PabloSplinter Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 4:59 PM
this is the thing that gets to me most. the writers trying to get you to watch the next episode by building something up but then when it comes they don't know what they are doing.
the two biggest examples of this to my mind are:
1.ITS COMING..
what is? nothing happened?
2.this week a hero travels back in time to learn about the villains past.
ok. what did Hiro learn. nothing. and he can't remember it now anyway
3. didn't HRG big up Jesse's powers by saying something like "you don't want to know what this guy can do"
Yeah. Nothing. Sylar killed him in about 30 seconds.
it sounds like i really don't like heroes but i am trying to get through it hoping that it will improve.
i wish i could ignore all of this, but i can't
PabloSplinter Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 4:49 PM
i. like most people, groaned when we found out that Sylar was a member of the Petrelli family.
but now if it turns out that he isn't, i think that could be the last straw.
Jason. Thanks man, i hadn't heard anything about that.
P.sthe great thing about season one was that it did leave many questions unanswered.
i really can't decide whether i think heroes can be saved or not.
jason
December 5th, 2008 1:57 PM
I dont need everything answered, leave me guessing some, leaving me wanting more, leave the intrigue and mysticism.
But when you do give answers... dont give bull shit cop out half ass excuses.
Jason
December 5th, 2008 1:53 PM
Evan
The whole giving sylar Telekinesis is just utter bullshit. The only reason they let him keep that ability is because its his "main" power and the only reason hes a true threat. Theres infinite possibilities with telekinesis so they let him keep that power to keep him an imposing threat....
Problem is, they came up with a bullshit C rated excuses as to why he was able to keep that power...
like I said, bullshit
Jason
December 5th, 2008 1:49 PM
Pablo
In the next two episodes were going to be introduced to a homeless man, played by Chat Faust (Kyle Bauldwin from the 4400) who has the ability to create earthquakes threw seismic activity.
This is the man who can tear the world apart and one of the main threats of the next volume. Along with Nathan and his army of super power soldiers
Evan S.
December 5th, 2008 11:52 AM
I agree with everything that has been said. The way this show goes now makes me seriously believe these writers are making up everything as they go along, episode-by-episode. There is no planning, only whims. It seems they prefer to just come up with some random crap one moment and leave you stumped and only "answer" the reasoning in these behind the scenes things. Don't get me wrong, that can be ok, but Heroes does it exclusively now.
Sylar losing all his powers except intuitive aptitude and telekinesis is a perfect example. So their answer to Sylar getting telekinesis back along with intuitive aptitude is due to the "emotional trauma"? That...makes no sense. Like I said, I don't mind leaving some questions unanswered and waiting for the writers to comment because most of the time the fans can figure them out. But how the hell could anyone come up with that!? I doubt the writers even knew, they probably forgot Sylar couldn't use telekinesis and just said to hell with it, we'll giv
PabloSplinter Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 9:00 AM
whatever happened to that picture of the world exploding?
and Hiros visit to the future where he saw that explosion?
PabloSplinter Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 8:03 AM
Gino-
"She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy."
yes she was. that was not how the scene was directed or acted. Elle is just as big a nutcase as sylar.
she was encouraging sylar to kill him.
what this i hear about sylar in volume4 searching for answers about his past. just go around slicing peoples heads open. that is what people want to see.
Sum1
December 5th, 2008 2:40 AM
I miss the days when Sylar was a magnificently villanous psychopath. Good times. Good times.
Milcmann Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 12:39 AM
Another thing. WHo said taht the powers were injected into everyone. The only people that we know of are the Ali Larter sexiness triplets, Nathan, and Seresh( whom I wish would fall on a hand grenade). It is a goal of Daddy dearest to give powers to an army. I just think that we are all fanatics gone wild.
I agree the writing is spotty at best but all in all it is still a great show. It was very hard to live up to season 1. The bottom line is we are all gonna watch it Monday. Some of us will watch it several times.. lol... lets let the story unravel and see how they pull it all together before we can it.
Milcmann Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 12:00 AM
I agree with alot of what was said above. Howerver, a few things to remeber is that what we do on this site is analize, analize, and then critique. There is so much to tell is this story that they are cutting corners.
1. HRG didnt shoot at the makeout cause he maybe a perve( maybe opening for a later story).
2. Hiro and Ando walked to the comic shop (no powers at the time to teleport)
3. I think they are going with something in the flip flop of Sylar. Remember, you cannot judge a Heroes season until its done.
Gino
December 4th, 2008 9:28 PM
Some clarity on Elle:
Ok, people. The deal with Elle was that she wanted Sylar to decide for himself who he wanted to be. She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy. After all, she is partly responsible for him turning out the way he did. Do you really think her guilt is so fleeting?
