Janet, I have been reading your and SAM's posts for several months, now. You two have been rude, disrespectful and downright mean to anyone who does not support your opinions. Your responses have been irrationally reactionary, especially when you even PERCEIVE criticism. A few weeks ago, one or two other posters attempted to gently and politely suggest that you dial back the vitriol, but the two of you (and a few others) fell on those people like a pack of wolves. That sort of behavior is unnecessary and cruel, and I don't understand why it dominates your posts. Considering your remarks before speaking (or writing) them is the mark of an adult, not an adolescent. Please, PLEASE, both of you, give us a break and let us enjoy this site the way it was intended.
janet
October 23rd, 2012 12:31 PM
@boonies good comment and yes me to hope tony wins the bet.as for Enough already your name says it all and the only one who should keep it civilized is you my dear.
Enough, already
October 23rd, 2012 12:14 PM
@SAM and Boonies: Not a moderator, just an adult. Try acting like one.
Carol
October 23rd, 2012 11:32 AM
@fanotony2 I wanted to put a favorable aspect on this discussion, however, it is not my place since it should be up to the moderator. Now for some of my opinions and I hope no one gets upset because I'm a new user. Now as for Tony: Michael Weatherly has said repeatedly that he plays his character for the fun of it. Tony has had a very hard background and should not be singled out for humiliation if that's what you think they are doing. My concern is for the head slaps. I hope these slaps are only a stunt, because they could eventually affect the receiver. I like Tony who enjoys pizza and movies. I will always be an NCIS follower even if they change the script. Tony should win the girl! Please give Tony a positive aspect!
SAM
October 23rd, 2012 8:36 AM
@enough already How is asking somebody to clarify and explain their POV an uncivilized act?
SAM
October 23rd, 2012 8:32 AM
@fanotony2 Okay, we'll play it your way: how do all of these "truths" that you are pointing out now, and that people like you have been pointing out for roughly the last few seasons, help get better writing for the character of Tony? Because for each year that you have been doing it, you have also continued to complain about how Tony is written. I'm sorry, I don't see how it's helping you. You can say that what you say is the "truth", but it isn't, it's just your opinion. And apparently TPTB of NCIS don't share the same opinion. And as they write the show, their opinion rules.
boonies
October 22nd, 2012 11:29 PM
@Enough,already...are you the board's moderator? If so, fine. If not, then it's really not your place to "scold" Janet or Sam or anybody else for that matter. It's a comment board. Fanotony2, Janet, Sam are long-time posters and are posting their comments and not trolling. If you don't like the comments...tough.
I'm really looking forward to this episode! I love Borin! I hope Tony DOES get a date with her and wins the bet...she'd be good for him.
Enough, already
October 22nd, 2012 10:37 PM
Like I said, Janet: keep it civilized.
janet
October 22nd, 2012 10:12 PM
@sam yes you are right sam as for calling him a troll its you who is the troll and to all you ziva haters she is here to stay ncis wouldnt be ncis without her.
Enough, already
October 22nd, 2012 7:28 PM
Sam, knock of the trolling shit, will you? Lets try to keep it civilized for a change.
fanotony2
October 22nd, 2012 7:08 PM
I have not bashed CdP. I do dislike the Ziva character on many levels though. I have expressed my disappointment at the agenda of the last few years to make Tony into the show's idiot, whilst basically replacing him as GIbbs talented SFA with super sainted Ziva. They almost never spread the humiliation to anyone but Tony, and rarely spread the action, virtue, heroism, drama, and brilliant skills around to anyone but Ziva or Gibbs. The flattering attributes and unflattering diminishments are always bestowed on the same characters now. That's not bashing - it's the truth. But you're right about one thing - it doesn't seem to matter one iota to tptb if Tony fans are disappointed or if they are ruining the character, as long as their ratings hold, I guess the formula won't be touched. Good for Gibbs and Ziva fans and not so good for Tony fans. Yes, we can (and very well may) stop watching and no one who enjoys the show's formula will shed a tear. Got it.
SAM
October 22nd, 2012 6:52 PM
And so bashing Ziva and the actress who plays her helps the character of Tony get portrayed in a better manner -- how?
fanotony2
October 22nd, 2012 6:36 PM
@ Carol - If no character should be singled out for degrading commentary, why is it okay for another character to be singled out for constant degrading humiliation? Not sure it's bashing if one is telling the truth. When was the last time Ziva or Gibbs were made to look anything but superior? Has Tony ever been shown to be right in a disagreement with either of them? Have you seen the teaser clip from this episode? Within a 60 second scene Tony is portrayed as not keeping up with his job (incompetent), is head slapped (humiliated), and makes a bet with Ziva that he is 100% sure to lose (being set up for more humiliation) - thus making it 100% sure that Ziva will win (as usual). Can there be any other outcome?
