I'm still kind of in shock, honestly. I know this is based on comics so science doesn't actually rule, but dude got impaled and fell off a massive cliff that was half frozen to begin with - between the blood loss, hypothermia and blunt force trauma, unless Superman caught him at the bottom OR he fell straight into a Lazarus pit, there's no way... The only plausible theory I have is that this was all a plan between Ra's and Oliver to catch Malcolm Merlyn off guard. The duel was Merlyn's idea to begin with, and Ra's obviously knew that Oliver didn't kill Sara. Oliver made some kind of deal with Ra's to spare Thea so he can have Merlyn. He probably had to sacrifice something else. So Ollie and Ra's have a duel, Ra's pretends to kill Oliver with witnesses around (Young Justice, anyone?). I mean, Ra's would know a kill shot, and the sword went into the lower right thorax - it's far from his heart. Punctured a lung and maybe his liver, avoided major arteries. Oliver only falls a few feet off the cliff and is caught by one of the LoA people, patched up and stays in hiding until Merlyn comes out of hiding feeling all good about himself, and BOOM, they take him out. While Oliver's hidden though, Team Arrow back in Starling City have to hold down the fort. Also, I'm acutely aware that my theory barely holds water, and I have NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
Great review! I didn't see that last cliffhanger coming at all! I'm sure it won't be resolved in one or two episodes - Grimm's never been a show that's moved quickly with storylines :-) My only thing with this episode is my thing with a lot of episodes - Nick's isn't a very considerate person. His friendship with Monroe is terribly one-sided. If Nick had crazy racist people vandalizing his house and threatening their lives, Monroe would have insisted on staying. Would it have killed Nick to spend the night on Monroe's couch just to make sure they got through the night and to their trip safely? He left a (seemingly) regular cop to guard Monroe's house from a GROUP of Wesen that included jackals and coyotls? And then there's the Wu thing - I mean, Nick should have set the guy straight a LONG time ago, before he checked himself into a psychiatric hospital. I can't imagine how Wu is even going to get over this, or forgive them for letting him think he was insane. I don't know. Nick's a great Grimm, but he's a terrible friend LOL. What do you think?
I pretty much agree with you on all counts, especially in regards to Wu. And what happens if/when he discovers that Renard's in on everything, too? "Was I seriously the only person in the precinct who didn't know about Wesen, or did you think I was just that big of an idiot?"
Robin, I agree. Nick has always seemed a poor friend, at least when it comes to Monroe. He didn't do well by Wu either. Sometimes it's hard to like Nick.
Alright, I think nick needs a little defending here. With regards to Wu, I think you guys are being a little harsh. yes, they have been keeping him in the dark, but not with malicious intent. he and hank genuinely thought that keeping him ignorant was the best thing for him (seeing how he reacts when he does learn the truth , I cannot blame them). it is also important to remember that, regardless of what the right course of action was, Nick is neither omnipotent nor all knowing. he cannot know, based on the information he has, the perfect way of dealing with Wu. we, the viewers, have the advantage of seeing every one of Wu's hallucinations, doubts and breakdowns from his perspective. This puts us in a privileged position when it comes to helping Wu compared to Nick, who will only know what he personally observes. he may be making mistakes, but who doesn't? this brings me to Monroe. This friendship is more two sided than you would think. there are the little things (Nick gives Monroe free access to the trailer, which Monroe is plenty appreciative of), but there are several big things as well. He moved Larry Makenzies body out of Monroes home to keep him out of the investigation and helped him find out who was responsible. He helped deal with Barry Kellogg when Monroe asked for his help. He actually considered Murdering the chef in "a Dish best served cold" so that Monroe could not be charged with it himself. and, above all, it looks like Nick is perfectly willing to break whatever laws are necessary to save Monroe in "Wesenrein". They have each saved each others life in multiple occasions. While Monroe has still done more for nick than the reverse, the relationship is not "one-sided". As for why nick doesn't stay on Monroe's couch until they leave, that really is more of a token gesture than a legitimate security strategy. Remember, Security is mostly about deterring attack rather than resisting it. An armed police officer (Wesen can still be killed with guns and, as the Phansigar proved, wesen are still wary of police) is a much better deterrent than a guy on the couch (None of the Wesenrein know he is a Grimm again, judging by the promo, so him being there would not be a deterrent). Nick was banking on the Wesenrein waiting for an opening (free of any presence other than them and their prey) to attack. Leaving the officer there leaves Nick free to continue his investigation, which is more valuable to to the couple for their long term safety. Rosalee and Monroe seemed reasonably happy with the measures Nick went to to make them safe. Even if Nick had offered, Monroe would probably have given him the all clear, base on the same assumptions Nick was using. Finally, we must remember that, whatever else he is, Nick is still a cop and still thinks just like one. These kinds of measures are usually more than enough to keep people safe from racist idiots. Nick was doing all he thought he could do. maybe he could have done more, I don't know.But hey, when Grimm resumes, I think we will see just how Far Nick will go to prove his worth as a friend. at the expense of the Wesenrein of course.