Think of the rental incident as a test, so that he would have to choose: Am I reformed? Am I going to walk away from this? Can I resist the urge, or will I kill? Note that we never get to see what happened other than that they get the car in the end.
Elle has always been a little off, a little inappropriate, has pulled stunts in public like that before. I think people need to pay more attention and not assume she's just evil--clearly she is more complicated than that.
Another point--Recall that Elle was very concerned when Arthur told Sylar to go after Claire. Do you think she was concerned about Claire? Bah. She was worried about Sylar getting in
akdaryn
December 4th, 2008 6:52 PM
Pay attention before you complain. Sylar gains the power to use abilities via empathy. So that's how Future Sylar got those powers again. In fact, having Peter's empathy means he could have gotten all of them back just from Peter.
I think too that he can gain a bunch of information other than powers from people's brains; obviously he seems something else too in Claire. That explains why Present Peter attacks Nathan in the future (or why the hunger drove him to do it).
Sezza80
December 4th, 2008 6:46 PM
What was stupid regarding Elle and Sylar was one episode (part 1 with the rental guy) she was telling Sylar he needed to reject people trying to make him good and instead be bad and then in the next episode (part 2 on the beach) waffling on about how he'd changed and how things could be different. Condradicting herself much!
The writers didn't seem to have discussed that with each other (if indeed for these 2 episodes there were two teams of writers). I don't think the writers' strike was a good break, it seems to have made everyone stupid.
herogirl
December 4th, 2008 4:39 PM
i can think ive so many answers to the shows writing and its inconsistencies, but right now i think why bother?!! i used to be the biggest fan of heroes, now even i dont think itll make it past vol 4
PabloSplinter Rank: Guest Star
December 4th, 2008 4:26 PM
Aaron-
"P.S.: I don't care where the abilities came from. I really don't. Stop explaining it."
i almost completely agree but only to the point that powers aren't just injected into people or swapped around all the time.
also i would really like to know why arthur wants everyone to have abilities. what does he get out of it.
and what exactly did hiro learn from going back in time. Nothing.
hold on, he can't remember it now anyway can he?!!!!
Aaron
December 4th, 2008 4:06 PM
Re: Peter "Remember when Peter was going to cut Nathan's head open because the "hunger" was driving him to KNOW everything?"
DING, DING! I know this isn't the place for fan theories, but I think that's the answer. Sylar is going get the answers from her brain. But anywho:
What do I want to see from the show? They've already gotten part of it:
1) I wanted Hiro to be fun again. He got so damn serious about everything.
2) Stop recycling plotlines: maybe, just maybe, they don't have to save the world every 12 months. Certainly a *team* of writers can figure out an engaging story without that crutch.
3) GIVE US OUR FULLY POWERED PETER vs. SYLAR SMACK-DOWN! You know, the one you robbed us of at the end of Season 1?
4) We need a villian. A real one. Sylar was good, but now you've Borg-ed him up, Adam never did anything remotely scary and Arthur has been a horrid disappointment (DO SOMETHING!). Hell, Maury had potential and you just got rid of him.
5) If the
PabloSplinter Rank: Guest Star
December 4th, 2008 3:46 PM
i think that all of the incosistencies in the third season are bad but for me the biggest problem is the overall direction which the show is taking.
the moment it was made possible that powers could be transferred, taken, INJECTED, it just felt so dissapointing. what happened to the sense of fate and mystery that drove the first season.i thought that the eclipse might provide some welcome mystery and a sense of grandeur but it didn't change anything. if anything it made it worse because it was the most obvious plot device ever. much was promised but nothing developed.
i think that to give the show more mystery they should have peter get his powers back in a natural way such as he just learns them again with NO INJECTIONS PLEASE.
i think that i would quite like it if peter just discobered that he still had his powers.
BTW jason. good on ya for sending that. i agree with it completely.
" You can’t ask your fans to disregard the mytho’s and rules you’ve set up" absolutely spo
peter
December 4th, 2008 3:30 PM
OK, here's my take on some of the Sylar shenanigans:
Remember when Peter was going to cut Nathan's head open because the "hunger" was driving him to KNOW everything? Ostensibly, the old telekinetic finger to the noggin routine can provide more than simply powers - intuitive aptitude seems to give you the ability to yield desired info from rooting around someone's brain. Sylar didn't believe Elle, or at least wanted to see for sure, on the subject of whether his file did or did not support the "Sylar Petrelli" claim. The hunger was an info quest not a power quest in this instance.