Carol
October 22nd, 2012 11:49 AM
All the characters on NCIS are important to make the NCIS family team. No one should be singled out for degrading commentary.
Michael
October 22nd, 2012 9:42 AM
I have been a fan of Michael Weathlery LONG before he was on NCIS and I know how good of a actor he can be too bad Ziva the star of the show (or think she is) because it has really made the Tony character a shell of his former self and if some people can't see that then THEY are a part of the issue as well.
R
October 22nd, 2012 9:15 AM
I flipped over to ABC Family the other night and they were plaing Hocus Pocus and I spotted something I've never put together before....Timmy McGee was in Hocus Pocus! Ha! He was Zachary Binks! :)
Sorry, accidentally deleted part of my text. So, continued:
Don't like NCIS anymore? Then, do us a favor and don't watch anymore if you only get irritated by the show's proceedings.
Oh and BTW: as a fervent Tim-fan I could complain till kingdom come about the way "McGoo" is treated on the show. However, I won't and I still love the show for all its characters: Gibbs, Tony, Tim, Ziva, Jimmy, Ducky, Abby, Vance...etc..etc...the dead marine and the decomposing corpse on the slab.
Just so you know.
Sooo... May there be plenty more seasons of NCIS!
While I agree Tony gets the brunt of the head slaps, I don't think it's appropriate to start bashing the other characters. That's becoming rather "old", too.
I'm with Sue Ann, Janet and Tiva, here.
The head slaps have become part of NCIS, too.
Besides, ever thought Michael Weatherly wouldn't play Tony this way with as much gusto if he didn't like it? I doubt it.
Don't you think it's a bit exagerated to think of Tony being portrayed as the idiot? Then you didn't watch NCIS really well, IMHO. 'Cause I've seen plenty of serious and competent Tony. He can act like a jock and a teenager but in serious situations, he knows very well how to act.
And "lack of respect"? It's okay for Tony to harass and haze the others, but it's not okay to you for the others to have some fun with Tony.
I think you guys want a TV show that casts only Michael Weatherly/Tony DiNozzo... Now that must be some fun show...
@Michael: don't like NCIS anymore? Then, do us a favor and don't watch anymore if y
fanotony2
October 22nd, 2012 7:48 AM
Even when Ziva and McGee are just as involved in whatever stupid thing that Gibbs head slaps for, they are always left alone to smirk. It's gotten so old and unvarying. They showrunners obviously could care less about Tony's character or his fans. Ninety percent of the scenes that show virtue, bravery, heroism, or sensitivity go to Ziva and Gibbs now. Tony's originally rich, multi dimensional character has been sacrificed for super Gibbs and super Ziva, and for a simpler, and extremely predictable writing formula.
Carol
October 21st, 2012 6:33 PM
Sometimes when Tony gets a head slap it is because one of the other characters started the problem such as McGee or Ziva. I understand it is a wake up call, but every episode, that is a little too much. Hopefully the slaps are not as bad as they look.
Michael
October 20th, 2012 8:39 PM
I just pray these is the finale season so Michael can go to a show that will respect him
fanotony2
October 20th, 2012 3:45 PM
I hear ya, fanotony. I'm not only sick of Tony being the butt of every joke and the headslaps for nothing, but also of everyone else being written as so darned virtuous and perfect, except of course for Palmer, who seems to be the other humor whipping boy. I'm sick of my favorite, Tony being one upped and demeaned every week, while Ziva and Gibbs are (ad nauseam) the pictures of righteousness and perfection. Just yuck. Whatever happened to the multi dimensional, human, fallible, and fun characters created by D. Bellasario? Why can't they spread the virtues as well as the humiliation around anymore?
fanoftony
October 20th, 2012 1:45 PM
Enough of the headslaps already. Tony is being portrayed as an idiot. He's my favorite character on the show, so it's hard to watch this every week. Gibbs overdoes it.
Rate It "R"
October 20th, 2012 1:28 PM
I want to see Gibbs and Borin in the feathers at the end of this episode. Its about time he had another girlfriend.
tiva (Tania) Rank: Recurring Character
October 20th, 2012 12:11 PM
Abby: I knew that guy was trouble. He's like an evil McGee.
