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LostFan, at least part of your frustrations come from the heavy reliance on time travel, particularly in the first two season. Every future we have seen so far has been changed by altering events in the future. i.e. the events of Five Years Gone were changed when Peter was stopped from levelling New York. The future with black-haired Claire and scarred Peter was changed when Nathan was stopped from going public. The message is, just like we learned from Doc Brown at the end of Back to the Future Part III, the future is unwritten. What those glimpses of the future showed us was a possible future given the current trajectory. Change the trajectory, you change the future. It's as simple as that.

Your issues with the show are your opinion. Yes, there have been some plot holes, but many of the larger ones are the result ot the damn writers' strike that robbed us of half-a-season of TV (insert Caitlin reference here).

Samuel may not be so shocking, but he is certainly diabolical, and in a cerebral way. It makes for a great villian. And I would argue Matt being willing to commit suicide to kill off Sylar was worthy of a holy shit moment. I will give you that too many characters come back from the dead, but this is a show inspired by, and largely mimicing comic books. The No. 1 rule of comic books is that nobody ever really stays dead.

I wouldn't call Isaac a weak secondary character. He was central to S1. Same with Adam. He was a central character in S2.  Nathan will not be back -- Adrian Pasdar is leaving the show. Go ahead and enjoy lost; no need to disparage a show many people, especially people on this site, enjoy watching. Live and let live.

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Thank you Kal for your civil explanation regarding my issues.  That is all I wanted.  That being said, I still think it is somewhat of a cheap cop-out to show tons of episodes with this crazy future and never have it happen.  To me, if you show it and play it off as the future, you have to commit to it.  Plan ahead.  Build your ongoing storyline around the future that you are about to show.  Because that IS the future. 

And my point with the characters is that they bring in new "secondary" characters in every season, have them become involved with the primary characters, kill them off sometime during the season, then start the same thing over again the next season.  It's just really frustrating.

But, whatever, enjoy the show everyone.

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Isaac definitely was not a weak secondary character. Adam wasn't.

To list a few more, theres Elle who was a great villain. Linderman, who was the mastermind behind all of Season 1, even if he didn't appear heavily, Arthur who was Villains main baddie, Danko who was significant in Fugitives, Daphne who had potential until she was killed off, and also Nathan. Simone was also instrumental because she was Peter's first love and the first sign that being a hero wasn't all happy days. The same goes for Kaito, who has left a smouldering hole in Hiro's life.

Charles Deveaux was dying anyway, but he impacted on Peter's life.

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I have said it a thousand times...that YES TIME TRAVEL has corrupted this show...but you have to remember as how Claire was yelling in season 1..The future is not set in Stone..exactly how Kal15 put it.  They saw a potential future...and they averted it.  Now if you are referencing Peters Scar....That can STILL happen...Hiro becoming Badass..That could STILL happen..but those are things for other threads not a reason to duke it out on the status of the show.

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Storylines too difficult, Boo-Hoo.

Seeing as Dancing with the stars pulls about 16 million viewers, against Heroes (6/7 mill), obviously shows that the majority of the population prefers to be braindead while watching tv...

I agree with the now standard in- and outflow of "secondary"  heroes. You cannot see the big picture, as your are immersed in the details.

@jillibean: Couldn't you come up with anything better than "Heroes sucks even more". Instead of QQ' ing you can just give some criticism too work with.

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LostFan, one thing you need to remember is the whole gist of S1 was altering that future. Every task the Heroes embarked on was a move to prevnt that future from happening. Think of the two big catch phrases from that season: Save the Cheerleader, save the world, and How do you stop an exploding man? They had to accomplish both to prevent new York from going kablooie, and in the process they significantly altered the events that led to this post-apocalyptic world where Hiro was a samurai badass, Ando was dead, Peter was laying low and Sylar was posing as Nathan in the White House. That future didn't happen because of what happened in the season that caused so many people to fall in love with this show.

Then in S2, we saw another post-apocalyptic future where humanity is decimated by the Shanti virus. Back to the present, destroy the virus, change the future.

Likewise when we saw the future were most everybody had abilities and Claire was hunting down Peter. By destroying the formula, that trajectory was altered. This show has largely been based on altering current events to avoid a grim future.

Which makes me think of something more suitable for another discussion thread, so I'll move on now.

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Kinly
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Heroes sucks.

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Clever argument, how can any of us heroes fans possibly cope with such a sweeping revelation?

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screw you maj, ala, ala

screw you picasso, mama mia

heroes suck balls

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Hush, now, Tony....no one wants to screw you.

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