Does Shemar Moore of "Criminal Minds" and "The Young and the Restless" count?
Munsters, Home Improvement and Fresh Prince of Bel Air
After some reflection I believe the characters are finally showing their true nature. Anika and Mateo are moral and have true feelings for one another. Neil loves his wife. No debate there. He doesn't communicate that so there lies his problem. His philandering experiment is over and he is interested in only Grace. Simon is an idiot. Grace is intellectually out of his class. He sells his principal attribute. Adriana is pure wanton evil. What she desires is game at whatever the cost. She desires Neil for his body, both for the pleasure it gives her and for its money earning potential. She cruelly tells Simon next week that Neil commands top dollar as an escort, which is more than Simon gets. Dylan, at the moment, is just an innicent flirt. If it goes further, he joins the low life crowd. Now we come Grace. She loves Neil at some level. She loves the physical interactions with Simon. She is attracted by Dylans' physical appearance and creative nature. Grace, however appears to be at first instinct, a shallow person interested only in her self.
I disagree that Grace is shallow. You're giving Neil a lot of credit but forgetting that he has a lot more information. Grace is completely in the dark about anything regarding Neil. Neil looks like he's got a leg up and is working on the marriage because he had proof of Grace's infidelity and tried to figure out how to proceed. Grace still just wants her husband to recognize her as an individual and not an accessory. He hasn't done that yet. Whether we think he wants to do that doesn't matter. He hasn't made his intentions known to the only person to whom it matters -- Grace. Grace came alive under Simon's watch. She doesn't love him or want to be with him, but she does recognize that she's not who she once believed she would be. Should she share these feelings with Neil? Yes. The crux of all this is their utter inability to communicate -- something they seem to have no problem doing with others, but can't do as a couple.
You are right, with one proveso, Neil's path into infidelity is only because he was reacting instinctly to pain, heartbreak, and fear. Grace betrayed her marriage consciously and with forethought.
Again, I think your right on point with this. As I just posted to another comment, great job in summing up what I see, but in a lot less words. I have always hoped for a somewhat happy ending for Neil and Grace, but I think it will all depend on how she handles what she now knows.
Just a wierd thought. What if season 1 ends with Grace off to Milan with Stephanie (with or without Dylan in tow). NEIL is completely alone except for the omnipresent Adriana. They go into business together. The satisfaction business with a twist, they will offer relationship counciling in addition to just escorting. Season 2 would follow Neil and Grace with their new choices, and maybe reconnection from an equal playing field.
I don't want to be a downer, but given the constantly dropping ratings and no public statement from USA with only 2 episodes left, I fear that this will be a one season deal. Maybe wrong, but that's why I was wondering what everyone might speculate ,on how the final episode would end.
Maybe I have this all wrong, but I think that Neil is trying to see her as an individual, by recognizing that he shouldn't take her for granted, starting with the tie. He is trying to reconnect (e.g. the dance lessons). Grace did know that Neil hated his job so much he had a meltdown. If she tried to help in any way I missed it. Shallow may not be the right word but, she seems very self-centered. Maybe she has to address her own issues before she can address Neil's. To me, she doesn't seem as invested in the marriage has he is.
Exactly what I see. You guys are so insightful, and able to express what I see, but in a lot less words.
We are obviously watching this show from different points of view, which is good. It would be a pretty boring discussion if we all agreed on everything. And there are more things that we agree on than disagree on. But... Let's not forget that part of the reason that Neil is in a job he hates is because he bought a house they couldn't afford because Grace wanted it. What he did in court was what was best for all concerned. Who would benefit from him being in prison? I don't see his imaginary rant as doing the right thing. All it would do is feed his ego and make him feel good about himself until he realized the negative effect on himself and his family. One difference I see between Neil and Grace is that Neil actually considers the ramifications of what acting on impulse might have, where Grace doesn't. Neal did take a boat load of money to continue his career but under terms that he set that we were not privy to.
Neil hates his job so much that within one day he was willing to dial back everything, lie in court and take a boat load of money to continue that career. He knew how to do the right thing, as we saw in his courtroom fantasy causing Anika to rise and applaud, but he didn't do the right thing for himself. He chose to continue the life he had. I don't recall Grace forcing him to take any particular stand. I could be wrong, but I think that was all Neil's doing. I don't think Neil is invested in the marriage as much as he's invested in coming out on top and that's why when he found the artistic photo, he went berserk. Someone else saw his possession without his permission.
