@Feint: Do you have a link to that info, especially about info following that episode? So there it is, the one card left they haven't played which is probably the biggest part of the storyline left: RJ going after Lisbon. Them featuring it so directly in the promo tells me a) RJ won't actually kill Lisbon, based off show's history zero chance of that happening. Them hinting at something then it coming up, no chance. b) I would doubt if RJ ever possesses Lisbon. c) Wouldn't be surprised if this is all a set up and Lisbon ends up being fine. Still, there are going to be tricks here we can't predict right now. Still have a feeling Van Pelt and Rigsby leaving is directly tied to the RJ storyline and that there are surprises about characters we dont see. I believe more now than ever they aren't going to drag this plot out in a tricky way(ie show RJ's face this year but not capture him), I finally now think the show wants to move on.
The questions I have from this new news: does this mean a) Rigsby and Van Pelt go happily off into the sunset b) Is one or both of them killed off c) does this have to do with Red John and his story? All I can say is I certainly hope they avoid this cliche all is happy ending and how they set up episodes in advance. I hope there is more controversy between the two. And I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this idea of how Bruno's quote must mean Lisbon either arrests Jane or prevents him from killing RJ. Just sounds like Lisbon fanatics trying to envision a scenario where she shows her power and wins. I'm the most look into what the producers say type of guy, but there's nothing from that quote that any way definitely says this Jane Lisbon RJ conflict will end in such an extreme way and in Lisbon exerting herself. I'm still not sold we get the happy ending in Jane's terms for the RJ saga, but nothing Bruno said hinted we wouldn't, that's a huge stretch to me.
@Feint: I think those points you are listing is what everyone wants to see including me. In reality, I bet you get no more than 3-4/16 of what you listed on the show. This show raises lots of questions for us but they dont care about leaving many unanswered. You just have to be willing to prioritize what is most important and look at the bigger picture to be satisfied by the end. I would be shocked if we get more info on Wainwright, Frye, Harker, Minelli, Schultz, or Darcy. The only one w any expectation at all for me is Tanner. a) Its really hard to get characters back on due to contracts and schedules and what not b) thats not the shows MO. Btw, the reason why Reede Smith and McAllister are on the list is probably because those were the ones they were able to get a contract to come back on. They've brought back Minelli and LaRoche and others when possible, its just not feasible usually though so I would warn you to temper your expectations.
That I definitely don't want. If your serious about ending the RJ saga early and not just oh we'll reveal his identity mid season but the chase wont end until the end(which is possible still but the spoilers aren't making it seem like thats the aim) then you need to have a clear purpose. Something as vague as "showing Jane post RJ and its traumatic effects" or just having the usual case of the week trying to show different sides of Jane won't cut it. a) that would be an awful way to end the series b) that's not getting you a 7th season(the only thing that matters rating wise btw is 18-49 dem in the US, nothing else and thats been declining for past few yrs to the pt TM was borderline for renewal) There has to be a specific goal, a specific purpose of the new women besides just trying to show Jane the value of what he does or being a lover. I don't know how they plan on pulling that off, but if your going the post RJ life route for 10+ episodes you need something specific
I could see what @rationalgal was saying come to frution here; we get a happy RJ ending, he dies Jane gets what he wants etc but Jane is so damaged throughout the process beyond anything we realize even now that clearly the question has to be asked "was it worth it?" even though we know Jane's answer. Maybe that's what the show is trying to show by solving this RJ sequel early, the idea that maybe it wasn't working and that there is darkness(and beyond oh he just is emotionally damaged, isolated and walled up like we know) to what we all think is autmoatically infinite lightness from the RJ capture. While I'd prefer the RJ sequel to playo ut the whole year up until the finale, I don't think that's whats going to happen and that isn't a terrible alternate. What I don't want is this new women coming in as a distraction and even though I'm not pro Jane and Lisbon relationship I think it would be stupid to have some new lady come in and go for Jane.
