ok so in the season 3 finale. peter gets sylar's shape shifting ability... we see that.
Buttt... does this mean he also gets sylars ability of taking peoples powers and keeping them all?
I mean for how long are they gonna make the coolest character so lame that he can only keep one power at a time?
Peter was by far the most powerfull (aside from sylar), so it was the perfect balance of good and evil... now he's jusy lame...
Are the writers ever going to give Peter his original powers back so we can see the amazingly powerfull but sweet Peter of the earlier episodes...
Thats all i really wanna know...
What is the go with peters powers, his ability before was he was able to absorb other peoples power from a distance and store those powers to be used again when needed. Were along the line did his ability change and become so lame that he can only use and have one ability at a time.
Heroesfan....peter's dad took all of his abilities. Arthur had a similar ability to peter's current ability, except he could stockpile abilities.
Peter then injected himself, and there-you-go he's lame.
The show's writers stated that they made peter too powerful too soon. this is waffle! he may have been powerful, but was matched by sylar.
however, the direction they took peter in season 3, with hindsight, was a bad choice. it has alienated many viewers, myself included. i must admit, peter was my favourite character on the show.
it was always going to end badly when they allowed peter to use sylars original hunger-empathy ability, this is what seperated peter and sylar.
now peter is weaker. the writers have tried to appease fans by giving peter the starring role in capturing sylar at the end of season 4. but this is not working for me. if there is a person, such as sylar, there is a need to have an opposite, such as peter, to counter the effect.
this would not have had to steer the show. it did not have to be sylar v peter all the time. however, it could have ended, at the very end of the show, with a show down between the two.
peter's power now, is not correct to the character's personality. his empathy power mirrored the character. changing his power has resulted in changing the character's personality somewhat, and if you look closely at peter, the innocence and unconditional love for mankind has altered.
it is a shame. all stories such as these need a character like peter.
this leads onto the fact that the writer's have gone with this with no outcome in mind, no overall aim. Lost writer's knew how the story would begin and end, and have only filled the middle in as they went. Heroes has not developed like this.
I eagerly await the 5th part to the story of heroes, but if the continue to restrict characters such as hiro and peter, the show will lose it's core, its heartbeat. Sylar IS good, but is unbalanced within the dynamics of the show now.
I sincerely hope for change....
"peter's power now, is not correct to the character's personality. his empathy power mirrored the character. changing his power has resulted in changing the character's personality somewhat, and if you look closely at peter, the innocence and unconditional love for mankind has altered."
Actually, turn that sentence upside down!
We all can figure abilities seem to fit people's personality somehow. In my opinion, Peter got this lame ability EXACTLY because it fit his new 'I will save the world; one person at a time if I must" personality. Empathic Mimicry gave him the opportunity to be a sponge because he so strongly empathetized with people around him. However, being powerless for a while made him refocus on himself, even begging God to allow him to be stronger.
He now purposedly takes abilities instead of just absorbing powers around him standing there. He chooses abilities based on what he need at the moment. It is a very logical process, nowhere near close the emotional connections he made before.
To make Peter strong again (if ever), writers will have three options:Allow Peter to reconnect with his empathy again. Allow Peter's ability to evolve and stack abilities he copies Make Peter copy a multi-abilities vessel abilities (ex from Samson or "Nathan")
I would rule-out #3 since they had the opportunity to do it in last episode but made him chose to pick shapeshifting over IA. This leaves #1 and #2 as the most probable scenarios in my opinion.
F.D I like your reasoning. But I will raise a few points, if I may.
You state that Peter's new power reflects his new found "save one person at a time" personality, and that this new personality is witnessed during moments, such as the scene in the church (Fugatives) where peter "begs" god for him to be made stronger.
However, Peter was not like this until season 3 began. At the end of season 2 he was still innocent, and had unconditional love for man.
