Heroes Review: The Biggest Cop Out in TV History Comments (Page 2)
31 Comments
JG
January 20th, 2010 1:57 PM
Come on everybody....lets face it. This show is no longer good because it has transitioned from one of suspense/action/mystery (ala LOST), to one of emotions/relationships/moral dilemmas (ala DYNASTY). This show is nothing more than a late night soap opera, an ugly cousin to the daytime soap PASSIONS (which also focused on the supernatural and love). It is so painful seeing a show that once left you begging for Monday to come faster, to a show that clogs up your DVR until you can find the patience to be disappointed again.
RIP Heroes. Great premise. May another show come along that actually fulfills the promise you once displayed.
Watchingdog
January 20th, 2010 10:17 AM
Perhaps this episode can best be viewed as an analog of the network debate to justify another season.
The main weaknesses I see with this series is a lack of character growth, perhaps enforced by fixed sets of writing guidelines for each character, and an over-emphasis on the unfailing moral corruption of absolute power -- this seems to give the series the atmosphere of a never ending war that is gradually being lost. I think we need to see some signs of progress toward a better life with each episode.
Perhaps Clare needs to meet West Rosen again as he seemed to fill in the gaps in her characterization. There was a hint that he might, like 'The Shadow,' be able to selectively cloud men's minds so they would not see him.
Picazo Rank: Recurring Character
January 20th, 2010 9:21 AM
@ Dave: “which is why Claire couldn’t heal properly after being at the carnival, why Samuel’s power has grown and why sylar was weak?
Yes Samuel Powers do get stronger by having more people with ability around him. Claire not been able to heal after been at the Carnival was because Peter had the Haitian ability that was stopping her from healing; please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. However you do have a good point there, if their ability get weaken by been around Samuel, That where Ando come in and help then recharge hopefully some power evolvement would be nice too.
Jerry
January 20th, 2010 12:17 AM
This show goes everywhere and nowhere. I have kept thinking season after season that this show was actually going to go somewhere or end at least 1 plot line. Nope. I'm so frustrated. This show could really have been good. I love some of the characters. Oh well.
new hero fan
January 19th, 2010 10:57 PM
A few weeks ago i finally saw my first episode of hero. i fell in love and bought all three seasons and hulu season four to catch up. i am very disappointed at the progression of this show. Ok this is what i was hoping would happen in this week's episode but didn't happen : as a hero claire should try to stop a psycho like sylar given the chance (after all what she wants to do is to save the world) by showing some sympathy towards him and try to change him not behave the way she did. I love the old hiro and like that they kept him.. Hiro is the only one gungho about saving the world and the only comic relief. However i hope the season ends like this : I want them to bring back Angela's sister the one that control the weather to have a show down with Samuel as he controls the earth ... and then have it turn out to be a little world where Matt has trap them but reality it didn't happen...
Nikki
January 19th, 2010 9:43 PM
I was soooo frustrated with last night's episode. I am annoyed with the Claire/Gretchen storyline because honestly it is pointless and doesn't add much to the show. Is Claire seriously wanting to take things to the next level?? I don't even think they have that much chemistry. Gretchen irritates me.
And if they wanted to waste that much time on Syler/Claire they should have had something meaningful happen between them. For real. What's the point of bringing it up and then having Claire run to Gretchen? Soo frustrating.
And the whole Hiro situation felt pointless. I love Heroes. Really, I do, but I just want some action...good action. Or at least a good storyline.
Dave
January 19th, 2010 8:52 PM
just to add to/alter my last comment, it probably makes more sense for peter to stop emma killing everyone, and sylar to stop samuel, the chemistry between characters is better that way...
Dave
January 19th, 2010 8:48 PM
this is my first ever comment about heroes so apologies if at any point im stating the obvious...after season 1 heroes was always going to struggle, and i agree that the storylines have been incredibly poor since then, this season being no exception. but if i can find some positive areas i will. we at least now know that samuel is basically mad, and incredibly powerful - am i right in saying that he draws his power from other heroes - which is why claire couldnt heal properly after being at the carnival, why samuel's power has grown and why sylar was weak?
this means that for the last few episodes we at least have a main bad guy, which leads up to a good finale.
predictions: sylar needs to get rid of his powers to become a normal guy? sylar's original power allows him to take other heroes power without killing them - when he empathises with them, surely this is perfect for peter, he would be able to become powerful again as he is an empath and could have anyones power if he stays
Xlegacy420
January 19th, 2010 6:05 PM
At the end of the episode he took out a town. Enough said
Stiles
January 19th, 2010 5:20 PM
Have to agree with M.L. House completely
Although Heroes aired one of the best 1st seasons ever, it has been going steadily downhill from there. I see hints about a plot from time to time, but then the storyline seems to change, and leave me with no sense of direction. Kring has taken a lot of potential, and turned it into a giant mess..
