Love this list. I agree with Donna and Harvey. It's literally a case of why can't they be friends? The second they started angling towards romance the nature of their relationship shifted and was less enjoyable. Gabriel and Sarah are bffs and I don't understand why the show couldn't just mirror that instead of the cliché route. Donna used to be the woman who called Harvey out on his bs and suddenly became the woman blindly in love with him to the point of being stupid, reckless, and wrong. Plus they genuinely seem romantically incompatible. I think he and Jessica have more sexual chemistry then him and Donna. Great chemistry doesn't have to immediately lead to romantic entanglements and Darvey is an example of that. Carol and Daryl. Family. Friends. I love their relationship but not romance. I never felt like Klaus and cami were meant to be a romantic pairing so they never bothered me.i felt like the originals grasped multilayered relationships better than tvd that way. Steroline. They made Caroline Lexie 2.0. The fact that Stefan isn't in love with her so much as just going along with something comfortable and familiar makes it an irritating pairing. But they never pair who they should because if they did Caroline and Enzo would be together this season instead. And Bonnie and Damon. And Elena would be blissfully single since she actually does better that way but whatever. Bonnie and Jeremy was like the show responding to Bonnie never having love by throwing Elena little brother at her and never giving them much of a plot or screentime. wes and Rebecca are the worst. Rebecca was terrible. I cringed each time. Huck and Quinn. I don't even know why they went there but it grossed me out. I don't agree with Tom and Elizabeth keen. I'm biased because I've been a Tom Keen fa since the beginning but I see it now more than ever and it's interesting now that they are on equal footing and Tom is the guy who doesn't have anyone and never loved before and yet can't shake this woman who for all intents and purposes is the closest thing he's had/has to family. I'd add Delena on this list, it's uncomfortable at this point.
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I thought the episode was okay. Personally I'm not a Lena Dunham fan, so the excitement around her being on the show didn't do it for me and neither did her character to be honest. I mean outside of the reality check she gave Olivia which most fans seemed to love because they felt it was long overdue. I didn't really feel anything with that either though. Maybe if it came earlier, maybe if it came from another character. But waiting until Olivia is clearly suffering from PTSD to have some outsider read her the riot act for not being herself, it just felt like poor timing and Ill placed. I don't want to see someone who isn't privy to Olivia's recent debacle come in and word vomit her hero worship for a woman who she now doesn't see worthy of her worship when she herself isn't trying to emulate the badassery of her idol by going after the company who disrespected and screwed her over, but instead wants to take down others. Because she wasn't naive enough to believe that people wouldn't start putting two and two together and figuring out the bigwigs she was sleeping with. Man or woman, putting someone's sex life out there in that manner without their consent is just wrong. As insane as Huck was, he was right when he said she would've talked. As long as she bad the information she could've always held over whomever head to get whatever she wanted or needed. But damn huck. damn. I love that Olivia's PTSD isn't being swept away. The flashbacks, the report on how she's functioning via Jakes voice over convo with Fitz. The meeting a guy at a bar and having meaningless sex. On one hand I was peeved because of the focus on hypersexuality with mental conditions in entertainment, but then it is a thing, and it is something we ever pay attention to when it's a woman, because we've been conditioned to see it in men as guys being guys so I had to check myself on that one. But I get it. And I've that Jake gets it and it just reminds me that no matter what their relationship status is Jake is always Olivia's friend first. Even if they aren't speaking he looks out for her, and he accepts her going on the prowl. And it just makes me think that for all he thinks about huck, Olivia is his person too. He's locked in on Olivia being his family/friend/keeper whatever. He has that same devotion to her like she's his lifeline. Like maybe she keeps him normal too. I know people tend to sell the olake relationship short, but I find them fascinating because it's not even about romance. Or just romance. Anyway, I almost wonder if he sent the guy himself. And I don't know what to think of th e renewed forced bromance between he and Fitz again. It's so bizarre. But clearly Jake isn't being forthcoming with all his info and I'm wondering why Fitz even bothered with surveillance again when it didn't go over well last time. These boys never learn. I'm a sucker for a Charlie appearance. I can't lie. He's like an unofficial OPA asset/frenemy. It makes me wonder what the state is of b613? Is he just doing freelance work again? I love Charlie. Basically conditioned to be suspicious of any character Brian White plays because he always plays shady or bad guys so while I'm not mad at Olivia for self medicating with grade a beef, u just question this dudes motives. Plus at this point how does no one know who Olivia is and what she looks like? Unless he just was being polite and going along with it for her benefit. I don't know what Huck thinks will happen but there is no happy ending here. The fact that his wife pushed him into testifying despite knowing how dangerous this all is doesn't bode well. He's not going to move in and have a happy life. He's still a monster. He is losing control at that. Normal isn't in the cards for him. At this point it just feels like a game of how many times we can put David Rosen in mortal danger before someone puts the poor dude out of his misery for having the audacity to attempt to be a decent human being. Abby and her speech...loved it. Mellie and Liz will be interesting. If they get mentoring from bitsy they could rule the world. Olivia's wardrobe was great. All dark colors but that pop of blue and the pattern spoke to how jumbled her mind is right now.