Exactly Carissa.......their inability to communicate is the main problem.........
I loved it when Mimi hears the rumor that Nikko is married and drives straight to his house to confront him. When she gets focused on something she's like a shark, I would never wanna be on her shit list. Also really liked the song they used for that scene, "We Fall Down" by ASTR, digging the moody synth stuff
Judith Light, who's appeared as a judge on Law & Order: SUV, used to play "Karen" of "Larry and Karen together forever" on All My Children. Ms. Light also has had an outstanding career on Broadway.
Great quotes from Sean Astin. Nice to see he got so invested in his character even though he knew it was going to be short lived.
Right? After watching how Jim's role played out in the series I can appreciate Sean Astin's casting that much more. I really was rooting for him and never really thought he was a bad guy. Like Sean said "morally compromised," but he had no clue he helped spread a plague. I'm going to miss Sean Astin on the show :(
Re: Mark Harmon... Flamingo Road was a primetime soap opera... not daytime.
Soooo let's leave out the Taylors from Home Improvement and the Banks family from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air - two of the biggest sitcoms of the 90s.
The Reagans of Blue Bloods sure beat some of the others you included!!
The Reagans are a great TV family - it seems that so many TV families these days are pure dysfunction, but they actually support each other and work through their issues.
My take: Mallory tells Neil that she told her husband and that he moved out of the house and wants to hurt Neil. She saysshe should never have told her husband. In the past, Neil has tried to apply what he has learned from the “other” women to his marriage. If that holds true, he will not say anything to Grace about him being an escort. My view on Mateo and Anika is a bit different. I thought at first that Mateo was just after her song, but now I think he really cares for her. She wanted to have sex in the motel room; he wanted to slow it down. In fact I think their relationship is a good model for how a relationship should work. They talk. They seem to be willing to compromise and consider the needs of the other person. She tells him to take advantage of the opportunity. He meets her later and shows he was listening when she said she earned the right to be selfish about her music and says that he could sign tomorrow and it would be enough, but what kind of pussy ass 18 year old settled for enough. As far as the flirting at the club, Neil seems to have a blind spot as far as Grace is concerned. She was seeing Simon for six months and him never got a clue and probably never would have if he hadn’t caught them in the act. Now he doesn’t pickup on the flirting where another husband would be watching ever move she makes. I don’t know what to think about Neil and Grace. He supports her in her dream but doesn’t address their personal issues. She seems clueless on what affect her actions might have on other people, or doesn’t care.They seem more like roommates than a married couple.
I think Grace is clueless about how she effects other people. That's the result of feeling invisible to her husband. That's also why when she does notice, she basks in it. I agree about Neil's blind spot about Grace. He doesn't seen to notice the the effect she has on other people, either. That is a result of her allowing him to take her for granted for too long. Part of Neil seems to understand, through this escort business, that he needs to address some issues in his marriage, but it's easier to understand from the outside than it is to put what he's learning into action. He genuinely seems mystified that Grace thinks he doesn't listen, which will likely only make a reconciliation more difficult. If he thinks he's trying and she doesn't recognize it, the two have bigger differences to overcome than they realize.
You are probably right about Grace being clueless. She seemed surprised that Neal was upset about the nude picture and she probably was since she didn't try to hide it but just stuck it out of the way until she could decide what to do with it. Her interaction with Simon and maybe Dylan is probably more about seeking recognition than it is about sexual attraction. The sad thing with Neil is that he is a great listener with the women he escorted but can't hear his wife.
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Speaking of Neil's blind spot about Grace. I would think that Grace getting a job that wouldn't let her say anything to anyone about it, including who it was for, would set off all sorts of alarm bells.
Nope. Her husband is a hedge fund manager. Finance is a top secret business. It's the norm that he can't discuss his clients so it wouldn't set off any alarm bells. I worked in that biz for over a decade. I wasn't even allowed to let some of the clients know why I was calling until they gave me permission to speak freely. LOL
Yes, but Grace is not in that business. In her business, most clients would want the publicity. Even if it were typical in Grace's business, after having caught her cheating on you, wouldn't you be suspicious when she suddenly got a job that she couldn't talk about?
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