I like your analysis of the Wesenrein situation: they are asking for big trouble. They're in for a surprise (many surprises) when they meet the gang. I agree that Juliette's situation is probably temporary but please let Renard's mother come back to help. Maybe she knows or Rosalee knows a potion to help Wu at the same time
Perhaps it might lend something to Juliette's character if the situation is not temporary? (On the other hand, I'm sure people would find something else to complain about! :-D)
Winter, Golfingdocp, and all other interested parties. I think the question of whether Linda loved and still loves Jacob is a difficult question to answer because of the fact that the definition of "love", as we have come to learn, is a wide ranging concept that covers a lot of different situations and emotional states. The answer is complicated further by the fact that Linda changed her answer to this question throughout the book. In my opinion, Linda did loved and still loves Jacob but the love that she felt for Jacob is different from the love that she has for her nameless husband. I think we can agree that whenever we form an attachment to another person, the possibility of "love" in its simplest form can develop and that the feelings of love can be heightened by passion that comes as the result of intimacy. Linda says that she fell in love with Jacob again when he asked her a question that no one, even her loving husband, had ever asked her; was she happy. I think that the inquiry did cause Linda to start having feelings for Jacob because it was such a touching moment for her during a time when she had become so depressed and lonely; it touched her deeply and ignited her old childhood feelings of love for Jacob. But we have to also see that Linda's contact with Jacob is unhealthy; although Linda feels that their contact is beneficial because it has given her an opportunity to change her life and become adventurous and step out of the monotony that her life had become. What rational person, man or woman, would decide to perform oral sex on a ex-boyfriend from their teenage years under the circumstances as in "Adultery". It's clearly an attempt to find satisfaction but it's a dangerous step. And I'm not talking about it in terms of being dangerous in the sense of adultery but in the sense of it being dangerous as entering a world where people take dangerous steps (Think "Looking for Mr. Goodbar). However it clearly brought happiness to Linda (although no sexual enjoyment), and it brought out her passionate side (which ended in a night of great sex and passion with her husband). Linda also describes her feelings for Jacob as an infatuation and I think this is closer to the truth than she wants to admit to herself. After all, an infatuation involves being in the state of an unreasoned passion or love. It's love but one that is not modulated by common sense and reason. Infatuation is often the reason why people end up with the wrong person or a person poorly suited to be a long term partner. Also consider the fact that Linda knew from the start that their relationship was doomed. But passion and infatuation can overcome a person's common sense and reason and lead them to make bad decisions. I wonder how often passion and infatuation are the culprits behind a person deciding to step over the line and engage in an extra marital affair, In the end, I think Linda explains it best when she says that she might not have been in love with Jacob but that she was in love with what he awakened in her. In the end, I do not think it really matters if Linda loved Jacob or not because the relationship, as she well knew it, was doomed from the beginning. There was never a chance that it would lead to anything else. Jacob was not the right person for Linda and Linda knew that the most important thing in her life, regardless of all the problems, was her family. I wonder if we'll ever get to see Grace's side of the story as we got to see with Linda. I wonder if Linda's thoughts and feelings are shared by others, including Grace, who decided to enter into an affair. Only season 2 and maybe 3 will tell. But this book has a lot more to be discussed. Golfingdocp, I wanted to say that I agreed with your comment about the Shaman, It's funny but as I read the book, I didn't even pick up on the fact that the Shaman was playing the role of the Zen Master. It's only when you mentioned it that I thought about it. I'll conclude this post by saying that Linda and Grace's story are the same as a great number of people in the world. "Adultery" placed the numbers in Switzerland as 1 in 7 people having an affair. I think the hardest thing for us (meaning you, me, Sojourner, ect.) is that we can't really understand what these people were feeling when they decided to engage in their affair. We're lucky that we, as well as our partner, have not gone down that route. But the truth is that there is very little that separates us from Grace and Linda. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the issues that Linda spoke about, the monotony, the fact that sex became a duty often relegated to night time before sleeping, the loneliness, the having to put on a face for others, etc, are things that we have faced ourselves. We're just lucky that we did something else to deal with the problem (assuming that we didn't just take the path of least resistance and didn't do anything). I'll leave you with this thought. Winter, you asked us a simple question. I gave a complicated answer. The simple answer is: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. I do not think Linda's feelings for Jacob fit what we strive for in life, although I think her feelings were necessary for her to get to the end (as suggested by the Shaman) so that she could see what was right and what was wrong and choose accordingly. I think the nameless husband fit the concept better but even perfect love has problems (he couldn't express his feelings enough to Linda).