don't really care for the typical case of the week episodes like they once did. Regardless though, I hope I'm wrong I just never even considered the idea maybe there laying things out in season 6 for 7, I always assumed season 6 was the last ride. I too also as much as I hate to admit think the Mobey Dick ending is best for the show, it's never been about everything going happily, it's been about sacrifice, how the obsession over 1 man has consumed Patrick's life, the changes and hardships numerous characters have gone over the years(its not a coincidence when O'Laughlin's contract ran out they decided to have him go via the way of being an RJ mole) it just wouldn't fit the show to have a perfect ending without sacrifice. I kind of always thought that Mobey Dick reference that one suspect made in season 1 to Jane in the interrogation was a foreshadow and preview of things to come and that the writers were talking directly about the RJ chase indirectly. For the record though, I do think we get a happy ending on the RJ chase for better or worse.
@Entwife: Do you have a link by any chance to that quote about the plan being to kill off RJ and setting up a new 36 or so episodes of post RJ Jane? That's an interesting idea in theory. But I'll be honest, I've basically written off the idea of a season 7 completely, hasn't even crossed my mind, Bruno said a year ago "we have 2 seasons or so left" and has hinted this year we may indeed be in for it all. that's usually the exact opposite mentality you see from writers(at least on the record), usually you get overconfidence and the usual "we have faith and strongly believe we'll be back" even when there borderline at best(Harry's Law a few years ago is a great example of this). I really have hard time seeing how they can drag out a post RJ life for 36 episodes, keep in mind ratings have declined significantly the past few years and they've used RJ the way they have as a ratings saver. Take him out and I think the ratings have showed people don't really care for the typical case of the week episodes like they once did.
The reports are saying the opener will be about Kirkland and Bertram and that Bertram will either be eliminated or more suspicious by the end and that 1 character will be eliminated. I always thought the show planned on making Kirkland the big red herring but I'm not so sure anymore, I'm not comfortable making a prediction on who it is. But what happens to those 7, who they really are(RJ minions, innocent, etc) and what RJ does as his list gets narrowed down and what we find out about his minions that will decide the series. It does sound like the major action in solving the RJ mystery will be done by Christmas so there aren't going to be any long term mysteries that last for episode after episode like in the past. I still ultimately have no idea what the end game for this show is now, I think Bruno though realizes that there is only so much he can do with the who is RJ mystery and that's why he wont make the focus only that this year so credit to him.
If jane doesn't catch RJ it'll because of RJ outwitting him somehow or either putting way too much in danger that Jane could do so or manipulating him somehow. It won't be because of Lisbon, that's another prediction I'll stand by. The third thing I think like I said before is this new female to me is more hype than anything else and that she won't make a major influence. This is more just a ratings ploy for the post RJ mystery. Those leaks Bruno had in his interview definitely make it seem like Jane and Lisbon end up together in some way but we'll see. I still think it'd be a weak copout but I'm in the minority there. The other thing I'd look forward which someone said is RJ and his response to the people on that list of 7. Bruno said in his interview some of those 7 will meet unfortunate fates, some will be suspects down to the wire. This is really where the unpredictable and chaos happens and what will decide the series. It's the elephant in the room.
I'm still very skeptical of this idea that Lisbon significantly interferes with Jane trying to kill RJ to the point that she is the reason why he doesn't and that creates conflict. There are tons of Lisbon worshippers on this site, but as much as people hate to say it, her influence just hasn't been big enough on 5 years to warrant predicting something like that at all. Not in the first 2 years and no way in hell now especially after this season all she did to break the rules and saw her own vengeance with Volker(as she said in S5E16 she's an accomplice to murder and she still went about helping Jane willing acknowledging that). Do I think they have lots of conflicts about this throughout the season? Sure, but that is exactly what Bruno is selling and trying to get across; whenever the show tries to blatantly try to make you think something there is always a deeper layer or twist behind it, that's what 5 years of history tells us.
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