However, he didn't really seem to finish the job on Elle, did he? We hear her screaming for a second or two, and then Sylar just kind of falls back with this weird look on his face. I don't think he really killed her, completely, yet.
I agree his character is totally in the toilet at the moment - I thought this was the guy who suddenly understands everything? The only defense I can offer for t
jason
December 4th, 2008 3:09 PM
This is something I sent in to Comic Book Resources dot com to be answered by Joe Pokaski & Aron Coliete in the next "Behind the Eclipse" interview. I think it fits in perfectly with your complaints, especially your last bullet.
"In past Behind The Eclipse interviews you’ve claimed that the Shanti Virus has stripped Syler of all of his powers expect Intuitive Aptitude (because its his original power) and Telekinesis (because of the emotional trauma he went thru when he killed Davis). But in the episode “I am become death” , Sylar uses both Issac’s painting precog power, and Ted’s Induced Radioactivity. You claimed that since this takes place four years in the future that Sylar has gotten those two powers from other people…
So are you seriously expecting us to believe that this is a “reformed” Sylar who was able to become a good guy and doesn’t kill anymore. But in the process of becoming this reformed man he still killed and stole two of the exact same powe
jason
December 4th, 2008 3:09 PM
This is something I sent in to Comic Book Resources dot com to be answered by Joe Pokaski & Aron Coliete in the next "Behind the Eclipse" interview. I think it fits in perfectly with your complaints, especially your last bullet.
"In past Behind The Eclipse interviews you’ve claimed that the Shanti Virus has stripped Syler of all of his powers expect Intuitive Aptitude (because its his original power) and Telekinesis (because of the emotional trauma he went thru when he killed Davis). But in the episode “I am become death” , Sylar uses both Issac’s painting precog power, and Ted’s Induced Radioactivity. You claimed that since this takes place four years in the future that Sylar has gotten those two powers from other people…
So are you seriously expecting us to believe that this is a “reformed” Sylar who was able to become a good guy and doesn’t kill anymore. But in the process of becoming this reformed man he still killed and stole two of the exact same powe
heroesfangirl
December 4th, 2008 12:45 PM
i agree totally about sylar!! he is soo confusing?!? first he is like making out with elle, then locking her in an elevator, then they are 'together' and acting all 'cute couple', then he kills her?!?!? wtf heroes! i am like the biggest obsesser over heroes and the whole sylar thing is rediculous! if he is going to be good, then he should stay that way for at least 3 episodes!! not changing every minute!!!
Sylar: I can't bring Nathan back Peter, but I can sure as Hell swing a sledgehammer.
Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 4:59 PM
this is the thing that gets to me most. the writers trying to get you to watch the next episode by building something up but then when it comes they don't know what they are doing.
the two biggest examples of this to my mind are:
1.ITS COMING..
what is? nothing happened?
2.this week a hero travels back in time to learn about the villains past.
ok. what did Hiro learn. nothing. and he can't remember it now anyway
3. didn't HRG big up Jesse's powers by saying something like "you don't want to know what this guy can do"
Yeah. Nothing. Sylar killed him in about 30 seconds.
it sounds like i really don't like heroes but i am trying to get through it hoping that it will improve.
i wish i could ignore all of this, but i can't
Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 4:49 PM
i. like most people, groaned when we found out that Sylar was a member of the Petrelli family.
but now if it turns out that he isn't, i think that could be the last straw.
Jason. Thanks man, i hadn't heard anything about that.
P.sthe great thing about season one was that it did leave many questions unanswered.
i really can't decide whether i think heroes can be saved or not.
December 5th, 2008 1:57 PM
I dont need everything answered, leave me guessing some, leaving me wanting more, leave the intrigue and mysticism.
But when you do give answers... dont give bull shit cop out half ass excuses.
December 5th, 2008 1:53 PM
Evan
The whole giving sylar Telekinesis is just utter bullshit. The only reason they let him keep that ability is because its his "main" power and the only reason hes a true threat. Theres infinite possibilities with telekinesis so they let him keep that power to keep him an imposing threat....
Problem is, they came up with a bullshit C rated excuses as to why he was able to keep that power...
like I said, bullshit
December 5th, 2008 1:49 PM
Pablo
In the next two episodes were going to be introduced to a homeless man, played by Chat Faust (Kyle Bauldwin from the 4400) who has the ability to create earthquakes threw seismic activity.
This is the man who can tear the world apart and one of the main threats of the next volume. Along with Nathan and his army of super power soldiers
December 5th, 2008 11:52 AM
I agree with everything that has been said. The way this show goes now makes me seriously believe these writers are making up everything as they go along, episode-by-episode. There is no planning, only whims. It seems they prefer to just come up with some random crap one moment and leave you stumped and only "answer" the reasoning in these behind the scenes things. Don't get me wrong, that can be ok, but Heroes does it exclusively now.
