for 6 years, but this particular scene just really bothered me, if your serious about moving this show in a different episode you don't just go back to pushover Lisbon mode when you have a chance to spice things up. I usually lay of the writers because criticizing them only does so much----we know from the RJ arc and their case of the week fillers who they are and its not worth beating that idea to death. I try to focus on the characters and not make it about this writing. But this was one thing were I thought there was an egregious error worth mentioning.
Finally I also worry with this being such a relatively seamless transition to the FBI where 2 episodes in we get the caving of the FBI and Lisbon agreeing to work how this show will avoid that trivial case of the week filler which tried to show Jane's inquisitive nature and "charm" but really was just average television we saw much of the second half of last year and in season 4. To me that's the worst way to end this show without really providing the viewers much. It's just such an easy cop out. But we'll see, I won't rush to judgment.
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