I liked the part where D'Av was telling Dutch "That wasn't the real me" and she replied "But it WAS the REAL Me!"
100% agree. My favorite line!
this why I came here. I played 3 times (didnt think to use captions) and couldnt catch it at all. Thank you!
Best episode this season so far.
Nice synopsis. I differ on a couple of deets, but you capture each episode so well all I can say with each one of your synopses is :"Ditto." This show keeps bringing it each and every week. This episode had some really great details in it. And I agree with Pamela one needs to start pulling out a notepad to keep up with all the world-building. Another great episode that I can rewatch 15 times over the weekend. Easy. And trust me when I say this the first time I have ever said this about any character but I can watch D'Avin shirtless all day long (smile). Guy has such a fantastic, powerfully masculine body.
Thanks Denise, I appreciate that. The show definitely deserves another run. I'm hoping Syfy/Space do not wait too long to renew it. Audiences are so fickle, they'll move on to the next thing without a care in the world.
A couple points of your review I'd like to touch on, I don't think The Company was behind the mind control. Dr.Jaeger said that D'avin killing his squad cost her the job and that part of her deal with The Company was the kill order on D'avin. I thought that meant after she lost her job with which ever military she and D'av worked for, she was selling her research to The Company and part of the deal was killing D'avin to protect herself. I could be wrong, but that was how I interpreted that scene. I think it explains why D'av came to the Quad looking for her, but was unfamiliar with this system. My second point is my feminist killjoy (pun intended) feeling it necessary to speak up. I found this to be troubling..... "Let's be honest, it's easy to bitch about love triangles being predictable, but don't ridiculously hot people do stupid shit in the heat of the moment all the time? While Johnny chose to friend-zone himself for the good of the team, it was inevitable Dutch and D'avin would hook up. Wasn't it great when Pree brought it up at the bar?" First up I hate the term friend-zone. Friend-zone is used so often as slang for "I've been nice to you and treated you as a friend so now you owe me sex", and Johnny doesn't strike me as that guy at all. Saying Johnny friend-zoned himself for the good of the team is assuming he wanted to have sex with Dutch in the first place. Which is contrary to Johnny's own words to Pree. Why is it so hard to accept that Johnny and Dutch have a different relationship and their love is not based on sexual attraction? It doesn't mean that either deny the other is attractive, but it is possible to find someone attractive and not want to have sex with them. Personally that entire scene at the bar with Johnny and Pree was the writers speaking to us directly. Pree was the audience stand in with the usual expectations that viewers have come to expect from TV and other fiction and Johnny was the writers telling us like it is, the show is going a different direction with Dutch and Johnny. No love triangle, because these two love each other in a non romantic way. It doesn't mean there isn't jealousy. Three platonic friends can experience jealousy over feeling left out. It doesn't mean there isn't angst to be mined from a complicated situation of having two out of three team members sleeping together, especially when you enter in sibling rivalry dynamics. It is in no way the typical love triangle trope and I for one am grateful. I still don't want D'avin and Dutch together and I have a feeling this was a way to get it out of the way early on. Hook them up and then end it for good reasons. Let them move on and evolve their relationship. I also do not want Pawter and D'avin getting back together. They aren't good for one another and frankly Pawter deserves someone who actually wants her and isn't using her as a stand in for the one he really wants.
I agree with aboleyn on the 'friend zone' The whole idea of being friend zoned is a male construct to explain why a woman wouldn't want him (how many times have you ever heard a woman say she was friend zoned?) Women CAN be friends with a man she finds attractive, and not be interested in having sex with him. Not being a man I cant say for sure, but I would think that a man has the same ability, and to have a male/female relationship based on friendship and mutual respect in a show only tends to raise the intelligence level of the story. You want an example of that being done perfectly look at Mal & Zoey on Firefly. That is what I think the Johnny/Dutch relationship is, and quite frankly HOPE it is.
So the writers hooked up in order to get ot out of the way? That's incredibly lazy writing. (But then I think 99% of sex scenes are incredibly lazy writing.) And Johnny and Pree discussing it as the writers and the fans (I agree with you on this) is insulting. For the love of little puppies please threat the audience as intelligent people.
Hey Linda, Thanks so much for your feedback. I guess the entity Dr. Jaeger worked for is what I'm confused about. Your interpretation is great though and I'm going to rewatch the episode see if I pick something new up. As far as the "friend zone" thing, our definition of the term is completely different. To me it's not about sex, it's about growing so close as friends the other person only sees you in that light. When I spoke to Aaron Ashmore earlier this year, he explained though right now there's more of a brother/sister relationship between Johnny and Dutch it's always possible that can change. The two characters are NOT brother and sister, and what's wrong with falling in love with your best friend? While the Dutch/D'av thing was purely sexual, any relationship between Dutch and John would be much deeper. She doesn't love D'av, she just met the guy and doesn't even trust him. I stick by what I wrote and feel Johnny has chosen to remain friends, because anything more would complicate things. That's why he visits the sexers at Pree's bar. Regardless, I think it's a smart move for the writers to keep things platonic. I have no doubt folks will be pleased with the stuff that's coming up. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts with me. I really appreciate it!