October 23rd, 2012 4:06 PM
Janet, I have been reading your and SAM's posts for several months, now. You two have been rude, disrespectful and downright mean to anyone who does not support your opinions. Your responses have been irrationally reactionary, especially when you even PERCEIVE criticism. A few weeks ago, one or two other posters attempted to gently and politely suggest that you dial back the vitriol, but the two of you (and a few others) fell on those people like a pack of wolves. That sort of behavior is unnecessary and cruel, and I don't understand why it dominates your posts. Considering your remarks before speaking (or writing) them is the mark of an adult, not an adolescent. Please, PLEASE, both of you, give us a break and let us enjoy this site the way it was intended.
October 23rd, 2012 12:31 PM
@boonies good comment and yes me to hope tony wins the bet.as for Enough already your name says it all and the only one who should keep it civilized is you my dear.
October 23rd, 2012 12:14 PM
@SAM and Boonies: Not a moderator, just an adult. Try acting like one.
October 23rd, 2012 11:32 AM
@fanotony2 I wanted to put a favorable aspect on this discussion, however, it is not my place since it should be up to the moderator. Now for some of my opinions and I hope no one gets upset because I'm a new user. Now as for Tony: Michael Weatherly has said repeatedly that he plays his character for the fun of it. Tony has had a very hard background and should not be singled out for humiliation if that's what you think they are doing. My concern is for the head slaps. I hope these slaps are only a stunt, because they could eventually affect the receiver. I like Tony who enjoys pizza and movies. I will always be an NCIS follower even if they change the script. Tony should win the girl! Please give Tony a positive aspect!
October 23rd, 2012 8:36 AM
@enough already How is asking somebody to clarify and explain their POV an uncivilized act?
October 23rd, 2012 8:32 AM
@fanotony2 Okay, we'll play it your way: how do all of these "truths" that you are pointing out now, and that people like you have been pointing out for roughly the last few seasons, help get better writing for the character of Tony? Because for each year that you have been doing it, you have also continued to complain about how Tony is written. I'm sorry, I don't see how it's helping you. You can say that what you say is the "truth", but it isn't, it's just your opinion. And apparently TPTB of NCIS don't share the same opinion. And as they write the show, their opinion rules.
October 22nd, 2012 11:29 PM
@Enough,already...are you the board's moderator? If so, fine. If not, then it's really not your place to "scold" Janet or Sam or anybody else for that matter. It's a comment board. Fanotony2, Janet, Sam are long-time posters and are posting their comments and not trolling. If you don't like the comments...tough.
I'm really looking forward to this episode! I love Borin! I hope Tony DOES get a date with her and wins the bet...she'd be good for him.
October 22nd, 2012 10:37 PM
Like I said, Janet: keep it civilized.
October 22nd, 2012 10:12 PM
@sam yes you are right sam as for calling him a troll its you who is the troll and to all you ziva haters she is here to stay ncis wouldnt be ncis without her.
October 22nd, 2012 7:28 PM
Sam, knock of the trolling shit, will you? Lets try to keep it civilized for a change.
October 22nd, 2012 7:08 PM
I have not bashed CdP. I do dislike the Ziva character on many levels though. I have expressed my disappointment at the agenda of the last few years to make Tony into the show's idiot, whilst basically replacing him as GIbbs talented SFA with super sainted Ziva. They almost never spread the humiliation to anyone but Tony, and rarely spread the action, virtue, heroism, drama, and brilliant skills around to anyone but Ziva or Gibbs. The flattering attributes and unflattering diminishments are always bestowed on the same characters now. That's not bashing - it's the truth. But you're right about one thing - it doesn't seem to matter one iota to tptb if Tony fans are disappointed or if they are ruining the character, as long as their ratings hold, I guess the formula won't be touched. Good for Gibbs and Ziva fans and not so good for Tony fans. Yes, we can (and very well may) stop watching and no one who enjoys the show's formula will shed a tear. Got it.
October 22nd, 2012 6:52 PM
And so bashing Ziva and the actress who plays her helps the character of Tony get portrayed in a better manner -- how?
