That certainly was an action-packed couple of hours of television!
Without a doubt, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 2 Episode 21 and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 2 Episode 22 were two of the season's strongest installments. The payoffs delivered and as with all wars, there were sacrifices along the way.
Join TV Fanatics Jim Garner, Allison Nichols, Kathleen Wiedel, Hank Otero and Andy Behbakht of the Helicarrier Podcast to discuss this finale's best moments, the major deaths and of course the big Jemma cliffhanger in our last Round Table discussion of the season.
What was your favorite scene/moment from the Season 2 finale?
Jim: There were so many good scenes it is really hard to pick, but I have to go with Skye fighting Alisha (inhuman who could duplicate herself). Watching her take on three versions of Alisha was pretty awesome, if Skye had her powers during that fight she would have dominated.
Allison: Oh wow, this is hard. I'm going with Cal and Skye saying goodbye (pre-T.A.H.I.T.I. trip). I never expected to get emotional over these two characters, and yet, the writers made it happen.
Kathleen: There were some great scenes in this episode. I'll mention the scene in which Coulson talks down the Mr. Hyde-Cal and convinces him to help them save Skye, when Coulson says that Skye may not be his own daughter, but she's the closest thing he's got.
Andy: The reveal that Secret Warriors is coming in one way or another. This has been something that I think the show should have always introduced because it's a logical storyline and aspect from the comics for the show to explore and use.
Hank: I'm going to go with Coulson diving for the crystal and then Mack chopping his arm off. It's not my favorite scene in the sense Coulson lost an arm, I hate it when he's hurt. It was a great moment because I never expected to see that on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and certainly not Coulson's arm. My jaw hit the floor!
Did you find yourself sympathizing with Jiaying at all? Or were you upset by her villainous turn?
Jim: I was horrified and crushed by her actions and behavior. I knew she hated SHIELD because of HYDRA, but I didn't realize she was still so angry she would murder innocent people just to make a point.
Allison: I was shocked. It all made sense though. She went through an unspeakable trauma, and it was impossible for her to come out unscathed. I just loved the moment where you realized that between Jiaying and Cal, Cal was the good one. It was a nicely done twist.
Kathleen: It's funny how Cal turned out to be the rational, sane one after all, isn't it? I may not have been overly shocked with it, but I completely agree that it was a nice twist nonetheless. I understand why Jiaying is so damaged; who could still be right in the head after being filleted by Whitehall?
Andy: I was somewhat disappointed, but it made it for a very compelling finale and meaningful for Skye's character. I felt more sorry for Cal for having to kill the woman that he loved/used to love (this can be debatable).
Hank: In a matter of episodes I went from excited that Skye met her mother, to despising Jiaying. Once she killed Gonzales (a character I never liked by the way) she had crossed into the villain camp for me. I'm disappointed mostly for Skye, who has been in search of her parents from the moment we met her. Not a happy ending at all.
Was it the right time to say goodbye to Raina? Had the character served her purpose or will you miss her?
Jim: It was a poetic ending for Raina, she clearly had accepted that she would die given that she told Skye to see what was in the darkness. I will miss her a little, but this leaves room for other Inhumans.
Allison: She served her purpose. I'm glad her death had impact and it wasn't done in a hero versus villainous Raina takedown or anything like that, which it most likely would have been if she died by the hand of S.H.I.E.L.D.. I won't really miss her.
Kathleen: So long and thanks for all the fish, Raina. Your time was up, and I won't miss you.
Andy: Well, we didn't really have that much of a choice; Ruth Negga is a series regular on AMC's upcoming Vertigo (I think?) drama, Preacher and I know companies can be touchy about an actor being in competing comic book companies so it was almost written in stone that she was going to die. But the important thing is that she died a HERO and not as a villain.
Hank: In the first season, Raina was one of the more interesting characters. Once she went through the transformation, I never liked her as much. I agree that the character served her purpose and I'll miss Ruth Negga, but not the porcupine.
How will the Terrigen Crystals in the fish oil pills affect the general population? Or will they only affect potential Inhumans?
Jim: First off, the crystals were water soluble? Really?! You mean they could have defeated Jiaying's plan to gas the ship by simply turning the fire hose on the crate of crystals? Ok, that aside, given that it's the diviner (the metal) that turns humans to dust and not the gas I'm suspecting the fish oil is safe for humans, but it could trigger powers in Inhumans that take it.
Allison: I feel like it might cause some people pain or discomfort if they take it regularly, but not enough to really kill someone. As for potential Inhumans, maybe they will get little bouts of power. I can't see someone taking one pill and having the full force and power that Skye had when she went through the transformation. There can't be that much Terrigen in a single pill.
Kathleen: I agree with Jim that it will probably only affect the Inhumans. Coulson and company are going to have fun times on their hands next season!
Andy: I think it's going to affect both sides: we are probably going to hear a lot of death reports as well as mysterious behavior in reports that people are showcasing powers. Let's just hope that Stan Lee doesn't end up taking fish oil pills, like how he drank that weird Hulk drink in one of the Hulk movies. Although he seems to survive everything in the MCU so he should be cool.
Hank: Jim the mist definitely kills regular humans. That's exactly how Jiaying disposed of Gonzales, breaking the crystal. I was also surprised the crystals were water soluble, that's just silly. I tend to agree with Andy, we'll see humans getting sick and Inhumans transforming. It's going to be a busy Season 3 for Coulson and the gang.
Fitz and Simmons were so close to a real date! What are your theories about what the Kree stone did to her?
Jim: I think it's just grabbed her, but as she is not an Inhuman it won't hurt her. Of course the bigger question is, if it will leave her untouched. Knowing that Joss is behind this show, I could easily see them pulling a Fred/Illyria on us where we have Fitz's body hosting another intelligence. But I hope not.
Allison: I was guessing possession. The stone wants Simmons for some reason, which is why it decided to strike even though (assumedly) it has just been playing possum since Gonzales has had it.
Kathleen: My theory is that it's going to turn her into an anti-Inhuman weapon of some flavor or variety.
Andy: Oh dear lord that cliffhanger freaked me out on so many levels! I'm still not sure what it will do, it's probably going to be a good and bad thing for her when we see her next time.
Hank: I like the anti-Inhuman theory Kathleen! I'm thinking the stone transported her to another realm or dimension. I just can't imagine Jemma is stuck inside that thing or possessed by it. They already did something similar with Mack. It would be much more interesting if the team has to go in search of her next season. Where did she end up though; Planet Kree-Lar?