I'm not into cliches, but to captivate your audience, you need to set up a plot, reveal bits and pieces throughout the season for the plot to thicken, and then have a big finish, and Heroes, I'm sad to say, have had none of that since the 1st season. Having a bunch of interesting characters that worked so well for the 1st season because they all seemed connected, is destroying it at the moment, characters just come and go on a whim of the writers.
Kudos M.L. House
Picazo Rank: Recurring Character
January 19th, 2010 1:33 PM
Wow I like what going on in here; I want to add that even though I am a HUGE Heroes Fan, I am afraid to admit that for a few minutes I felt bad for the show last night and I hated that feeling, Samuel and Vanessa scene was a waste of time, so was Sylar and Claire, I used to be fun of Claire but now I hate her she so annoying and she is killing the show. “The person I was watching the show with last Night told me that a Mateo Rock should fall on Claire may be that would stop her from regenerating, no lies that was said” I don’t mind Hiro time so much I just hope that they move forward from now on with his story.
Over all there Last Night episode was OK but it dragged for a while, I think the only good thing that this show is good at is on cliffhanging, at the end of every episode things get good and make want to watch the next episode just to find out another disappointment... UGH I am frustrated with this show. But let see what happens….
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
January 19th, 2010 12:03 PM
Thank you to everyone for commenting. I appreciate both positive and negative feedback.
It's true that I've stopped even trying to censor my negativity because I want to be an honest reviewer. The show has also positively plummeted over the last few weeks... nothing at all happens on it. There are just three episodes remaining in the season and I'd love for any viewer to defend where Heroes is going and try to explain how it's building momentum toward the finale, as any show should do. It legitimately feels like the writers aren't even trying.
Webb
January 19th, 2010 12:03 PM
The storyline with Hiro is absolutely killing me. There is never any payoff on the drama created in earlier episodes. At the beginning of the season, we were told that Hiro was going to die. For this show to retain any credibility, they had to deliver on that statement. I do like Hiro as a character, but it reminds me of Lost. In season three of Lost, the show promised that fan favorite Charlie would die. Then, they followed through with the greatest death scene a character had on the show. Yes Hiro is a fan favorite character, but if there is never any real danger, what is the point of telling the story at all. I believe, for this show to regain credibility and actual drama, they should have carried this story line to a logical conclusion: Hiro heroically sacrifices himself by using his power one last time to stop Samuel or Sylar or who ever the hell will end up being the villain
Justvisiting
January 19th, 2010 11:42 AM
I love everyone who says the show will come around. Let's enjoy this crap and hope things will get better. Let me know when better comes around so i can skip the stupid episodes. M.L.House your spot on with your review, how low can we go?
JettaFlair
January 19th, 2010 11:37 AM
Much respect to the site leaders for being honest and brave enough to comment the way they have on the show. It is not easy nowadays to take that route and the fact that they are even responding to some of the visiting commentors lashings at them shows a lot class. Reviews are generally subjective, so don't get your fanboy panties in a twist.
Heroes has been lacking since Season 2. Whether or not the timing of the writers strike is to blame is moot now as we are in Season 4 and the story has not progressed much further than where we left it in Season 2. There is a gross misuse of characters as cheap plot devices and a tend to make the coolest characters (Samuel being the latest) be driven by the most teenage of desires. I will refrain from further examples as we have tired them out in previous posts.
My last thought to the visitors would be to temper your hopes with a little bit of realism and take notice of this show's degrading ability to provide intelligent quality enterta
Gabriel
January 19th, 2010 11:25 AM
This episode basically tanked the storyline. Yes we shouldn't be so quick to assume that this episode concludes the storyline of every hero or so called villain in the show, however since Volume 3, every episode has become too direct or predictable that it is safe to assume that this is where the storyline will conclude and the final episodes will be about the characters coming into realization.
Even though the episode was a disappointment, there are a few good things to look forward to because of it.
Hiro - this episode finally brought out a dramatic side in Hiro's story. Fans already know that around this time of the season, Hiro's antics has to be explained. What better way to receive a message than have one of those moments where you could have walked into the light but in the last minute you come back to earth?