The way they revealed peter to be the shooter who blasted Nathan, was uncharacteristic, even if it was a future "possible" peter! Peter (from season 1 & 2 shooting his brother?!?!?) would not have done this!!
It changed the direction of Peter, and it was done (had to be done) to counter the exploration of Sylar's "good" character! Sylar becomes "good" and peter becomes "hungry"! then he discovers his dad, and bam! no powers!
It is then that your part, F.D, comes in. His personality changes and the new power reflects this personality. But of course we all know (except master arnino) the old peter was better, stronger, and countered Sylar's steady rise to power!
I dont agree that it was necessary to cull peter's power. and I never will! Every story of this kind has a character which is all good, and reflects what mankind should be like! Just like there is always a sylar, playing the opposite!
I totally agree with you F.D about the possible ways in which Peter would regain his powerful, former self. I personally think it will develop into a power similar to Artur's.
Finally, Mater Arnino.
If you are going to say someone is wrong or right, it is usually expected that a reasoned argument is written, otherwise you tend to sound like a child. However, you are entitled to your opinion, and I respect it.
ok.....First off, I did read your entire post! all four lines of it. very concise and precise.
Secondly, you discounted me, which I would respect more, if you explained. the fact he was too powerful, you say, was the point of reducing him to a lame character.
yet you fail to mention sylar, is he not too powerful? lets strip him of his powers, and give a turd power? I thought not!
Thirdly, I apologise for the childish, child remark. I agree it was petulence on my part. I'm sorry.
However, I still think that you could give a more succinct reply if you are going to discount someone else.
some of these pages are delivered to require a deeper analysis of the show and its characters. I was just trying to state (although rudely, i admit) that a greater level of thought could be required for answering someone's post.
Master Armino.....I TOTALLY underestimated you! and I apologise profusely! I had you in the same bracket as Derek Rick over there! Once again I apologise!
I liked your post! and I agree to a point. I dont know if you've seen another post on this site I wrote a few months back, but it strayed towards never giving Peter his original ability back.
However, my post on this topic was really geared towards peter's character not suiting this new ability. I agree (to a point) about the original ability making it difficult to give the show continuity, using your examples from season two finale and also many other situations, where peter could have used another power to greater effect.
I still believe this is a failure on the writer's part tho. they centred the show on peter too much, and sylar!
Sylar does have to work harder for his powers, and the fact peter could get close to sylar and have those abilities was a flaw.
Yet, in all good stories of this kind, such as harry potter, Superman, Batman, spiderman, etc the good guy is powerful. I appreciate Heroes is different in that there is a need for more than one superhero, otherwise it would be called Hero, but I feel it could have been written in a more layered manner.
For example, peter need not have been the center of the show. it could have been a natural progression, with him acquiring powers slower, and learning to use the powers he acquired to a fuller extent.
On the time travel aspect. I totally agree with you! defo overkill! it ruined Hiro. I backed the writers into a corner, and they never were going to be able to use it for a prolonged period. Teleportation, and stopping time is effective, as long as it is used sparingly, and by one hero only.
I do have a solution to peter's power problem. I have posted this on another topic, but will post it again here.
At the moment peter, as we know, only copies one power at a time, and cannot hold onto more than one power. If this developed into arthur's power it could work really well. As peter does not believe in stripping powers of others (he's had it done to him before) he would not go around just taking powers permanantly. he would only take the powers of people who defo do not want their power, and bad guy's powers who he has defeated!
this would allow other characters to develop, and be just as essential to the story as peter. it gives peter limitations, but allows him to gain power and keep the essence of his character. I still think that peter is more how-a-human-should-be (character wise) than any other character, although I agree Hiro, and Parkman are also good natured characters.
the ratio of villains to heroes is a problem!! in season three it looked like that ratio would be sorted, but once again the show's writers blew it. poor casting, powers and writing gave us lame and tame villians such as knox!
this is something which needs to be addressed! more villians is defo needed, but not in the same manner as season three, where they all teamed up. it was better before they teamed up, and they all had their own agenda's.