I don't understand why there has to be a comparison between them at all. But Olivia's words have also told what it's like for women as well, same with Quinn, and Mellie. All the women of Scandal have used their voices to tell what it's like for women. Not just Abby. Also, how is Olivia a tramp? Because of how many men she's been with? When every single main female has been with 2 or more men. Or because of who it is she sleeps with? When Abby herself sleeps with powerful men of influence as well. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with either woman and who they've slept with but why hold Abby to some high esteem in order to degrade Olivia? You loved Abby ' s speech about women being in the shadow of their men despite their achievements and in the same breath hold against Olivia the very thing you were seemingly applauding Abby for calling out.
I thought it was a great episode. I'm a huge Tom fan. I've loved his character from the beginning and the more we learn about him the more I love him. Doesn't hurt that Ryan Eggold is ridiculously easy on the eyes. It's not even fair that he's had 3 looks since being on this show and looks hot with each one of them. No way in hell my brown arse should find aryan/neonazi Tom Keene bot and yet... Anyhoo, one thing that I've always believed from the beginning is that Tom loves Elizabeth (for some reason but I digress). I mean nowhere in his assignment was he expected to procreate or adopt with her for example but he was so pissed about that.His love for her has been evident since day one, even when he didn't want to admit it to himself. So i had jo doubts that he'd come turn himself in. Especially since he wasn't going to really go down. He knew that. Red knew it too. So it wasn't as big of a sacrifice as they made it out to be. I loved his phone call to hwr at the end, checking up on her. I find their entire relationship so fascinating. Especially now. I loved the scene with Dembe and Red. Their relationship is one of the highlights of the show and Red listens and respects him unlike any other person. It made the scene with Red and Liz so great, because clearly Red was following Dembe'Dembe's advice but in a Red way. I was expecting the judge to be some big bad or something with how adamant he was in taking Liz down, so that was a bit disappointing. I also thought there would be more to Tom/Jacob/Cristoph assignment. Maybe there still will be. Repercussions and what not.
Oh no!I'm sorry! I wasn't directing that at you at all. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was agreeing with you and getting lost in some of the other comments as well. Because there are people accusing the shoe of pandering and I didn't see it as that at all. :) They would be heartily returned. All about the love. :)
Judd Nelson playing wounded bad boys will forever be my favorite thing, but I laughed at the ridiculousness of Beretti and Luscious and their respective henchmen having it out in broad daylight in the middle of an intersection. Lol! Taraji P Henson has ald always will be incredible, but she outdoes herself with her portrayal of Cookie. There is no side of Cookie I don't like, that includes drink and randy Cookie. I'm still laughing over that. The elevator scene was phenomenal. The bond between the brothers despite them always being pitted again on of another has always been a highlight, but Andre has always been left out is it. We've never really seen him bond like that with either brother, so them singing in the elevator and hugging one another, after be started spiraling and talking about how out casted he is was heartbreaking. His final spiral was even more heartbreaking and jarring and while bipolar is one of those disorders that is rarely portrayed accurately on tv, Trai gave a hell of a performance. Ummm, at some point instead of patting the Lyon cub on the head like she's a poodle, can someone please take a DNA test?