October 22nd, 2012 6:36 PM
@ Carol - If no character should be singled out for degrading commentary, why is it okay for another character to be singled out for constant degrading humiliation? Not sure it's bashing if one is telling the truth. When was the last time Ziva or Gibbs were made to look anything but superior? Has Tony ever been shown to be right in a disagreement with either of them? Have you seen the teaser clip from this episode? Within a 60 second scene Tony is portrayed as not keeping up with his job (incompetent), is head slapped (humiliated), and makes a bet with Ziva that he is 100% sure to lose (being set up for more humiliation) - thus making it 100% sure that Ziva will win (as usual). Can there be any other outcome?
October 22nd, 2012 11:49 AM
All the characters on NCIS are important to make the NCIS family team. No one should be singled out for degrading commentary.
October 22nd, 2012 9:42 AM
I have been a fan of Michael Weathlery LONG before he was on NCIS and I know how good of a actor he can be too bad Ziva the star of the show (or think she is) because it has really made the Tony character a shell of his former self and if some people can't see that then THEY are a part of the issue as well.
October 22nd, 2012 9:15 AM
I flipped over to ABC Family the other night and they were plaing Hocus Pocus and I spotted something I've never put together before....Timmy McGee was in Hocus Pocus! Ha! He was Zachary Binks! :)
Rank: New User
October 22nd, 2012 8:56 AM
Sorry, accidentally deleted part of my text. So, continued:
Don't like NCIS anymore? Then, do us a favor and don't watch anymore if you only get irritated by the show's proceedings.
Oh and BTW: as a fervent Tim-fan I could complain till kingdom come about the way "McGoo" is treated on the show. However, I won't and I still love the show for all its characters: Gibbs, Tony, Tim, Ziva, Jimmy, Ducky, Abby, Vance...etc..etc...the dead marine and the decomposing corpse on the slab.
Just so you know.
Sooo... May there be plenty more seasons of NCIS!
Rank: New User
October 22nd, 2012 8:49 AM
While I agree Tony gets the brunt of the head slaps, I don't think it's appropriate to start bashing the other characters. That's becoming rather "old", too.
I'm with Sue Ann, Janet and Tiva, here.
The head slaps have become part of NCIS, too.
Besides, ever thought Michael Weatherly wouldn't play Tony this way with as much gusto if he didn't like it? I doubt it.
Don't you think it's a bit exagerated to think of Tony being portrayed as the idiot? Then you didn't watch NCIS really well, IMHO. 'Cause I've seen plenty of serious and competent Tony. He can act like a jock and a teenager but in serious situations, he knows very well how to act.
And "lack of respect"? It's okay for Tony to harass and haze the others, but it's not okay to you for the others to have some fun with Tony.
I think you guys want a TV show that casts only Michael Weatherly/Tony DiNozzo... Now that must be some fun show...
@Michael: don't like NCIS anymore? Then, do us a favor and don't watch anymore if y
October 22nd, 2012 7:48 AM
Even when Ziva and McGee are just as involved in whatever stupid thing that Gibbs head slaps for, they are always left alone to smirk. It's gotten so old and unvarying. They showrunners obviously could care less about Tony's character or his fans. Ninety percent of the scenes that show virtue, bravery, heroism, or sensitivity go to Ziva and Gibbs now. Tony's originally rich, multi dimensional character has been sacrificed for super Gibbs and super Ziva, and for a simpler, and extremely predictable writing formula.
October 21st, 2012 6:33 PM
Sometimes when Tony gets a head slap it is because one of the other characters started the problem such as McGee or Ziva. I understand it is a wake up call, but every episode, that is a little too much. Hopefully the slaps are not as bad as they look.
October 20th, 2012 8:39 PM
I just pray these is the finale season so Michael can go to a show that will respect him
October 20th, 2012 3:45 PM
I hear ya, fanotony. I'm not only sick of Tony being the butt of every joke and the headslaps for nothing, but also of everyone else being written as so darned virtuous and perfect, except of course for Palmer, who seems to be the other humor whipping boy. I'm sick of my favorite, Tony being one upped and demeaned every week, while Ziva and Gibbs are (ad nauseam) the pictures of righteousness and perfection. Just yuck. Whatever happened to the multi dimensional, human, fallible, and fun characters created by D. Bellasario? Why can't they spread the virtues as well as the humiliation around anymore?
October 20th, 2012 1:45 PM
Enough of the headslaps already. Tony is being portrayed as an idiot. He's my favorite character on the show, so it's hard to watch this every week. Gibbs overdoes it.
October 20th, 2012 1:28 PM
I want to see Gibbs and Borin in the feathers at the end of this episode. Its about time he had another girlfriend.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 20th, 2012 12:11 PM
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