Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Round Table: Ward's Got To Go

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It looks like our big midseason finale battle is going to take place "over there."

Do you think Coulson and Ward will face off on the alien planet or will the evil Inhuman get to them first? Will someone stay stranded on the other side? Can Fitz locate Will and bring him home safely? So much has gone down guys. What do you think of the season so far?

Join TV Fanatics Jim Garner, Robin Harry, Caralynn Lippo, and Hank Otero to discuss all these questions and more in our Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 3 Episode 9 Round Table discussion...

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Did Rosalind's death shock you? How did you feel watching that scene play out?

Jim: Sadly, I totally expected it based on how quickly Rosalind and Phil had made up. The only way her death was going to have the maximum impact on Coulson was if they were completely past last episodes events and back to being a couple.

Robin: Nooooooooooo!!! I was completely shocked! I was devastated for Coulson, that was so hard to watch. When he got back to HQ and all you heard was the noise coming from his office...man, that was difficult.

Caralynn: I was shocked! Mostly because you never expect a (relatively) major character to come out of left field like that within the first 10 minutes of an episode. I had a feeling that Rosalind would die this season, but not so soon and not in that way.

Hank: Unfortunately, Rosalind's death made perfect sense as far as the bigger picture. Coulson is now fully committed to taking Ward down, and he needed that tragic push. However, as Caralynn pointed out, it all happened so quickly and so early into the episode I was totally shocked. I felt terribly for Coulson as well, the poor guy can't catch a break.

Is Ward way past any kind of redemption? Does he have to go or would he make a great supervillain?

Jim: Ward has been way past redemption for a long time. And he is already a pretty good super-villain, if he turned out to be a meta-human and have power, he could become a tremendous "love to hate" bad guy.

Robin: Yeah. It's time to end Ward. I agree that he's already a great supervillain; he's ruthless, unhinged and takes way too much pleasure in doing what he does. That said, I think it's at the point where Ward needs to die a fitting death. He's beyond redemption, and any further usage of him will become cartoony or Sylar-from-Heroes-over-the-top.

Caralynn: I hate to say it but I think he's way beyond redemption. He's just been getting steadily more evil. I kept expecting him to show a flicker of humanity but it's not happening. His whole vengeance-for-Kara thing is not remotely enough to keep him in shades of grey. Something huge would need to happen to make him redeemable. Jim, I really like the idea of Ward becoming a meta-human! Weirdly enough, struggling with that could help to humanize him a bit.

Hank: Though I'd hate to lose Brett Dalton I think he's not only past redemption, but the character is no longer a "love to hate" baddie. He's just overstayed his welcome and really needs to be killed off. I've never seen him as a Red Skull/Loki type supervillain, but with powers Ward might just be interesting enough to keep around. Either way, the guy needs to evolve or die. I'm hoping he somehow goes all Inhuman on us.

Share your favorite moment from the S.H.I.E.L.D. interrogation sequence.

Jim: I loved Coulson hanging up on Ward. My biggest pet peeve for telecommunication is being hung up on. I loathe being hung up on, so I full understand how much it would piss off Ward when Coulson did it.

Robin: My favourite was May. In such a tense and heavy situation, her interrogation brought some levity. "Like I said, there wasn't much talking." Bless you May, oh woman of few words.

Caralynn: Simmons admitting to having a bit of a crush on Ward way back when. I don't know why, but that made me laugh, even though she was super embarrassed about it.

Hank: I'm with Robin, though Daisy's input was probably the most useful, Agent May saying, "There wasn't much talking" was absolutely priceless. I love her so much!

Coulson was pretty badass, but did he really cross a line kidnapping Thomas?

Jim: I don't think the kidnapping crossed the line very badly, (yes it is bad for the Director). However, had they had to follow through on any of the threats to hurt Thomas, that would have crossed a line they couldn't come back from.

Robin: No, he didn't. I think the line would have been crossed if he had actually harmed Thomas, but kidnapping him to get to Ward was sheer genius. I completely forgot about that brother.