What goes wrong here is Hiro was supposed to die. I don't like that idea but that was the judgement... so why would the mother come out of nowhere to give
J
January 19th, 2010 10:38 AM
Its hard to read your reviews anymore since you are so biased in your own opinions. Yes the show has slipped since the new year and I'm disappointed as well. But I think it will come around. I enjoyed the first half of this season and it hasn't been as terrible as you make it sound. Its definitely not as big as it was the first season, which is why the ratings dropped, but its not a sunken ship yet!
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
January 19th, 2010 10:33 AM
Hiro's mother said, prior to kissing him, that she was "curing" him. Could she have meant something more metaphorical? I suppose. But it's not exactly a huge leap to assume she meant the cancer when he then woke up and was all smiles talking to Ando.
Sez
January 19th, 2010 10:29 AM
How do you know Hiro is 'cured', all we saw was that he survived surgery. For all we know the 'healing kiss' was just a metephor for the fact that his mother mother cured his feelings of failure and betraying his 'code'. We have no way of knowing what his condition is until they inform us as to what happened. Yes he survived surgery but we don't know how or why.
Of course such a negative site would jump to conclusions that are currently baseless and not wait to find out what really occured. Maybe the tumor was worked on and his condition improved (enough for him to survive the surgery) and his subconscience dealt with it by imagining his mother had healed him and egged him on to fight back. We don't know if he is completely cured so please stop acting as though you do (unless you know something more than us mere plebs).
There was plenty I disliked about this epsiode but I don't assume anything, we don't know why certain things happened and we certainly don't know the outcome yet.
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Mich
January 19th, 2010 9:46 AM
Jesus, you are such a negative nancy. I still enjoy it!!! And as usual i'm sure the season fanale will blow us away. Had you ever thought that maybe it's all part of a bigger picture. That is my hope, and if it's not then, so be it.
yaven
January 19th, 2010 7:42 AM
I totally agree. Wasn't it for Hiro that Peter had to get the healing power? It's as if they forgot how important Hiro's abilities are to save the world.
And the Samuel+Vanessa parts were really boring. I can't believe I've waited for this episode to come out so then I can skip parts.
And one more thing: why are the main female characters blond? It is a little bit irritating that all the new heroines look alike. I mean Lauren and Vanessa could even play sisters.
Sylar: I can't bring Nathan back Peter, but I can sure as Hell swing a sledgehammer.
January 20th, 2010 1:57 PM
Come on everybody....lets face it. This show is no longer good because it has transitioned from one of suspense/action/mystery (ala LOST), to one of emotions/relationships/moral dilemmas (ala DYNASTY). This show is nothing more than a late night soap opera, an ugly cousin to the daytime soap PASSIONS (which also focused on the supernatural and love). It is so painful seeing a show that once left you begging for Monday to come faster, to a show that clogs up your DVR until you can find the patience to be disappointed again.
RIP Heroes. Great premise. May another show come along that actually fulfills the promise you once displayed.
January 20th, 2010 10:17 AM
Perhaps this episode can best be viewed as an analog of the network debate to justify another season.
The main weaknesses I see with this series is a lack of character growth, perhaps enforced by fixed sets of writing guidelines for each character, and an over-emphasis on the unfailing moral corruption of absolute power -- this seems to give the series the atmosphere of a never ending war that is gradually being lost. I think we need to see some signs of progress toward a better life with each episode.
Perhaps Clare needs to meet West Rosen again as he seemed to fill in the gaps in her characterization. There was a hint that he might, like 'The Shadow,' be able to selectively cloud men's minds so they would not see him.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 20th, 2010 9:21 AM
@ Dave: “which is why Claire couldn’t heal properly after being at the carnival, why Samuel’s power has grown and why sylar was weak?
Yes Samuel Powers do get stronger by having more people with ability around him. Claire not been able to heal after been at the Carnival was because Peter had the Haitian ability that was stopping her from healing; please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. However you do have a good point there, if their ability get weaken by been around Samuel, That where Ando come in and help then recharge hopefully some power evolvement would be nice too.
January 20th, 2010 12:17 AM
This show goes everywhere and nowhere. I have kept thinking season after season that this show was actually going to go somewhere or end at least 1 plot line. Nope. I'm so frustrated. This show could really have been good. I love some of the characters. Oh well.