Sylar losing all his powers except intuitive aptitude and telekinesis is a perfect example. So their answer to Sylar getting telekinesis back along with intuitive aptitude is due to the "emotional trauma"? That...makes no sense. Like I said, I don't mind leaving some questions unanswered and waiting for the writers to comment because most of the time the fans can figure them out. But how the hell could anyone come up with that!? I doubt the writers even knew, they probably forgot Sylar couldn't use telekinesis and just said to hell with it, we'll giv
Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 9:00 AM
whatever happened to that picture of the world exploding?
and Hiros visit to the future where he saw that explosion?
Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 8:03 AM
Gino-
"She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy."
yes she was. that was not how the scene was directed or acted. Elle is just as big a nutcase as sylar.
she was encouraging sylar to kill him.
what this i hear about sylar in volume4 searching for answers about his past. just go around slicing peoples heads open. that is what people want to see.
December 5th, 2008 2:40 AM
I miss the days when Sylar was a magnificently villanous psychopath. Good times. Good times.
Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 12:39 AM
Another thing. WHo said taht the powers were injected into everyone. The only people that we know of are the Ali Larter sexiness triplets, Nathan, and Seresh( whom I wish would fall on a hand grenade). It is a goal of Daddy dearest to give powers to an army. I just think that we are all fanatics gone wild.
I agree the writing is spotty at best but all in all it is still a great show. It was very hard to live up to season 1. The bottom line is we are all gonna watch it Monday. Some of us will watch it several times.. lol... lets let the story unravel and see how they pull it all together before we can it.
Rank: Guest Star
December 5th, 2008 12:00 AM
I agree with alot of what was said above. Howerver, a few things to remeber is that what we do on this site is analize, analize, and then critique. There is so much to tell is this story that they are cutting corners.
1. HRG didnt shoot at the makeout cause he maybe a perve( maybe opening for a later story).
2. Hiro and Ando walked to the comic shop (no powers at the time to teleport)
3. I think they are going with something in the flip flop of Sylar. Remember, you cannot judge a Heroes season until its done.
December 4th, 2008 9:28 PM
Some clarity on Elle:
Ok, people. The deal with Elle was that she wanted Sylar to decide for himself who he wanted to be. She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy. After all, she is partly responsible for him turning out the way he did. Do you really think her guilt is so fleeting?
Think of the rental incident as a test, so that he would have to choose: Am I reformed? Am I going to walk away from this? Can I resist the urge, or will I kill? Note that we never get to see what happened other than that they get the car in the end.
Elle has always been a little off, a little inappropriate, has pulled stunts in public like that before. I think people need to pay more attention and not assume she's just evil--clearly she is more complicated than that.
Another point--Recall that Elle was very concerned when Arthur told Sylar to go after Claire. Do you think she was concerned about Claire? Bah. She was worried about Sylar getting in
December 4th, 2008 6:52 PM
Pay attention before you complain. Sylar gains the power to use abilities via empathy. So that's how Future Sylar got those powers again. In fact, having Peter's empathy means he could have gotten all of them back just from Peter.
I think too that he can gain a bunch of information other than powers from people's brains; obviously he seems something else too in Claire. That explains why Present Peter attacks Nathan in the future (or why the hunger drove him to do it).
December 4th, 2008 6:46 PM
What was stupid regarding Elle and Sylar was one episode (part 1 with the rental guy) she was telling Sylar he needed to reject people trying to make him good and instead be bad and then in the next episode (part 2 on the beach) waffling on about how he'd changed and how things could be different. Condradicting herself much!
The writers didn't seem to have discussed that with each other (if indeed for these 2 episodes there were two teams of writers). I don't think the writers' strike was a good break, it seems to have made everyone stupid.
December 4th, 2008 4:39 PM
i can think ive so many answers to the shows writing and its inconsistencies, but right now i think why bother?!! i used to be the biggest fan of heroes, now even i dont think itll make it past vol 4
Rank: Guest Star
December 4th, 2008 4:26 PM
Aaron-
"P.S.: I don't care where the abilities came from. I really don't. Stop explaining it."
i almost completely agree but only to the point that powers aren't just injected into people or swapped around all the time.
also i would really like to know why arthur wants everyone to have abilities. what does he get out of it.
and what exactly did hiro learn from going back in time. Nothing.
hold on, he can't remember it now anyway can he?!!!!
December 4th, 2008 4:06 PM
Re: Peter "Remember when Peter was going to cut Nathan's head open because the "hunger" was driving him to KNOW everything?"