I too am worried about the decline in viewers. I'm from the UK and the Heroes fever has defo waned. I will remain a staunch fan tho, whether peter's power changes or not!
Its been good to have this debate. And i apologise for the sniping before. Most of the time debates are held with idiots, who only give a few words of their views and expect people to understand where the hell they are coming from! or they try to shoot you down by saying its just a show, and all that!
Btw, just as an aside....for the proving people liked peter better/or he was better before the change in power...look at the ratings to the show, they started to decline significantly after peter lost his powers, but this could also be down, partly, to the lame season two finale! and any proof i can give is that of peoples opinions. most people i speak to about peter agree it was the wrong method used for placing limitations on him. but i respect that there will always be a split in opinion on matters such as these!
Now that they display recent forum posts in the home page, they might take a closer look at garbage posts with personnal attacks and whatnot.
I think Sylar's version of Empathic Mimicry is what they should've given Peter. Sylar had to actually feel Elle's emotions to copy her ability, and used clairsentience to analyse the shapeshifter's traits.
Okay, Peter is miles further than Sylar as far as empathy goes, but he should have to "try harder" to truely connect with people. Just being a sponge and absorbing whatever ability people around him hardly talking to them was pretty insane. Also, Peter's emotional trait has never actually been empathy, it was sympathy.
I have to disagree with Peter becoming able to steal abilities like Arthur. It doesn't reflect his personality at all. Arthur was an a-hole, taking abilities from people because he thought he deserved them more than their original host. Kind of like Sylar, but more straightforward and less analitic.
I personally thought that having Sylar and Peter being two uber characters was fine. Although writers would've eventually ran out of ideas for the necessary power resets.
F.D you misunderstand my theory of Peter''s ability going in a similar direction as arthur.
The emphasis would be on the fact that peters personality would not enable him to just take powers for greed or more power. he would only take the power of people who dont want them, enabling him to be a saviour for those that i) cannot handle their power and/or ii) do not want the life that a power would bring.
It would suit his character, as he wants to help people, one-at-a-time.
I do like your idea of a deeper absorbing catalyst for peter. expanding on it, how about love? he could only absorb those powers from people he loves? just a thought....
Master, i believe you too have misunderstood me. the ratings part. I was merely suggesting that the people I know who used to watch heroes, stopped watching at certain points. if enough people had actually done the same at the same time, it would be noted, thus people's opinions of the show would have a direct effect on the ratings.
this could be proved with hard evidential fact, as ratings can be obtained from TV websites and journals. you can get specific ratings breakdowns, and gorge correlations between events in the show and drops in the ratings.
You probably know this, as i said, i was misunderstood.
I will be taking a look over at TV.com I'll look out for you:)
Master, further to the various superhero programs.
Hate to nit-pick:)
Superman & Lex Luthur Superman had lots of abilities, and could crush lex, however lex was clever and always had a plan up his sleeve, but superman would not crush him, as it went against his nature to be destructive.
Batman True, did not have powers, and relied on his gadgits, but was still stronger, better trained and more equipped than any of his villians, plus he was extremely rich.....however, he too had a i-do-not-kill code, killing would go against his character
Spiderman Was technically stronger than all of his villians, in the latest movies it took a number of villians to (practically) defeat him! only when his buddy showed up did he beat them all. he too had a good character, wanting to save most of the villians, and was gutted when some died.
it is a trait in all superhero shows/movies/comics etc that there is a superhero who embodies the essence of humankind, the good parts at least. true these may be personified in different ways, using different methods.
In heroes, as you said, it may have been a reason for its intitial success, the use of peter's character as this humankind hero. I agree that the choice of power was going to/and did create too many plot holes, and backed the writer's into corners for possible storylines and season finales. not to mention choosing which powers to use at specific times.
anyhow, enough rambling from me....
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