Caralynn: Nah. I never felt as though Thomas was in any real danger. I agree with Jim that if Coulson had actually harmed Thomas, that would have been crossing the line, but I figured he wouldn't go there -- and he didn't.

Hank: I agree with everyone on this one. Coulson had to step up his game, but I never felt Ward's bro was in any real danger. Robin, I forgot about the little brother as well, and bringing him in worked so well.

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Were you surprised our characters crossed through the portal so quickly? What do you think will happen on the other side?

Jim: I'm hoping we can finally wrap up the whole monolith storyline before the winter break. Sadly, if they do I suspect it will mean that "it" will get back through as well to be the next big threat.

Robin: Before I even get to that, can I just mention how badass Coulson's dive into the portal was? Had to say it. Anyway, I wasn't particularly surprised that they opened the portal, since Hydra has been opening the portal for centuries. They've always been able to send people, they just never have been able to retrieve them. As for what happens, I think that Ward will be left on the other side.

Caralynn: Yeah, it was weirdly simple. Also, I try to ignore the illogical on shows like this but the fact that Coulson parachuted down and managed to land smack dab in the relatively very small portal was completely absurd. I actually shouted "WTF" when I saw him do that. So silly. I'm sure most of the Hydra men will get slaughtered (except Ward), I'm also sure that the creature will be hitching a ride back to earth.

Hank: I thought the monolith arc was going to last a little longer, but it seems they're wrapping it up by the midseason finale. As far as what's going down on the other side, Coulson and Ward will face off (obviously). I also believe someone will stay on the other side, and the evil Inhuman is returning to Earth. That's the only real game changer I see moving forward.

Share your thoughts on the first half of the season. Thumbs up or down?

Jim: Mostly thumbs up. I'm a little disappointed that we haven't seen as much of the "Secret Warriors" as I was expecting giving the promo imaging Marvel did before the season started, but now that Daisy has a small team behind her, I'm hopeful this will change in the second part of the season.

Robin: Thumbs up, no real complaints here. My only wish was that Rosalind had survived a little longer and had a little more time with Coulson, but I understand how this propels the story so I guess I can accept it. I enjoyed the Lash storyline, and I like the Hydra backstory tied in with the portal. Like Jim, I'm hoping to see some more of Daisy's team, and I really hope they start addressing how unhinged Lincoln is. I do not trust that guy.

Caralynn: Mostly thumbs up as well. I like the team dynamic and I'm looking forward to seeing Lincoln and Joey be integrated into the team more. Also I love everything FitzSimmons this season, heartbreaking as most of it is.

Hank: Two enthusiastic thumbs up for me. I think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. finally found its groove. I struggled through the first season and hated the whole "Real S.H.I.E.L.D." arc last year. The writers have got the pacing down, and none of these episodes have felt like filler. I'm with Jimbo, I expected more "Secret Warriors" but if the evil Inhuman crosses over they'll have their work cut out for them in the second half of the season. Overall, I'm diggin' Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 3 and it's a shame more folks haven't given the show a second chance. It's one of the most improved of the series I watch.

NOTE: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 3 Episode 10 is titled "Maveth" and airs on Tuesday, December 8.

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 3 Episode 9 Quotes

Fitz: We're never going to help you open another bloody portal.
Gideon: Nobody's asking you to. See, HYDRA's been opening one portal or another for centuries. All it takes is a few stones and a building with just the right vibrational frequency.
Fitz: What's all this about then?
Gideon: The other thing.
Simmons: They don't know how to get back.

Coulson: Sounds like there's a lot you're willing to forgive.
Daisy: I will never forgive him. He murdered Rosalind just to hurt you. He killed Koenig because of me.
Coulson: He knew once Koenig outed him as HYDRA he'd lose you.
Daisy: And the sad part is, that's when I finally understood him for the first time. The reason Ward kills isn't because he feels nothing. It's because he feels too much.