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Love the show and loved this episode. Alot happened this week and you can't deny it although many of you tried. It set us up for next weeks show of telling his wife and maybe Hank. We've been waiting all season for Hank to see one of "them", well, it happened. Why be so critical? It's a good show and if you didn't like this particular week ok, but no need to trash it.
@Nick - way to defend your review, dude. :-)
I still disagree that it wasn't a game changer, but we can agree to disagree here. But let's run with your point, that it's a potential game changer. Given what we know about Nick's character, I think it's safe to assume that the issues with Hank are not going to end easily. Is he really going to let Hank believe that he's going bonkers? Also - the actor may portray a really boring Hank (totally agree, he brings nothing special to the screen), but the character Hank isn't an idiot. He's a pretty competent detective when he's not under spells or being lied to etc.
In any case, I think there are enough questions going forward from this episode to take us to the finale. Not only do we have to wonder what the hell Nick is going to do now that stuff is pretty irrefutable, we can also be sure that some of the greater story arcs will be addressed. I think a potential game changer is good for a penultimate episode :-)
I agree with Nick. This was a throwaway episode, really. Criminal Minds just did the same thing in providing a mostly boring episode that did not change anything at all. Is this industry practice - making the penultimate episode a kind of comma before the big bang of the finale?
Fine, Nick saw a Wesen change, and Juliette now has some sketchy DNA that she can't explain. My question is: so what? If the writers were trying to be subtle, they succeeded - to the point of being boring.
(cont'd) ... Also, I thought the idea of Wesen trying to control their urges and find ways to become permanently human will become much more relevant to the overall arc of the mythology in time. It adds a deeper level and I'm intrigued to see where it goes. It also developed Monroe's character considerably in my opinion.
Nick, I get where you're coming from because there was a ton of mythology building up a couple episodes back and this episode plus the last one have been a come down from that. However, I still enjoyed these episodes as standalones. The last episode did nothing for the character development or mythology or impending showdown between Nick and whoever. The same can't be said about this episode. This episode did a lot in that regard. I agree with the other commenters about how Nick's world is closing down around him. It will be interesting to see where they go with Hank's character. I don't know that it's as simple as revealing the truth to him. I think Hank's moving along the trajectory of becoming an antagonist with a vendetta against Wesen without the benefit of knowing good from bad. Also, I thought the idea of Wesen trying to control their urges and find ways to become permanently human will become much more relevant to the overall arc of the mythology in time. It adds a de
Could it be an out of order ep?
Fox has a habit of skipping episodes of rookie shows expecting a shortened season based upon early ratings and then running the skipped eps later but making things kinda out of sync for the viewers and story arcs. Maybe this one was shot at another time and put in last night?
Oops, got cut off. I was just saying that Juliette's veterinarian training, Rosalee's apothecary skills, Monroe's insider information and contacts, and Nick being a Grimm would make a strong force to be reckoned with.
Overall I liked this episode, but it could have been shown almost anywhere within this season after the first two or three episodes. It looks like the finale will bring up a bunch of unanswered questions plus a few new ones, and leave us hanging until next season.
I'd say the one big thing we have not seen before is Hank seeing "Bigfoot" change into human form right in front of him. He's been clueless about Wesens before, even with Adelaide, mostly because Nick and Monroe are careful to keep him in the dark. This time he was knocked over by Monroe and then saw the transformation of the other guy with his own eyes. He was struggling with what to believe pretty much the whole episode.
The rest of the episode, like the reviewer said, continued old conflicts. Nick is more and more willing to break police procedure to fulfill his work as a Grimm and to protect Monroe. Juliette is still curious about Nick's "hidden" life and he is having more difficulty keeping his two lives separate. Juliette's sleuth work--and her sharing her findings with Nick--make it more likely that either she'll turn out to be a Grimm (or Wesen?) or she'll do whatever she can to aid Nick. If there is a revolution next season, her veterinarian skills, Rosalee's apothecary ski
Please elaborate on how everything fit together, I'd like to hear your take on things. Because I'm not seeing this as one of the best episodes Grimm has ever done. If anything, it's just a mess. The mythology is still shaky, Hank is experiencing yet another Wesen thing and is none the wiser, and the crime of the week was just that. It rehashed themes and concepts the show has dealt with before.
Blurgh, character limits.
This isn't a game changing episode. Nothing changed in this episode. Did it set up for a potential game changer with Juliette? Yes, but the extent of what could change, and if it ever will is unknown at this point. You say that Nick's dual life and him trying to keep both separate is a running theme, and it is. Here's the thing, he successfully kept things divided in this episode, again. Hank doesn't know what he saw, Nick didn't bother correcting him. Juliette is on the DNA trail, and that could lead to something, but, again, the outcome is unknown. It is everything we've seen before, and I would much prefer the penultimate episode to be ramping up all the hanging plot threads instead of retelling ones we've seen before.