DING, DING! I know this isn't the place for fan theories, but I think that's the answer. Sylar is going get the answers from her brain. But anywho:
What do I want to see from the show? They've already gotten part of it:
1) I wanted Hiro to be fun again. He got so damn serious about everything.
2) Stop recycling plotlines: maybe, just maybe, they don't have to save the world every 12 months. Certainly a *team* of writers can figure out an engaging story without that crutch.
3) GIVE US OUR FULLY POWERED PETER vs. SYLAR SMACK-DOWN! You know, the one you robbed us of at the end of Season 1?
4) We need a villian. A real one. Sylar was good, but now you've Borg-ed him up, Adam never did anything remotely scary and Arthur has been a horrid disappointment (DO SOMETHING!). Hell, Maury had potential and you just got rid of him.
5) If the
Rank: Guest Star
December 4th, 2008 3:46 PM
i think that all of the incosistencies in the third season are bad but for me the biggest problem is the overall direction which the show is taking.
the moment it was made possible that powers could be transferred, taken, INJECTED, it just felt so dissapointing. what happened to the sense of fate and mystery that drove the first season.i thought that the eclipse might provide some welcome mystery and a sense of grandeur but it didn't change anything. if anything it made it worse because it was the most obvious plot device ever. much was promised but nothing developed.
i think that to give the show more mystery they should have peter get his powers back in a natural way such as he just learns them again with NO INJECTIONS PLEASE.
i think that i would quite like it if peter just discobered that he still had his powers.
BTW jason. good on ya for sending that. i agree with it completely.
" You can’t ask your fans to disregard the mytho’s and rules you’ve set up" absolutely spo
December 4th, 2008 3:30 PM
OK, here's my take on some of the Sylar shenanigans:
Remember when Peter was going to cut Nathan's head open because the "hunger" was driving him to KNOW everything? Ostensibly, the old telekinetic finger to the noggin routine can provide more than simply powers - intuitive aptitude seems to give you the ability to yield desired info from rooting around someone's brain. Sylar didn't believe Elle, or at least wanted to see for sure, on the subject of whether his file did or did not support the "Sylar Petrelli" claim. The hunger was an info quest not a power quest in this instance.
However, he didn't really seem to finish the job on Elle, did he? We hear her screaming for a second or two, and then Sylar just kind of falls back with this weird look on his face. I don't think he really killed her, completely, yet.
I agree his character is totally in the toilet at the moment - I thought this was the guy who suddenly understands everything? The only defense I can offer for t
December 4th, 2008 3:09 PM
This is something I sent in to Comic Book Resources dot com to be answered by Joe Pokaski & Aron Coliete in the next "Behind the Eclipse" interview. I think it fits in perfectly with your complaints, especially your last bullet.
"In past Behind The Eclipse interviews you’ve claimed that the Shanti Virus has stripped Syler of all of his powers expect Intuitive Aptitude (because its his original power) and Telekinesis (because of the emotional trauma he went thru when he killed Davis). But in the episode “I am become death” , Sylar uses both Issac’s painting precog power, and Ted’s Induced Radioactivity. You claimed that since this takes place four years in the future that Sylar has gotten those two powers from other people…
So are you seriously expecting us to believe that this is a “reformed” Sylar who was able to become a good guy and doesn’t kill anymore. But in the process of becoming this reformed man he still killed and stole two of the exact same powe
December 4th, 2008 3:09 PM
This is something I sent in to Comic Book Resources dot com to be answered by Joe Pokaski & Aron Coliete in the next "Behind the Eclipse" interview. I think it fits in perfectly with your complaints, especially your last bullet.
"In past Behind The Eclipse interviews you’ve claimed that the Shanti Virus has stripped Syler of all of his powers expect Intuitive Aptitude (because its his original power) and Telekinesis (because of the emotional trauma he went thru when he killed Davis). But in the episode “I am become death” , Sylar uses both Issac’s painting precog power, and Ted’s Induced Radioactivity. You claimed that since this takes place four years in the future that Sylar has gotten those two powers from other people…
So are you seriously expecting us to believe that this is a “reformed” Sylar who was able to become a good guy and doesn’t kill anymore. But in the process of becoming this reformed man he still killed and stole two of the exact same powe
December 4th, 2008 12:45 PM
i agree totally about sylar!! he is soo confusing?!? first he is like making out with elle, then locking her in an elevator, then they are 'together' and acting all 'cute couple', then he kills her?!?!? wtf heroes! i am like the biggest obsesser over heroes and the whole sylar thing is rediculous! if he is going to be good, then he should stay that way for at least 3 episodes!! not changing every minute!!!