Maxiesid YES! Exactly. I see them very much like Mal and Zoe. Perfect comparison. I also agree that showcasing platonic friends raises the show up in my estimation.
I completely agree. As someone who has being friends with a guy for almost a decade, I find it offensive to friendship that every show needs to have two best friends become lovers. Anyways, in response to the reviewers stating that fans were dreading a D'avin/Dutch hookup, I am not one of those fans. They had a connection in the first episode that I found interesting since I liked the easy way they understood each other. I was hoping, however, that it would not happen until the show got them to the point where I knew who they were as individuals and they each are going to bring to the relationship. Like Michael and Nikita in both versions of La Femme Nikita. Since I saw both of these shows I come to appriciate a show that builds a relationship instead of having them just jump on each other just because they are hot for each other. That to me is a sign of longitudinally. In this respect I will say this show is not 100% there but I like that the show has taken the time to show us who these characters are and what they bring as a team.
I think Johnny explained his position perfectly; it's really hard to have casual sex with someone you live with. I think he understands himself better than most people do and he knows he couldn't be a casual lay for Dutch; it just wouldn't work. He makes friends with the sex workers he sleeps with so I don't think he can separate the two and knows this.The upside would be if Dutch just wanted to cuddle she knows Johnny can do that without sex becoming an issue.
Jack Ori clearly missed the main plot point. As a reviewer that's very bad. Daniel O'Neil, the psychopath, in his profile was revealed that he was an arsonist. It was O'Neill who set fire to jane's apartment. Hope your reviewing skills improve there Jack. Don;t give up your day job.
Wow is an understatement. I knew Dutch and D'avin would hook up and glad they didn't drag it out forever, BUT didn't expect the way they were able to reasonably break the post love time feeling. I did kind of expect the Doctor to be bad but didn't expect she was the cause of the kill warrant. I want more verification that whatever is in D'avin is done. I'm thinking it will need to be surgically removed. I agree with Johnny being the heart of the team. I did not expect him to be injured and so gravely. Teared up myself and may have held my breath. This show has so many things to explore...the characters, the whole settings, and then the day to day things. I really like that for a new show they have mixed VERY well with showing us this universe AND the characters from the get go! More seasons are completely needed!!
M.W. IMO is one of these three... Susan, Jenny or Missy after regeneration. I'm leaning towards Jenny myself. I can't wait!!
I kind of enjoyed the first few eps and was hopeful for the series but by this stage I can confidently call myself a fan. This show is brilliant and this episode was my favourite so far. I'm a bit torn about the ending. Part of me hopes Dutch was still a bit shaken by what had happened and her reaction was emotional. That she'll realise it wasn't D'av and that there's nothing to forgive him for. But there was that bit about his killing his team being unexpected and him being exceptionally driven to kill. So maybe her reaction was rational. Maybe she's not sure there wasn't some of him in that attack. And just the fact that I've thought that deeply into that one scene is an indication of how invested in these characters I am now. I could really see this show going the distance and one day be in the same league as established IPs like Star Trek.
I have to say anything with Aiden and his dimples will engage me for hours.
There is so much to like about this show I've actually resorted to taking notes. The snitch was a cute distraction and yeah, not Johnny’s brightest move—sticking unknown tech into his brain stem. ‘Geek out at the tech parties’ Utopia was aptly named, I started thinking of all the geeks I know who would love that place. Carleen’s “No one in the quad has seen this before. She is a long way from home.” fuels my thinking that the Quad is not the center of the Empire. “Karma called, she said suck it” is a lovely line. The entire conversation between Pree and Johnny. Pree knows Latin and corrects Johnny’s ‘in flagrant dictation’. That was a great conversation with Johnny saying he’ll have to pick sides and Pree saying he’ll pick hers. “They are terrible at relationships; I mean epically incompetent.” Oh and hello—what a bomb Dutch dropped into the afterglow—she’s married. Pawter didn’t know what to do when Dutch hugged her and I was pleasantly surprised that Pree was at the hospital. I totally agree, they went heavy on the emotion this epi but they did have their lighter moments. I especially liked Pree's shudder reaction to Johnny's explanation as to why he wasn't jealous; the hands slapping together was just ... 'please stop'. There is only one thing about the show that is starting to get on my nerves—can we get through one episode without D’Avin going shirtless? Yes, he's got a nice chest but seriously, the childe needs to learn to keep his clothes on.
I rather like seeing Luke running around shirtless. And since I've been paying attention I believe there has been at least one episode where he managed to keep his shirt on. About the third or fourth. I remember being surprised and remarking on it to a friend. Not that I want it to stop but I do wonder if it's good for him. Typically shows have their hot male actors give us at most a few shirtless scenes each season. Keep the fans hanging out for more. But they're just giving it out practically every episode. I can only hope it works in his favour. Boosts his sex symbol status rather than earning him a reputation as "that shirtless guy from Killjoys".
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