Bushi101 and Winter, I hope that the rest of the readers and posters to this site will read Coelho's novel. I believe Carissa would in particular enjoy Linda's exploits. She was actually, in my opinion, a predator of sorts. She took control of the situation from the very start. That was the purpose of the oral sex. The second sex act was somewhat alarming but it showed Jacob that she would trust him. That fact that they planned and successfully carried out trysts in the hourly hotel shows that she was not an infatuated follower of a politician. She carried changes of under garments, and made sure that no traces of anything secondary to sex could be detected. This was not Grace. Linda used her affair to experiment sexually. She probably enjoyed the secretive aspects of the affair. She almost carried out the plot to destroy Jacob's wife. In a sense, this was a sign of blind infatuation, but her rational mind and the lack of desk drawers, stopped her. Linda's dislike for Jacob's wife may also be a form of jealousy, because Jacob confides in his wife. Linda is a woman in her thirties. She is having a full blown affair of some duration. She states that she has been seeing Jacob regularly about 4 times a week. Yet, there is no mention that her sex life with her husband has diminished within the same time period. She makes the point of mentioning, more than once, that she has been having multiple orgasms with both partners. Clearly she is capable of carrying out the sexual betrayal indefinitely. She shows worry and guilt only when the chance of discovery becomes heightened, such as the political get together after the election. Other than that, she actually is carrying out trysts in an organized fashion. She knows the truth about Jacob's past, but it really doesn't bother her. She is getting what she wants and needs, and it is on a schedule that she controls. Linda is a young, attractive, professional journalist. She has contact with a lot of people, but has previously not been tempted to cheat. Only, when she meets Jacob again, does this lust boil over. She remembers vividly their history together, and that they did not consummate sexually. She must have known that he would be receptive to her advances in his office. He was an easy target of sorts. Now from a practical point of view. Linda is young, and now a veteran of a secretive affair. This does not portend well for the long term future of her marriage. Her husband is an intelligent man. He and Linda have a young family. Apparently, they are good and loving parents. They have a good family life. I can understand keeping the family unit together for the children. The husband suspects that Linda is unfaithful. He remains quiet because he wants her to make the choice that is best for her own happiness. He is willing to grant her freedom if she chooses someone else. Linda states that she knows that her husband will not be alone long if she leaves him. He is handsome, young, and very rich. I believe that she states that he would have someone on his arm within a month. This means that her husband is a keeper of sorts, so she won't be a loser whomever she chooses. Jacob is a serial adulterer, yet this doesn't really turn off Linda. I speculate that this might even be a turn on for her. She dislikes his smug wife, so having an affair with Jacob is sort of sticking it to her. Linda's husband (unnamed for some reason), must know that his wife might cheat again. He has in fact, given her carte blanche to do it again, or as often as she needs. It would be interesting to see this relationship again when the children are ready to leave the home. I wonder what would happen if the husband were to have an affair for purely sexual relief. How would Linda react? I believe that here Grace and Linda may be similar. Grace has a bit of a jealous streak, Linda may have displaced a similar one in her attitude toward Jacob's wife. I believe, that neither of these women would show tolerance of a spouse's adultery. In this respect, both women are about themselves. It is all about satisfying their own hungers or needs and not about examining the marriages. Just to add to this point, at the political dinner after the election, Jacobs's wife brought up something about swinger's clubs, and Linda's husband asked where they were located. Jacob's wife said she would text him the address. Linda was very quick to break up this conversation, because cheating was her realm and not to be shared with her husband.Bushi101, in regard to breaking up the monotony of marriage, the best advice I can give to anyone is to have a bunch of children. Your sex life becomes like planning a military campaign. We keep our bedroom door closed, but never locked. I can remember a few times when a very young clone would open the door without knocking and literally stopping my spouse and myself in intimate communication. All you can do is cover up and laugh. As they got older, my wife and I formulated date nights, grandparent overnights, and afternoon hookups. My wife has never allowed me to take her for granted. I will get a funny look, email, text message, or find a posted firmly attached to the inside windshield of my car. It will remind me what I overlooked. She is definitely not the quiet demure woman. She knows what she wants and what I have to supply. I can luckily state that she makes sure that her husband is so exhausted from having sex with her that he has no energy for anyone else. So my fidelity is almost assured, unless someone can add a few hours more to the day for rest. A cardiologist pal of mine stated one night at dinner, that the best stress test ever invented, was a vigorous sex life with a spouse. The planning and facilitation of that facet of a long term relationship can be very tiring and stressful.
