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firstly i wish people would use there real names what are you all afraid from we all know who you really are.also enough of the disgusting word fa nwanking its old and only the trolls use it,as for the comment before this one seems that you are a bully belive me its you who needs your ass kicking
we dont need you on this site so go away little girl.
\\a few of the trolls use it,as for whats her name
Janet: If this were junior high, you'd be getting your ass kicked by half the school. Everyone here seems to be able to discuss and debate issues while maintaining their dignity and having respect for others... except you. Your personal attacks towards other posters are inconsiderate and inappropriate. Mind your manners or go somewhere else. I'm sick of your childish vitriol.
Love NCIS! Love all the characters!
Leave it to good ole' janet to comment on the poster rather than the show. Her posts are as predictable as the sunrise. As for Alissa's post - agree with you. The constant fanwanking of Ziva who is a rather personalityless, poorly written character, and the demeaning of Tony, who is one of the show's unique characters, in order to woo a relatively small but very vocal part of NCIS fandom may very well be the final straw for this show. But tptb seem determined to turn the show into ZCIS - lucky Ziva/tiva fans. Too bad for everyone else.
@alisa if thats your real name and i really doubt it.anyway why all the hate for ziva.in the end there will be tiva and most fans will give a chear so take your hate with you when you close the door bye.
I always thought Tonys mother died from either an illness or something to do with her drinking. That's one of the few facts e knew about her that she drank a lot and one time drank Tonys sea monkeys.
Just want to respond to WTF ?? I was in no way describing a woman in law enforcement's lack of being able to take care of herself when I explained most of us look for father figures or stronger guys than ourselves . The fact is ... We see so many people/ guys at their weakest., corrupted and most despicable moments of their lives. When we meet a guy that we respect and admire, a guy that can handle himself as good or better then we can . We kinda want a guy that we can look up to ... Certainly , after all the training, studying the law and ethics we've been introduced to I want to be able to trust , relax and put my head on his shoulder when I'm home . The point was Ziva has lived a different kind of life , different kind of training . She's a Mossad assasin, a killer by trade and upbringing. Her father is a powerful man. She's was always around other killers.act an see her see relate more with Gibbs , then Tony. I would be more inclined to have a crush on Gibbs , then Tony. I
@Alisa.....And Vindictive Haters of the show the REST of us enjoy who have nothing better to do than come on here and post WARPED POV's wrapped in twisted LIES, trying to angelify characters who are clearly INSTIGATORS of just about every argument that ensues on the show (Tony), yet UNSUCCESSFULLY vilifying other characters who did not ASK to even be PUT in difficult situations, yet overcame them TRIUMPHANTLY (Ziva) - AND got her MAN - and stating scenarios from the series that never even HAPPEND - deserve to be INGORED...which is EXACTLY what will now happen to YOU. Go study up on the ACTUAL Canon of the show before you spew hatred out of your virtual mouth.
Goodbye. * C L I C K *
My apologies for bringing in the whole Shannon/Kelly debate. It was a sidebar to a comment about how did Tony's mother die. Someone had suggested suicide, and then I pointed out what Tony said regarding his mother's death in the Season Nine opener, then made the mistake of saying that TPTB could totally change this, 'like they did with the number of wives Gibbs had." That's where all of this came from. I didn't mean for it veer off from the main topic, which is this episode.
tony deserves someone who doesn't throw her injured partner onto the ground, pull a loaded gun ON her injured partner, and said she'd be HAPPY to put a bullet in him....ALL because he was trying to PROTECT his partner...as well as HIS TEAM....she with HELD vital information on rifkin from BOTH of her BOSSES....information that could have gotten GIBBS & TIM KILLED.....the moment about tony's mother was RUINED by it being between TIVA...rather then between TIBBS= tony & gibbs.....ziva can't be trusted....and really SHOULD not even be on the team....LET'S NOT FORGET: ZIVA MADE GIBBS CHOOSE BETWEEN SHE AND TONY....imo, he made the RIGHT choice....tony could be TRUSTED....and has been his SFA for YEARS for a REASON.
I also meant to say that I have watched all the cast roundtabled. The cast was asked if, after having played these characters for several years if they were still learning things about their characters and MH responded that he had just learned Gibbs had been married more than he originally thought. If memory serves, it was the roundtable that was filmed in Gibbs' living room.
I loved this ep in all but one area. This isn't the first time this season Gibbs has given us more emotion (such as in Namesake) and I'm really liking that. Though I was concerned what was going on with his interactions with Tony and what that might be foreshadowing, but it thankfully seems to have been all worked out. I liked the emphasis on the case. Sometimes I feel the cases have become too sacrificed in favor of character spotlight. That being said, I was looking forward to the moment about Tony's mom but it was nearly ruined for me because of the unrealistic tiva element. I'd much preferred that moment been unveiled in Gibbs' basement after hours. I would like to comment on some discussion in previous posts regarding Ziva not being invited out by the boys in a previous ep. IMO after Ziva smugly & purposefully left Tony and only Tony out of the team meal in Boxed In, I can't imagine why on earth he would ever invite or include her on any of his after hours activities.