Please elaborate on how everything fit together, I'd like to hear your take on things. Because I'm not seeing this as one of the best episodes Grimm has ever done. If anything, it's just a mess. The myt
Things have been in flux for nearly half the season now. Nick's Grimm life gets dangerously close to people he cares about and then the wool is pulled over their eyes. Hank gets hit with all kinds of Wesen magic and he's none the wiser. He's lost his mind plenty of times, that doesn't make him a very fun character to be around nor does it necessarily mean things are different this time. Without Monroe encroaching on Nick's life, Nick would still be floundering. Monroe is both a moral compass and mentor to Nick in this world he knows nothing about. That didn't change in this episode, Nick's relationship with Monroe is still the same. There's a give and take between them, and it's still the best thing Grimm has.
This isn't a game changing episode. Nothing changed in this episode. Did it set up for a potential game changer with Juliette? Yes, but the extent of what could change, and if it ever will is unknown at this point. You say that Nick's dual life an
I totally disagree with the review, simply because the reviewer doesn't see how things ARE in flux on all three fronts of Nick's life: Juliette, Hank and Monroe. With Hank, seemingly losing his mind; its a dilemma for Nick (betrayal if he deos, betrayal if he don't). With Juliette its similar, although she is a smarter character than Hank. With Monroe its a whole other thing. Nick is now ready to Grimmify to the extent that he hides twice-killer-vessen by trusting Monroe. This sets us up nicely for whatever he faces in the finale. Good episode, emotional development, good metaphor for Mick's predicament, good info on Vessen, and fast paced.
I'm sorry, but I gotta disagree with this review. I didn't think it lost steam at all. If anything, it was a game changer. Things just got WAY more interesting, because Nick's world is pretty much crashing down around him. We got to see him completely lose control of the situation, unable to redirect or reassure people of normalcy.
Juliette's on the trail with DNA evidence. Hank's actually seen a Wesen in true form, TWICE, and saw the Wesen change from creature to human before his eyes. And now Hank's noticed Monroe's presence. Nick's a cop, and he now has to deal with DNA and eyewitness accounts! I agree Hank is boring, but I'm hoping that this game changer will give him a bit more life.
While this episode didn't add to the overarching mythos of the show, it added serious weight to a huge question that HAS been running through the show - how long can Nick keep his worlds separate?
I don't agree with the reviewer, especially about Hank. He is NOT boring. He is a good cop who is beginning to clue on the weirdness around him. Roger Hornsby did a great job showing Hank's bemusement and terror at seeing the Wessen in their true forms. I think that eventually Hank will find out the truth and he will play a crucial role in TeamGrimm.
Anyway like Latrise and Bored Now, I thought this episode was really strong because Nick's world as a Grimm is colliding with his "normal" life. Hank has seen the Wessen and Juliette is beginning to figure out their existence.
I agree with parts of the review. I think it would have been nice to see some more progress with the season long story arcs, and where is rosalee. I thought I had heard she was going to be more of a regular.
But, overall it was a nice episode. It was also nice how you compare this epi with the first of the series where someone was attacked in the woods and see how far Nick the grimm has come.
I actually really enjoyed the episode. It was way better than the Cinderella episode especially with the theme telling Nick to reveal the truth to Hank and/or Juliette.
I'm with you Bored Now.
Look, they needed an episode to connect the finale episode, and that is to find a way for those in Nick life to learn the truth, and see if they can handle the truth. Remember Juliette, turn down Nick proposal because she felt like he was hiding something. That there was something he was not telling her, and now she will find out next week, and we can all finally get an answer to will they are want they be together next season. As well as Hank, I do not think Hank is all that bad that some make him out to be. Even Batman has a friend that keeps him grounded to reality, and takes him out of his own head for awhile. And that is who Hank is, and I bet that Hank would accept Nick for who he is. He want understand and it properly will keep him up all night. But I think that Nick needs Hank as much as Hank need Nick.
Well I must be only one here who thought this was the best episode this show has had yet. Everything fit together and the story was intense, new and different from the rest of "crime of the week" episodes.
Hank finally had some some depth and Juliette was awesome as always and it was nice to get some insight into Monroe's inner struggle.
OVerall one of the best episodes. I certainly better than sociopath-Cinderella one.
Was that episode supposed to be the finale???
My thoughts exactly. Good episode? Sure. Good almost-finale? Hell no! I was holding out hope that the season finale would be a two-parter episode, maybe with the revelation of Renard coming at the end of act 1.
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