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I do not think that is a compliment, nestled in the second line there. Am I a predator? ;-)
Here is what I hear from the moms on Cleveland that are having affairs. Some say they love their affairs, but in a different way than they love their husbands. These are women with long term affairs. Those in shorted affairs sound like it is more infatuation. That sounds right to me. I don’t think true love happens overnight. Some say an affair is like being addicted to a drug. I think maybe Linda did too. For some the risk and secrecy is a big component. If they were in an open marriage, I am not sure some of them would even be in an affair. Many if not most, say they would not marry the guy they are having affair with. Some of this I think supports what you were saying. What amazed me is that no matter what the problem, if there is a problem, sex seems to always be the answer.
For a mid season finale, I expected better. I didn't get it. I'm tired of Castiel. He has no real storyline anymore. Basically, enough on angels would be nice. I'm disheartened by this season because it showed so much promise with Demon Dean. But for whatever reason (writers, producers, etc.) have decided to shuttle that within in 3 short weeks. I worry that I am losing my total love of this show and the brothers. And I never wanted that to happen. Tired of the side characters, I'm not too much of fan of them. It was nice to finally know that Jimmy is dead. But Cas was undone by Metatron when he gave him the knowledge of every book, movie, etc. So he can't seem to show much wonderment again. Now they are showing the next episode in January with Metatron. Just another character I am tired of too! Come on writers! Start going back to Sam and Dean and showing us their turmoil and Sam finally giving a crap about Dean.
I agree with you - I am also "scared" that I am falling out of love with my favorite show of all time. Season 10 is really Season TERRIBLE for me, and that sucks. Season 10 should be epic but it feels like everyone is working part time. If the second half of the season doesn't do a major course correction and pull me back in I'm afraid I may be done after 9 years of loving this show. I really don't want that to happen but this season doesn't even feel like SPN AT ALL. I am really frustrated
It certainly needs to head in a different direction but I suspect most characters, mainly Maggie, will delve deeper into darkness...............
Indeed, what was the deal with Tasha? I think we did get her calling Auggie but that was about it. Joan is always a highlight on the show---love her and her tenacity. I'm guessing since Peter Gallagher is guesting on Law and Order SVU is why we're not seeing him............. Of course there is still something between Annie and Auggie............it's not just going to go away......... I'm unsure about James as well........it could very well turn out he's working for Belenko.......... And Calder needs to check himself before he wrecks himself..............
With only 1 episode left they definitely didn't have the time to drag out Elizabeth being mad at Peter for missing the sonogram...............but I do think she will deliver an ultimatum .............. I wondered as well who that woman was Neal gave the envelope to. I think Neal may be trying to do one last heist so he can ride off into the sunset .............
If they cancelled this awful show yesterday it would still be too late. My god ... kill it! Kill it with FIRE!
OK, not for one second did I ever think it was Lucas. He is just too sweet & innocent to be that evil. When Henry first walked into the psychiatrist's office, I did think the voice sounded similar to Adam's, but kinda forgot until the patsy asked Henry to kill him. That is something Adam would NOT have done. He's too "superior" (in his own mind) to do that. Then when the guy didn't disappear after Henry killed him, I got suspicious again, & the instant the phone rang I connected the dots.On a different line, they didn't expressly say that Henry didn't tell Jo about his immortality. Jo could have just told him not to tell anyone else yet. However, I have to agree it is not likely she knows. Any guesses as to how she'll take the news? I guess it depends on when he reveals it & what they have been through together up to that point. Oh, so glad we don't have to wait long into January!
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