January 19th, 2010 10:57 PM
A few weeks ago i finally saw my first episode of hero. i fell in love and bought all three seasons and hulu season four to catch up. i am very disappointed at the progression of this show. Ok this is what i was hoping would happen in this week's episode but didn't happen : as a hero claire should try to stop a psycho like sylar given the chance (after all what she wants to do is to save the world) by showing some sympathy towards him and try to change him not behave the way she did. I love the old hiro and like that they kept him.. Hiro is the only one gungho about saving the world and the only comic relief. However i hope the season ends like this : I want them to bring back Angela's sister the one that control the weather to have a show down with Samuel as he controls the earth ... and then have it turn out to be a little world where Matt has trap them but reality it didn't happen...
January 19th, 2010 9:43 PM
I was soooo frustrated with last night's episode. I am annoyed with the Claire/Gretchen storyline because honestly it is pointless and doesn't add much to the show. Is Claire seriously wanting to take things to the next level?? I don't even think they have that much chemistry. Gretchen irritates me.
And if they wanted to waste that much time on Syler/Claire they should have had something meaningful happen between them. For real. What's the point of bringing it up and then having Claire run to Gretchen? Soo frustrating.
And the whole Hiro situation felt pointless. I love Heroes. Really, I do, but I just want some action...good action. Or at least a good storyline.
January 19th, 2010 8:52 PM
just to add to/alter my last comment, it probably makes more sense for peter to stop emma killing everyone, and sylar to stop samuel, the chemistry between characters is better that way...
January 19th, 2010 8:48 PM
this is my first ever comment about heroes so apologies if at any point im stating the obvious...after season 1 heroes was always going to struggle, and i agree that the storylines have been incredibly poor since then, this season being no exception. but if i can find some positive areas i will. we at least now know that samuel is basically mad, and incredibly powerful - am i right in saying that he draws his power from other heroes - which is why claire couldnt heal properly after being at the carnival, why samuel's power has grown and why sylar was weak?
this means that for the last few episodes we at least have a main bad guy, which leads up to a good finale.
predictions: sylar needs to get rid of his powers to become a normal guy? sylar's original power allows him to take other heroes power without killing them - when he empathises with them, surely this is perfect for peter, he would be able to become powerful again as he is an empath and could have anyones power if he stays
January 19th, 2010 6:05 PM
At the end of the episode he took out a town. Enough said
January 19th, 2010 5:20 PM
Have to agree with M.L. House completely
Although Heroes aired one of the best 1st seasons ever, it has been going steadily downhill from there. I see hints about a plot from time to time, but then the storyline seems to change, and leave me with no sense of direction. Kring has taken a lot of potential, and turned it into a giant mess..
I'm not into cliches, but to captivate your audience, you need to set up a plot, reveal bits and pieces throughout the season for the plot to thicken, and then have a big finish, and Heroes, I'm sad to say, have had none of that since the 1st season. Having a bunch of interesting characters that worked so well for the 1st season because they all seemed connected, is destroying it at the moment, characters just come and go on a whim of the writers.
Kudos M.L. House
Rank: Recurring Character
January 19th, 2010 1:33 PM
Wow I like what going on in here; I want to add that even though I am a HUGE Heroes Fan, I am afraid to admit that for a few minutes I felt bad for the show last night and I hated that feeling, Samuel and Vanessa scene was a waste of time, so was Sylar and Claire, I used to be fun of Claire but now I hate her she so annoying and she is killing the show. “The person I was watching the show with last Night told me that a Mateo Rock should fall on Claire may be that would stop her from regenerating, no lies that was said” I don’t mind Hiro time so much I just hope that they move forward from now on with his story.
Over all there Last Night episode was OK but it dragged for a while, I think the only good thing that this show is good at is on cliffhanging, at the end of every episode things get good and make want to watch the next episode just to find out another disappointment... UGH I am frustrated with this show. But let see what happens….
Rank: Staff Member
January 19th, 2010 12:03 PM
Thank you to everyone for commenting. I appreciate both positive and negative feedback.
It's true that I've stopped even trying to censor my negativity because I want to be an honest reviewer. The show has also positively plummeted over the last few weeks... nothing at all happens on it. There are just three episodes remaining in the season and I'd love for any viewer to defend where Heroes is going and try to explain how it's building momentum toward the finale, as any show should do. It legitimately feels like the writers aren't even trying.
