To get back to the question I had about inconsistency, does anybody know if RJ wanted Hightower dead or alive at the end of season 3? Cho said they were going to take her alive with the assasin the rope and the drugs. But when O'Laughlin was there there was no body bag or rope, it looked like a kill all mission. So which was it? If RJ was willing to take Hightower back alive and do what he wanted, then I could see the same with Lisbon? Also final thing, did we ever find out why RJ wanted Hightower so badly?
Btw real quick that does bring about an inconsistency, notice in the season 3 finale the assasain for Hightower brought rope and other things to knock her out. As Cho said, they were planning on taking her alive. Yet, when O'Laughlin comes its bombs away and he has every interest in killing. Was his target not to kill Hightower in that situation? It's a very weird situation to try to magine O'Laughlin not killing Hightower but having to kill his finacee(who I still think he felt something for, even if she was just a sacrifical limb). So I think the idea was for him to kill Hightower, but there in lies the inconsistency? And what happens if he doesn't get tipped off Lisbon knows he's the mole? Does he still shoot Lisbon? Lots of things to think about that scene I didn't necessairly think about 2 years ago. The show definitely has set it up that his goal clearly was to get rid of Van Pelt(in that ghost episode he never stated otherwise) but there are loos ends.
Also, we have evidence to suggest that Jane knows Red John has an eye out for Lisbon, but we don't really have any evidence yet that Jane knows this or acts on it. The theory has always been that Jane keeps people away from them to protect them(he said that in the season 3 opener) but does that still apply and apply non stop with him? That was 3 years ago after a specfiic incident with Frye whom he felt specfic responsbility for in some way. What if this obsession to find RJ, to the pt he went a week without sleeping BEFORE this RJ bombshell that will only drive him 100X out of control shifts the focus away from protecting others? Again, it could easily be established in the opener next year that Jane is looking out for Lisbon and tells her RJ could go after her, but nothing of the such has happened yet in 5 years and while the writers may just be saving that storyline, I think it's still interesting that it hasn't happened at all in 5 years.
Yeah the point of opportunity is the problem here with my idea, but I don't know if it's fair to just say it was a coincidence or just a matter of situation befitting on itself that O'Laughlin tried to kill Lisbon and Hardy tried to kill Lisbon. In that same episode, Red John sent a spy to take Hightower alive and bring her to her. Wainwright was alive in the car when they were caught last year going to RJ(so it's not unreasonable to presume they were bringing him to RJ alive). So the point is that RJ, if he values someone, definitely it's not in his interest to have them die in battle without any meaning. He values Lisbon too much. He wanted Jane to make her his sacrifice, not just someone who dies because she's in the way. If he valued Lisbon, why couldn't he have captured her alive in the O'Laughlin scene like the goal was with that assasin and Hightower in the hotel?
Jane wants her to realize that for a second because with her inability to hide anything, that could cause terror and unravel whatever inside knowledge Jane might have at the time. And on top of that, the relationship they have would go to hell real fast if she realizes Lisbon is a target. But logic only dictates Red John will come after Lisbon; he went out of his way to warn Jane about his new ambition to kill and to make a killing as personal to Jane as possible. Could it possibly be any easier to add 1 and 1 together? Here's the question I have; how much does Jane know of this as a possibility? Theories have floated in the past that he's tried to be secretive to protect her, but do we have any substantial proof of that? Is Lisbon really on his mind with Red John's latest threats? I'm not so sure. Maybe this hunt for RJ and his new frustration from RJ beating him again distracts him from that in his preoccupation of hunting RJ at all costs and going a week without sleeping before RJ's revelations makes you wonder what Jane will do now.
Continued: We could call it a gap in the plot, RJ should show more precision towards something Jane is so close with(and RJ has been well aware of this relationship for a while now) because the evidence in those scenes would suggest maybe RJ isn't interested in going after Lisbon. But I think common sense dictates otherwise; we know he will go after what Jane is close to(one side motive for killing Lorelei the way he did was he didnt like the relationship him and Lorelei had even if it wasn't a "relationship" in any sense of the word per se), it just seems like the inevitable, the one thing the show hasn't resorted to yet, the one trick it has left to draw our attention the last season(and we all know it will mesmerize anybody's attention). And with Red John talking about killing and "catching Jane", that would only have to suggest people close to him. But to answer your question once and for all, no, I don't think it's crossed her mind? Is that a bit unrealistic? Perhaps, but I don't get the sense it has, and I think Jane would prefer to keep it that way in any way possible.
@Entwife: You just hit on the one cord that's basically the elephant in the room; Red John vs. Lisbon, it's the one card the show still has up its sleeve that it's shown no hints towards it. And the thing is, it's been the elephant in the room for years. That thought of Red John going after LIsbon has been a thing since season 2 really. And here's the thing, Red John has ALREADY gone after Lisbon. Think about it. His friend Harvey in season 1 tried to shoot her. O'Laughlin DID shoot her in season 3. Neither of those were by accident. Red John knows who he wants dead and who he wants alive, he purposely keeps Patrick alive and like Stiles said earlier he wants to take away everything he cares about him. In order to do that, you would think he wants to save up Lisbon for the right moment and situation, just like he saved up that happy memory killing. So then the question is, why did Red John have no problem with having his friends shoot her?
Continued: That's part of what makes Red John Red John, you would never suspect him largely because he is only capable of manipulating and being powerful within his own environment with his own people, where he can seduce people and get them to die for him(how this happens we still have no idea which is a major error by the writers). Because it's not just lovers of Red John or people that you could argue didn't know they would die for him, it's people like last night who openly were ready for the possibility and readily took a suicidal pill even as just friends. One final thing @huisclothes: The tipping off is still an issue, the key to unraveling RJ is through his moles in the CBI and FBI and they aren't necessairly going to be so comfortable and calm with Jane's knowledge as RJ is. There just puppets and there the one's who make flaws that help Jane get closer(O'Laughlin, Lorelei etc.). Jane's strategy partly was for the FBI mole to ease up and let him lead Jane straight to him. There's still more to be uncovered in this law enforcement mole plot.
It's a matter of priority truly, most of our questions won't really get a good answer. You just have to hope the ones that you prioritize the most get answered and that those answers can help you fill in as many blanks as you can and accept it for what it is. Not everybody is ok with that, and that's fine. As for the show itself @euterpe makes an interesting pt about Partridge, but like I said before it's about picking and choosing flaws. There are huge flaws in any RJ theory with each of the seven, it's just for Partridge its easiest to see him playing a game with Jane, ultimately I really can picture the image of Partridge laughing at Jane when he is caught because he was in his sight the whole time and Jane cast him as some inferior lowlife. And I think that's part of the thing with RJ, he's powerful but within his network, to the rest of the world, he is awkward and powerless. That's why when we find him Bruno has said we will be dissapointed and that he truly is just another human being.
I think for me personally, the reason I am staying invested in this show is because of a) I still remain intrigued by the mystery behind Red John and where it will take us. b) Investment in the characters. Not just Jane(although he's been clearly been given 95% of the center stage now) but everybody, seeing how they change, how they develop through this drama, how Red John changes them. I always thought the strength of season's 1-3 above all else was how great all 5 of the characters were. You can't say that about this season because it was basically a 2 man show. If you aren't as personally interested in these two issues, then I can see how hard it is to stay interested in the show because @Watcher is absolutely right, it has gotten to the point now where there is no opposition to Jane and his antics in law enforcement. Forget about Bosco, or even Hightower we don't even have Wainwright anymore.
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