Winter and JojoboboJojobobo. I don't think the cheating gene has been identified. The impulse to cheat is generated between one's ears. It is a matter of will and opportunity. Winter. The bike ride was casual. She was not racing nor apparently traveling a large distance. If there was no curiosity or desire to stray, then the trip to Simon's apartment was just for kicks. I don't think that is the case. Grace doesn't need a lot of equipment to engage in sex. A condom can be hidden in a pocket. She knows Neil is gone for the day, and Anika is at school. Grace had may hours free for conjugal exploration. She could ride home sweaty or shower at Simon's. It doesn't matter. My vast experience with women for the past 22 yrs., has a sample size of 1. So I am not an expert. Previous to my spouse, I can claim a world of experience. That experience leads me to the conclusion that a woman doesn't usually go to a man's apartment alone, unless she is prepared to engage in consensual play. If a woman showed up to my apartment alone when I was a happy bachelor, my assumption was that she usually did not want to examine my stamp collection. Her interest was usually much more hardened than that.Winter. I know that part of what I am going to discuss is generational.I am going to very briefly elaborate on my experience with older women (35 -39 yrs of age). I have a grand sample size of 4. One is my wife. So the sample gets reduced to 3. One is the redhead I met at the restaurant with my football colleagues, another was a paralegal working in my sister's law firm, and the third I met while shopping in a department store (Bloomingdales). Each of three women was at the time at least 12 years senior to me. Each woman was intimate with me on the first date. What is the reason for that? Possibly the fact that I lived large because of my sports income. Maybe the limited fame I had acquired, or possibly my handsome continence with disarming charm (probably not). What ever the reason the women were quite willing. I think that there was a more fundamental basis for the ease of seduction in these cases. The women were not looking at me as a life partner. I was a relatively immature jock although I had potential (medical school attendance). I was however, young, fairly handsome, well dressed and mannered, very fit, and absolutely virile. That is the same relationship Simon has to Grace. The women were interested in my physical attributes not any lasting relationship. There was too much of an age and maturity gap to preclude any long term relationship. This is how we should look at the start of the Grace- Simon relationship. Simon was there initially for Grace's jollies. There is always a danger to continued passionate sexual interplay, and that is the introduction of emotions. At some point both Simon and, to a lesser extent, Grace became emotionally attached. For Simon, this feeling is a new attraction (love maybe, caring certainly). For Grace, it is a closeness, bonding of trust, and passionate physical relief. These are dangerous feelings which over a long term undermine the basis of any marriage. This is where Season 1 ended. Grace in a moment of euphoria over the fellowship and the relief that she does not have to openly admit to adultery has re-bonded with Neil. Is this permanent, we all know that it is not. Grace has not confronted the underlying issues which led to her betrayal, and she has not addressed its effects on her marriage. She is in many ways, alone in her own sphere of reality.
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I agree that many women are like men and are just interested in a quick hookup. I do believe Grace was toying with the idea of sleeping with Simon. But as I have been stating all along, I don't believe she loves him. One more clue. She didn't want to clean the shoes. Because she was afraid of destroying the independent, aggressive, sexual person she had become. When she finds Neil's secret she's going to realize the answer was always in front of her and she's now going to have to fight for Neil.
You should give "Mysteries of Laura" a second chance. One can say is "that bad" without even finishing one episode! It's actually funny, had some interesting murder cases and Debra's fantastic in it.
I agree! My family and I found ourselves hooked after the first episode! Its a funny show plus the drama of the strange murders! Its a winner to me!
She wasn't intending to meet him like you said. The bike gave her time to think. She wanted to see where he lived. She looked at his mailbox. Thought. Turned her bike around and was starting to leave and then boom , he was there. i don't think Grace is going to get all angry at Neil when she finds out he was cheating. I think it's going to turn her on. I think Neil is going to see the video of Simon in their house and take off or kick her out and when she finds out how open sexually Neil can be. (Remember at the burlesque show she said lap dance wasn't their style, she was referring to Neil). I think Grace is going to see that Neil is the right partner for her intellectually and sexually and she's going to have to try and win him back.
Now that's how I would like to see season 2 go. Maybe we'll see the 6 month affair from Graces perspective, and then her fighting to save the marriage. A flip flop of their roles from 1st season.
golfingdocp, Bushi101 Re the bike ride, I think we miss the insight of a woman's viewpoint to our post history. We see actions through the viewpoint of a man, including how easy it is for us to have sex. Your interpretation of the bike ride doesn't fit with what I know about women. Do you really think Grace would start out on a sweaty bike ride dressed in jeans and a blouse with the possible intention of having sex with a man she just met? Any woman I know considering sex would want to prepare her first tryst in 18 years with much more attention to herself than shown in that scene, including perfume and clothes that would arouse a sexual desire in Simon. Grace didn't even have a handbag big enough to care for her physical needs if she had planned to engage in an immediate physical affair. I think what was more likely was that she just wanted to see if their mutual attraction was as strong as it was when she first met Simon. Grace IS impulsive and can react to unexpected sexual possibilities (bar bathroom with Neil). She can also plan her trysts (staged houses), but she knew Simon intimately by then. I suspect when Simon invited her up to his apartment, she knew she was going to go farther than she had originally planned, and with all the amenities in his apartment, it was easy for her to help Simon pursue his plans of seduction. She was an experienced woman, and knew exactly what Simon had in mind; she probably decided quite quickly that she wanted the same thing. The subsequent male-female mating ritual followed a script written in their DNA from the beginning of time. I just don't think it was planned from the time she hopped on her bike.
I've been doing some deep thinking. Is all of the chaos in the world really "survival of the fitness" is cheating a way of spreading the gene pool? Think about it. The people who cheat sometimes are rewarded with offspring that carry the cheating genes. The molesters are rewarded the same way. Gangs dominate on weaker prey. Stronger nations dominate weaker nations. Are we fighting a losing battle against nature? I mean this stuff never goes away? There will always be another Grace and Neil and Simon etc.
Chicago PD is definitely a good show. They characters draw you in and I like that everyone has something that makes them tick. HTGAWM is an excellent new addition. Flash is also very good
Hannibal. Best show on tv right now. The season finale was insane! Also NCIS had a good season finale, paying tribute to Ralph Waite.
Nicole was talking about how sexy the angel is, so I think it's also a love interest for her. Not sure.
Omg. We watched Marco polo 1 time. Awful!!!
I GOING TO MISS THIS SHOW SO MUCH ITS GOT A LITTLE OF EVERYTHING !
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