January 19th, 2010 12:03 PM
The storyline with Hiro is absolutely killing me. There is never any payoff on the drama created in earlier episodes. At the beginning of the season, we were told that Hiro was going to die. For this show to retain any credibility, they had to deliver on that statement. I do like Hiro as a character, but it reminds me of Lost. In season three of Lost, the show promised that fan favorite Charlie would die. Then, they followed through with the greatest death scene a character had on the show. Yes Hiro is a fan favorite character, but if there is never any real danger, what is the point of telling the story at all. I believe, for this show to regain credibility and actual drama, they should have carried this story line to a logical conclusion: Hiro heroically sacrifices himself by using his power one last time to stop Samuel or Sylar or who ever the hell will end up being the villain
January 19th, 2010 11:42 AM
I love everyone who says the show will come around. Let's enjoy this crap and hope things will get better. Let me know when better comes around so i can skip the stupid episodes. M.L.House your spot on with your review, how low can we go?
January 19th, 2010 11:37 AM
Much respect to the site leaders for being honest and brave enough to comment the way they have on the show. It is not easy nowadays to take that route and the fact that they are even responding to some of the visiting commentors lashings at them shows a lot class. Reviews are generally subjective, so don't get your fanboy panties in a twist.
Heroes has been lacking since Season 2. Whether or not the timing of the writers strike is to blame is moot now as we are in Season 4 and the story has not progressed much further than where we left it in Season 2. There is a gross misuse of characters as cheap plot devices and a tend to make the coolest characters (Samuel being the latest) be driven by the most teenage of desires. I will refrain from further examples as we have tired them out in previous posts.
My last thought to the visitors would be to temper your hopes with a little bit of realism and take notice of this show's degrading ability to provide intelligent quality enterta
January 19th, 2010 11:25 AM
This episode basically tanked the storyline. Yes we shouldn't be so quick to assume that this episode concludes the storyline of every hero or so called villain in the show, however since Volume 3, every episode has become too direct or predictable that it is safe to assume that this is where the storyline will conclude and the final episodes will be about the characters coming into realization.
Even though the episode was a disappointment, there are a few good things to look forward to because of it.
Hiro - this episode finally brought out a dramatic side in Hiro's story. Fans already know that around this time of the season, Hiro's antics has to be explained. What better way to receive a message than have one of those moments where you could have walked into the light but in the last minute you come back to earth?
What goes wrong here is Hiro was supposed to die. I don't like that idea but that was the judgement... so why would the mother come out of nowhere to give
January 19th, 2010 10:38 AM
Its hard to read your reviews anymore since you are so biased in your own opinions. Yes the show has slipped since the new year and I'm disappointed as well. But I think it will come around. I enjoyed the first half of this season and it hasn't been as terrible as you make it sound. Its definitely not as big as it was the first season, which is why the ratings dropped, but its not a sunken ship yet!
Rank: Staff Member
January 19th, 2010 10:33 AM
Hiro's mother said, prior to kissing him, that she was "curing" him. Could she have meant something more metaphorical? I suppose. But it's not exactly a huge leap to assume she meant the cancer when he then woke up and was all smiles talking to Ando.
January 19th, 2010 10:29 AM
How do you know Hiro is 'cured', all we saw was that he survived surgery. For all we know the 'healing kiss' was just a metephor for the fact that his mother mother cured his feelings of failure and betraying his 'code'. We have no way of knowing what his condition is until they inform us as to what happened. Yes he survived surgery but we don't know how or why.
Of course such a negative site would jump to conclusions that are currently baseless and not wait to find out what really occured. Maybe the tumor was worked on and his condition improved (enough for him to survive the surgery) and his subconscience dealt with it by imagining his mother had healed him and egged him on to fight back. We don't know if he is completely cured so please stop acting as though you do (unless you know something more than us mere plebs).
There was plenty I disliked about this epsiode but I don't assume anything, we don't know why certain things happened and we certainly don't know the outcome yet.
I
January 19th, 2010 9:46 AM
Jesus, you are such a negative nancy. I still enjoy it!!! And as usual i'm sure the season fanale will blow us away. Had you ever thought that maybe it's all part of a bigger picture. That is my hope, and if it's not then, so be it.
January 19th, 2010 7:42 AM
I totally agree. Wasn't it for Hiro that Peter had to get the healing power? It's as if they forgot how important Hiro's abilities are to save the world.
And the Samuel+Vanessa parts were really boring. I can't believe I've waited for this episode to come out so then I can skip parts.
And one more thing: why are the main female characters blond? It is a little bit irritating that all the new heroines look alike. I mean Lauren and Vanessa could even play sisters.