There were several features on the season 3 discs; however, the only round table (disc 4) didn't involve the cast. The creative forces did say that secrets were coming out at the end of season 3, starting with Gibbs and that season 4 would be the season of revealing secrets. I really don't care for DVD features, so didn't go to season 4, but that may be where the roundtable @gatorgal refers to is. I'm sure by everything else that gatorgal is right, though.
part 4: Sorry @gatorgal, I didn't go back to read your comment before commenting to realize you were referring to a special feature on a DVD I'm sure I own, just I never bother watching the features. If I can find the roundtable on season 3 discs, I'll post a supporting comment ...
part 3 - Here's what I hope constitutes fair use quote from wiki: [Gibbs] first marriage was kept a secret from nearly every one of Gibbs' current acquaintances until the episode "Hiatus (Part I)". The first hint of Gibbs' first family comes in the episode "Kill Ari (Part I)". During "Honor Code", Gibbs looks after the six-year-old son, named Zach, of a kidnapped Navy officer ... concludes with a brief montage of flashbacks ... with the boy wearing an old NIS sweatshirt, and finally a clip of a younger Gibbs wearing his Marine uniform, holding a young girl, sanding the hull of a boat in Gibbs' basement. By the start of season 3, Gibbs asks Ziva if she ... knows of his "first wife and daughter". She answers "Yes." See article, there's more.
I don't know anything about the Harmon interview or if his exact words could be taken in more than one way, and, even though I own the DVD sets and have watched all the episodes more than once, although I usually more often skip some to go on to favorites, I don't offhand remember all of the episodes cited in the wikipedia article on "Leroy Jethro Gibbs" (do a google search for leroy jethro gibbs wikipedia) in the section "Marriages and Liaisons" which states his first marriage was kept a secret until "Hiatus, Part 1." The article refers to many other episodes by name which slowly reveal the back story.
The debate is getting off target, as I'm understanding the debate about Gibbs' first wife and daughter who were killed by the drug lord Gibbs then killed. One point of view is that when Mark Harmon took the role and explored his character with the writers, producers, creators, etc., there was no first wife and daughter killed, that an interview was referred to from long ago, and that that interview was only that when the first wife and daughter came up in a script, Harmon hadn't expected that turn, without saying how early in the show's chronology they were introduced.
The earliest I remember Kelly and/or Shannon being mentioned is the third season- first "Kill Ari- Part 2", when Gibbs asks Ziva if she knows about his first wife and daughter, and "Undercovers" when at the end Gibbs pulls out his flask (I'm sorry, but I have a serious problem with men needing flasks of bourbon around them at all times) and it said Love, Shannon and Kelly. I never said what Season DVD the roundtable was from, because I don't remember. But I stand on what I said about MH comment about suddenly finding out he had another former wife and a child. It was probably the Season Three DVD because Lauren Holly was there, and that's when she started, but I can't say for sure.
Gatorgal: in both season 1 and 2 we see flashbacks with Kelly. And when Ziva joins Gibbs ask her if she knew about his first wife and daughter.
I liked this episode because of the topic of war vets and struggle they face returing to normal life. The story it self wasn't all that great. I hope Tony and Ziva just remain friends. It will just seem weired after so many years them getting together. Give Ziva a nice man that doesn't get killed by Tony or betrays her. She deserves that. I love this show and the main reason is Gibbs and Abby.
Susie: Are you serious? "Girls want either a Daddy figure or a guy stronger than she." Kudos for your proper use of grammar, but Saints preserve us! If you truly are "in law enforcement" then, as a woman, you surely have to have a stronger sense of your own self. Besides, "strength" is both relative and illusory, and, as a cop, you understand that better than most people.
Typo: TVA was supposed to be "Tiva" in my last post ...
@Susie - I'd say it that if they were all in junior high or younger, they'd maybe greet each other as butthead, that it's boredom and killing time and normal, but, if Ziva came up to Tony, like with the pictures, and, like people I've worked with, recognizes it's a serious moment, the banter and jocularity is gone for serious conversation. I thought the Ziva wanting to be invited to go out for a beer episode was her wanting to be recognized as one of the guys (not a TVA moment), that since she is a "brainwashed from birth killer"/outsider (and I'm not speaking from any reality I've ever known or read about, but, as I've come to believe from fiction, instead), she would be even more into being a part of the banter and all than those who've been doing it always.
This episode should be ninated for an Emmy !
It has excellent storyline, cast, writers and a message on the difficulty returning vets have when they get home.
I know all these characters in real life except for Ziva.
She's a trained , brainwashed from birth killer. And she is portrayed too light. Girls want either a daddy figure or a guy stronger than she ...Tony is neither. Especially , a Mossad female sgent would not have much of a sense of human.
The writers need to stop portraying McGee , Jimmy and Abby like children . They are all pros. Please do not allow Ducky to retire or die. We still miss : Kate, Mike Franks and Jennie . Thanks for a GREAT show !
My husband and I watch NCIS on USA whenever we can and certainly won't miss our Tuesday night NCIS date.
At first Tony's character annoyed me , I was thinking this is a federal agent !! Federal agents don't act like this !!
But , I've been in law enforcement for a long time and realize that the banter and teasing ( not insults !!) is exactly what we do !!!! It's just like you know you're a close team when the guys start to rib , tease and sometimes prank one another. Tony reminds me of one of our guys , the catalyst for jokes , but he IS the best. This episode was nothing short of superior television . McGee's character for a field agent is portrayed a little weak. I'm glad he is starting to be written a little more confident. He , nor Jimmy or Abby are children. . They are all extreme profesdionals .vance, Gibbs and Ducky are people I know in real life and my career.
Missing Kate and Mile Franks ...However , Ziva's character is diluted. She's a trained. , brainwashed killed
@Michael - Correction, Michael: We KNOW Ziva & Tony and the rest of the characters, which is why fans love THEM. We LOVE them. No need to concern yourself with what "we know" about them.
However, we DO know what's wrong with YOU. You have an obsession with complaining & hating the characters on the show, and it's reflected in everything you say.
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