Great review something is missing this season . I hope it's better next season
Imagining their shipper name... SaLiver, or SaLiva or OliSa... I can't come up with a decent one so not to be in my book, I don't care what the comic version says!
Ellie bishop seems to be too tame and her character is overpowered by the more flamboyant styles of the rest of the team. She seems so bland
I prefer Ollie with Sara. Felicity is great, but Green Arrow belongs with Black Canary, like Superman and Lois Lane.
Comment modified at March 04, 2014 21:19
After viewing the 6x17 sneak peeks, I decided to watch “Knockdown” again to get a feel for how this episode might play out on the screen. The torture scene was hard to watch, but overall I enjoyed the episode. I think most regular viewers knew that Kate's ‘powerful enemy from the past’ had to be Vulcan Simmons. There was a lot of intense action packed into just 43 minutes which I guess was needed in order to replicate the kind of drama viewers usually see in a two part episode. The drug unit plan was terribly flawed. I could tell during the initial Elena interview playback that she was speaking in code and that she was a killer. The reasons given by the drug unit captain for Kate’s role were a pretty flimsy excuse for her to get herself involved in an undercover narcotics mission. When Gates offered to Kate to refuse the mission, she agreed to accept the challenge, but I don’t think she was given enough details to understand the actual risks. She is a homicide detective who is well-known by NYC hard-nosed criminals especially the drug underworld and it was pretty obvious that somebody would recognize her right away. Poor Kate had to come up with another definition for the word ‘undercover’ (meeting) in order to keep Castle from getting involved. You can't blame Kate for not telling Castle any details about the mission because Castle still refuses to keep his nose out of classified business which could put him and his future wife in danger. For hyped up episodes like this one, I still watch for bits which show those seconds dealing with the reality of the Caskett relationship. Kate sitting down and writing that letter to Castle was that moment for me in this episode. The writers deem not appropriate to show viewers any Caskett passionate kisses, no bare shoulders while our couple is sitting up in bed, but instead we get plenty of physical violence including water torture.
Comment modified at March 04, 2014 21:52
The problem with these kind of dark Castle episodes written by Marlowe is the inevitability of the story being dropped immediately afterwards with zero emotional or practical consequences for the characters. I tend to not empathize that much with Beckett when she’s on her own because her vulnerability is always overdone by the show runner. The storyline presents as a one shot effort to give SK something dramatic to do that will have no repercussions whatsoever going forward.
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the scenes of water with Ryan and Espo were much better than here.
Stana not at her best.
We saw again Gates not using any weight at all. She knew it was a crock but let her leading homicide detective still go despite the inherent risks. she was never up to the job Should have stayed at Depp Space Nine
I agree with you on that one Vince. I love the show but one of its greatest weaknesses is that it has these great character moments and then drops them. I was really hoping for followup on Kate's PTSD but we've never gotten much. I don't expect entire episodes but just a moment or two where we see her (and Castle) acknowledging it or even some discussion about her months in therapy. And that's just one example.
I understand that the show is easier to syndicate if the episodes can be shown as one-offs on TNT but to long term fans dropping these threads can be very disappointing.
I'm just barely catching up today. I don't care what time they put it. I can't watch live TV on Monday nights
This episode was a totally mind f@ck. I really thought it was awesome and frustrating all at the same time. I honestly thought it was brilliantly done. Wow.
I concur! Well said...total mind f@ck...but so awesome! lol
The emotional weight and intensity of this episode was fantastic, and the acting was great throughout. Well done by the cast.
However, the story - while well executed - didn't make any sense to me. I mean, the only theory that makes any sense to me is that Bracken arranged this whole thing from the beginning, JUST to "save" Beckett's life and call it even, but that's not how anyone on the show saw it.
I mean, Elena supposedly wanted out, only to be back in just in time to save Beckett's life. Elena tried to commit suicide to avoid the meet, only to escape custody to go save Beckett. Did Elena not know that there was no meet, OR was the whole plan for Beckett (the only young woman in the entire NYPD to speak fluent Russian) to be kidnapped in the first place?
And if none of the folks knew who Elena was and were going to hire her as an assassin, how did she - so quickly - end up working for Lazarus to save Beckett's life?
I don't know. Maybe I'm just tired. But that whole story was a mess. Emotional and intense, yes, but still messy. Sorry. I welcome any clarification.
Elena was a free lance contract killer. The drug ring wanted to hire her full time. She had done work for them in the past, but was only known to them by reputation. The police playback video with her in the interrogation room was a ruse on her part. She faked the suicide to get out of police custody.
That does clear it up in my murky brain - thanks! Though it was still really convenient that they contacted Elena in time to save Beckett's life...
The Narcotic captain is portrayed as a naive incompetent buffoon.
Wouldn't happen. Too many dead on his watch would show up.
Very sad that Lifetime takes off a wonderful program, bringing into light "real life"
happenings versus ridiculous shows as Honey Boo Boo, etc.-senseless! Army Wives received all these various awards and had an outstanding original cast. This was one program that I truly looked forward to each Sunday. Very sad to see this excellent show get canned. I am sure Lifetime ratings will take big hit. It is with me!
Unlike you, I do mind Oliver & Sara as a couple. Because it makes Oliver cringe-worthy for me. Because they’re hitting me over the head with all of these Sara attributes that don’t make sense. Because I use to like Sara, and now I don’t feel she’s paid her due to be granted so much. And finally, because their being together now, implies a few things that isn’t sitting well with me:
1) That Oliver & Sara possibly hooked up on the island (I loved Shado) after Shado’s death (someone he supposedly loved on some level) dies, he moves on to the next woman also on the island? I’m wondering how long after she was dead that he did this if in fact he did. And I was so pissed that Oliver admitted to actively choosing to save Sara over her. I thought/hoped it was a simple misunderstanding.
2) If he and Sara were more eventually on the island…what was his Laurel love in season one about? Because if he was emotionally invested in Sara AND Shado on the island, I call bullshit on the story of Laurel’s picture being what kept him going and willing him home. LOL. Was it because he thought Sara was dead so it was OK to go back to wanting her sister again? It just makes Oliver’s “love” fickle. And I cringe at this guy.
3) If you have to make, marooned on an island for 5 years, Sara the equivalent of a vigilant-ing kickass ninja, blood analysis tech, computer tech, custodian to orphans, bartender, self-defense trainer, Team Arrow Member, medical lair person, and comparable to a genius level MIT graduate, rolled up into one complete package, over the course of one episode………you’re trying too hard. She was fine just as she was before on her first visit. Now, they’re laying it on too thick.
Exactly! And to think Oliver tells Laurel that he has loved her for half of his life? Wow that's some "love".
Agreed on all accounts
Very well said. I agree. If Shado was who they brought back and paired him with it would make so much more sense than Sara. We have seen nothing in story lines to show this relationship. Voids so many other plots we have been lead to believe. Love of Laure is huge one.
I agree as well. I have often wondered about the pic of Laurel as something that kept him going when I saw he was with Shado. How was he so focus on Laurel then?
Apparently my definition of love is totally wrong from the writers'. If Oliver's love for Laurel was an epic love then he never would have ran off with her sister. If that is love I want no part of that. If we all really think about it and are honest, we would all want someone else for Felicity. She deserves better. If you ask me a Laurel is better off as well without Oliver. He still needs to grow up.
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