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The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "Growing Pains"

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Elena is a vampire. Bonnie has lost her Grams again. Matt is feeling rather guilty and a major explosion has rocked Mystic Falls.

Did The Vampire Diaries Season 4 premiere live up to your expectations? Did Elena make the right choice? And what the heck is the deal with the now-dead Pastor?

Join staff writers Matt Richenthal, Steve Marsi, Eric Hochberger and Dan Forcella and sound off on these topics and more in this edition of The Vampire Diaries Round Table...

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What was your favorite scene of the premiere?
Matt: Rebekah coming around and helping Stefan save Elena's life. She just couldn't resist the love story playing out before her eyes. It was like her personal, real-life version of The Notebook.

Steve: The scene where they explained how the heck Elena, Stefan and Rebecca got out of their cells. At least this was the one I was most looking forward to seeing before one of Ian Somerhalder's rescue dogs ate that page of the script.

Eric: Kyler drawing out his nails and threatening to rip out his own heart. Now that was bad ass. Less bad ass? Witchy Bonnie bringing back Klaus. Poor grandma. Where does a dead ghost go?

Dan: I have to go with Kyler going all Temple of Doom on himself to force Bonnie's hand. When those claws came out and he started going at his own chest, I had no idea how to react. That was some seriously gripping stuff.

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Who makes a better Klaus: Joseph Morgan or Michael Trevino?
Matt: Don't get me wrong, I loved Trevino's work - You incessant woman! Hey Mom! What's up? | permalink - but Joseph Morgan simply is Klaus. You can't replace an original Original, although I wouldn't have minded if this storyline took longer to play out. The supposed killing of Klaus and the body switch was a MAJOR deal on the Vampire Diaries Season 3 finale, and it was all tied up quickly here.

Steve: My colleague Dan Forcella, and his egregious displays of Joseph Morgan man-love, may be able to speak in more eloquent detail on this, but let's just say I missed the Rippah-smirking blood sucker.

Eric: You mean Michael Trevino saying love without an accent? I almost forgot he was supposed to be Klaus when he first showed up. Maybe he was just that good as Klaus playing Tyler.

Dan: Why, thank you for giving me the floor on this one Steve. Is this even a serious question? Joseph Morgan IS Klaus. Klaus IS Joseph Morgan. When he came back at the very end it was like I had died with ghost Grams and went straight to heaven. It was so nice to have him and his smirk back in our lives.

Scarier moment: Bonnie's nose bleeding; Rebekah getting staked; or Elena laugh-crying?
Matt: I had nightmares over Elena's mixture of emotions last night. That cackle. Those tears. Those cackle-based tears! It was absurd and creepy and sort of ridiculous, which is very likely what it must feel like to actually transform into a vampire.

Steve: Going with Bon-Bon on this one. The overuse of Ms. Bennett as a supernatural plot device has been well-documented, but she cast a spell in which she KILLED HERSELF on the spot. That's badass. Similarly, Grams' death was hauntingly messed up too. As Matt said in his review ... where does a dead dead witch go?!

Eric: Pretty sure Nina Dobrev has quite the career in horror ahead of her. Or the complete opposite of one in comedy. Because, damn, that laugh can be scary.

Dan: Yeah, I have to go with the laugh-cry if only because I had no idea what was going on.

Why did the Pastor blow himself and the Council up?
Matt: It had to be a signal of some sort. Pastors are all about higher callings and serving causes beyond themselves, right? I say Young was somehow taking one for the team of humanity and sacrificing himself to alert the world to the presence of vampires in town.

Steve: Was he somehow compelled to do that? Or was it a sacrificial plea for reinforcements from vampire hunters nationwide? Either way, I'm intrigued by this new twist in the show's overall narrative.

Eric: Duh! Because Jim Jones over there clearly gave them all a cup of vampire kool-aid before. Why else was he raiding the hospital's vampire blood bank?

Dan: He probably thought that if his plan didn't work on the first try, not only did he not deserve to live, but the rest of the innocents around him should cease to exist as well.  It's really good logic if you think about it.

Will Elena really stick with Stefan?
Matt: Will Lindsay Lohan ever get her life together? Sorry, Stelena lovers, the odds are about the same for each.

Steve: For the foreseeable future? Yes. Forever? That's an awfully long time, especially for a vampire. Damon's clearly not over her choice and sometime within the next century (or 2-3 seasons), you can bank on the love triangle's full-on resurgence.

Eric: Doubtful. You combine Elena's restored memories, Damon's hotness and the show's love of love triangles and I'm pretty sure we're seeing some more Delena this season. 

Dan: I see her staying with Stefan both in the short term and also by the time it is all said and done. Should she be with Stefan? No, didn't you hear that speech from Damon? Man, that was awesome. Quit fooling around and ship these two for us!

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I can see how Damon is attractive to a lot of girls. He puts Elena on a pedestal. No one can harm Elena, Elena must come first, he doesn't deserve Elena, nobody matters but Elena, etc. These are all Damon's thoughts and intents. And it's fine if the girl does want to be revered and coddled and kept in a metaphorical cage. I personally think that Stefan's choice to honor Elena's wishes is the defining point in their relationship. Elena's a grown up who can decide to live her life or die by her own rules. The fact that Damon responds with "your choice, Elena. It always is" just ticks me off in the most disturbing way. It reminds me of abusive relationship guilt trips. Guilt tripping is one of the worst abusive trait that most people ignore and Damon guilt trips Elena so many times. Then he turns around and gives her the smoldering "you're everything to me" and completes the vicious cycle.

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Honestly, aside from the fact that Stefan COULD have saved them both at the same time, Damon was right about saving Elena. It's that quality of doing anything to save the one you love that is appealing to many women including me.

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Delena are fantastic they have so much chemistry !!! i really hope they put them together !!!! i loved Klaus in Tylers body trying to tell caroline he wasnt her boyfriend !!! The delena scenes were disappointing purely because something so important to Delena seemed swept under the carpet like when she confronted Damon over her memories of him !! The Stelena scenes were a little annoying !

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The premiere was shocking and amazing at the same time. Yes I want us Stelena fans to stay up and I can't wait for the next episode of season 4. =) =D

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Awesome articles, amazing words about Joseph Morgan!

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STELENA FTW!!!

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I don't know why Delena even exits in the first place. I haaaaaaaaaate these shows that keep putting original couples in jeopardy. Honestly I don't even get how people think Damon is hot, he looks like my aging uncle who refuses to believe he's forty! I'm not saying that Stefan has something much more to offer but I still think him and Elena look great together, I always liked the stability and purity of their relationship. I think the only couple on TV that had no intrusions is Naley from OTH which in my view made the show such a great success (although a lot of people were disappointed in Brucas not being endgame). But anyway, I still hope that Stelena is endgame, otherwise the show will be very disappointing for me. Stefan in my opinion is a very complex and developed character which makes him a lot stronger than Damon who is merely a bad boy with a conscience only when it comes to Elena, whose charm I always fail to understand.

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i swear why the hell do the salvatores think elena is so fantastic, her life isn't more important than matt's and i don't know why everyone is blaming matt and that matt's guilty cause he's not

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Having not seen the previews - My answer to this "Why did the Pastor blow himself and the Council up?" is that I think they'll all come back as vampires. All that vampire blood had to of gone somewhere. Then they'll come back "alive" and decide to feed or not. Then they'll be strong enough to get rid of the vampire population and drink another cup of vampire koolaid. lol