Yes. But systematic oppression, economics, and power is crucial to defining racism by any sociological and/or anthropological standard, which holds more credence then your standard (and biased to be perfectly honest) oxford definition. It's literally one of the first things the social sciences teach. Yes. I don't think any of that was in question. I mean we abolished slavery and segue wayed into segregation under the false pretenses of "separate but equal." Just like the bad things about this country don't outweigh the good in the country, the good things don't erase the bad either. It's our history. It's effects bleed into the present. It is what it is. Acknowledging that doesn't take anything away from the country. Downplaying, dismissing, or ignoring it's faults past and present doesn't mean they no longer exist or should be mentioned either. Yes the collective we that you mention (since every reader and commenter here isn't American) are all Americans. Someday, hopefully soon, we'll all be seen, acknowledged, and equally treated as such. :)
It was a solid episode. Courtney B Vance deserves an Emmy for his performance because it was out of this world. Incredible. He moved me. I just...damn. I feel like so many people are caught up on comparing it to specific cases and being pissed that it may have come across skewed that no one is considering that just because some cases make the news, it doesn't mean all of them have. It's a narrative like any other narrative. No one said it had to be just like the Brown case. For the handful of cases that actually make headlines that you don't agree with, there are many others that never made it and were every bit instances of racism and/or police brutality. This coming to light onscreen doesn't mean that this is "new". Even without recent cases, the discomfort and disparity between mostly minorities in urban areas and police officers has been an issue for centuries. And I say centuries because some of the original forms of police enforcement instilled in America (that our modern policing derived from) were actually created to capture runaway slaves. There is a deeply rooted unease that's happened for a long time, so this narrative didn't have to be about Mike Brown or Tamir Rice or Eric Garner etc. So why let your feelings for those specific cases affect you're ability to enjoy the incredible writing of this fictional one? Accusing the show of pandering because of the result of this fictional case is failing to acknowledge that things like this actually happen at all. That the possibility of it even happening is nonexistent. Which of course isn't true. I loved that Fitz and Jake, in relation to Olivia, took a backseat. Scandal never overdoes the race thing and it's great, because in not doing that they acknowledge that, yes, they have a black female lead, but she isn't JUST a black female. That's so important. That's representation in its finest form. A black woman's day doesn't revolve around her being just black. In portraying her as this successful, powerful, vulnerable, broken, beautiful, desirable woman that just happens to be black, it's showing that black people are human and relatable to all, not just other black people. However, race is a reality, it creeps into ones daily life in its own way, and there is a lot there that is never unpacked about Olivia Pope the black girl who lived a life of privilege who may not have experienced the same plight of those just across the highway. It comes up. It's visceral, that exchange between Marcus and Olivia. Because a black lead can't be held as just a black lead, but being black is part of her identity and that comes with its own set of experiences and sociocultural intricacies, and she can never be stripped of her blackness either. It can't saturate the show but it can't be washed out of it either, otherwise it lacks authenticity. I love that they knew that and they played with it, and they knew that to do that certain people had to keep away from her for it to work, and that was Fitz and Jake. Keeping them on the outskirts was necessary. Quinn as the white female could serve as "white ally" but only to a degree. Huck, as a fellow brown person given his race and his experiences with shady government and politics, served well with being the guy who didn't trust the story as it was spun, and there was an innate understanding he possessed that no one else (presently) at OPA could necessarily have. Even Olivia going to David was strategically written well. David Rosen, the Jewish man who she could air out her frustrations in addition to appealing to his own position as coming from an oppressed people. I can't put it into words or properly describe it, especially on mobile, but these little nuances were so on point. They were such honest moments for this episode and for acknowledging Olivia's black identity in a way that they rarely do. I loved it, because it was real. Hats off to the kid who played the cop too because damn he played that part. The scene where he finally exploded was incredibly well done. The dialogue was perfect. It covered everything. The sense of duty, the power struggle, but the subconscious racial bias and undertones too...it was. He was great. I love when Mellie and Fitz are on the same side. I also love when Cyrus looks like the disgruntled grandfather who got stuck with a bunch of moronic kids and he just can't deal anymore. Lol! I also love that Olivia's PTSD was present. I was afraid they'd gloss over it or not do it justice but it was there and I loved the subtlety.
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"Black on black" crime is a misnomer. The fact that the phrase "black on black crime" even exists when no one ever refers to white on white or brown on brown or Asian on Asian speaks volumes. It's about proximity not race. Crime is more likely to happen in one's neighborhood against others in that neighborhood. That isn't unique to black people, but it's treated as such. Then there is a class disparity. Poor neighborhoods have higher crime rates, regardless of race. You look at a poor predominantly white neighborhood and it'll have a higher crime rate than a racially mixed middle/high class neighborhood near by. What constitutes white on white crime? Because if we're talking about the majority of the country, and we include every single time a white person kills another white person (including but not limited to mass killings and sprees) then you can't convince me that white people killing white people is somehow significantly less than black people killing other black people or brown people killing other brown people. I call bull on statistics then because it's not mathematically probable. It just looks nice on paper.
No, I think the point the above person is trying to make is , Racism is a social construct and systematic. It does not go both ways. What you are looking for is "prejudice". Ethnic minorities can be prejudice against the white majority but not racist because they don't have the power to systematically oppress the white majority. That's what racism actually is, but it's too often used interchangeably with "prejudice " and "discrimination" even though it isn't the same thing. It's similar with sexism. Even if every single woman banded together and decided they suddenly hate all men, they aren't in a position and wouldn't have th e power to oppress all men. It's fundamental misunderstandings like that which contribute to never truly resolving race relations in this country. That and THE fact that any decent conversation gets shut down before it ever really happens, because of defensiveness or objectivity and a number of other things.
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