i agree that it was a tough watch-the dislocation-but not more disturbing than the guy that cooked his victims and shared also.i forget the name of the episode but i think it was second series.very well directed.and played.i liked it more than other episodes this series.
Amy
December 7th, 2012 6:45 AM
CountryGirl, here is the wonderful quote from the book Wednesday night's episode. "Love is our true destiny. We do not find the meaning of life by ourselves alone-we find it with another." ~ Thomas Merton
CountryGirl
December 6th, 2012 10:59 PM
Who wrote the quote in the book? I forgot to go back and look before I erased the episode off the DVR.
Thanks in advance! :)
Michael
December 6th, 2012 4:23 PM
@Hege
JJ has always done profiling it just she never told anyone, The reason she does it a lot more is because SOME fan though she was worthless.
Douglas Wolfe Rank: Staff Member
December 6th, 2012 4:20 PM
@herr_sebbe
>>I also have to add, I don't think it's very professional for a critic to base >>the rating of an entire episode on ONE aspect.
Heh. I agree with you, trust me. If I had, it would have gotten one star.
alicia smith
December 6th, 2012 4:01 PM
I don't get why so many people are complaining. Yeah, the dislocating the joints scene was a little cringe-worthy but there have been more disturbing episodes than this. I think MGG did an excellent job as an actor and director as all of them did. I like the new girl too. This is what criminal minds is.
herr_sebbe
December 6th, 2012 3:25 PM
@Douglas Wolfe
I also have to add, I don't think it's very professional for a critic to base the rating of an entire episode on ONE aspect.
herr_sebbe
December 6th, 2012 3:22 PM
I have to say I came her expecting standing ovations and I'm genuninely surprised. I half-dropped the series mid-season five and as I came back this year to see what was going on I was pleasantly overwhelmed. Every episode this season so far has been great, and this here was the epithome of it all. Matthew Gray Gubler knows how to direct! Had me on edge the whole time, kept me wondering about what exactly the unsub was up to. I guessed as fast as the next guy the partner didn't exist, but I was still intrigued by the reveal that he was actually a doll. Same for the audience. Until the BAU rushed in, I kept faltering: Are they real or are they not?
The dance scene was a piece of art. A disturbing one, yes, but I'm pretty sure that was the point. Agreed on the limb breaking scene. I've sat through all the Saw movies, yet that made me whince. Really, really pushing the envelope. But I don't think they should back down if that's what the director wants to show us. It's his piece of work
Douglas Wolfe Rank: Staff Member
December 6th, 2012 3:17 PM
@Brighton jack: your note about Reid not bothering to call her back once he realized the guy wasn't her stalker was what provoked my question about his paranoia being convenient. Deep inside, his anxiety may have overwhelmed him, despite all of Blake's encouragement.
Hege
December 6th, 2012 2:58 PM
I have to say I'm surprised of the comments here. A lot of hate for the show. I loved season 8 so far.. They profile a lot more than they have the last few seasons and great stories. The only thing I have a bit of a problem with is JJ as a profiler. I liked her much better before. It just seems strage when she profiles. Brad Diorf, the unsub, did a great job. I loved him on Deadwood. I think CM is a great show and I look forward to many more seasons!
sonde
December 6th, 2012 2:51 PM
Sorry, too much torture to watch, they could've presented sounds or shadows but the actual dislocation was not my cup of tea. Although I enjoy being a voyeur of the show I often think, I hope nobody is inspired to do any of this stuff, some people are just a hairs breath away from acting on their feelings. We need more team related writing. I love the "we're going to Rossi's house stuff" it makes them all seem more like a family. We'll see how this goes.
Brighton jack
December 6th, 2012 2:50 PM
So the team goes into the store and the guy leaves and they don't run to their car and try to catch up with him? At the end of the episode they all just leave without talking to the people that are hurt? I didn't like the episode. And when Reid discovered the stalker wasn't at the restaurant why didn't he call the girl and say everything is fine. Nothing made sense.
dipdab
December 6th, 2012 2:24 PM
Loved tonights ep....verrrryyy Criminal Minds. It was creepy, and a great UnSub, but the scene that i will remember for a long time is the dislocation(with those sickening cracks). MGG did an amazing job with both acting and directing ,and this is the episode i officially say that i really like Blake. That scene with Reid and blake was too sweet. The other scene i loved was when JJ and Morgan went to the vintage store and ended up talking about Reid. Criminal Minds is the best!!
Cynthia
December 6th, 2012 2:22 PM
I loved last night episode,it took me back to why Im started watching it in the first place. Not understanding some of the others comment,but everyone has a right to say what they wish.I love the show and have since it started. I wish every one of them stay and continue the great work.
tiva (Tania) Rank: Recurring Character
December 6th, 2012 2:15 PM
I like the episode but I didn't like the torture and I didn't know that little guy was the unsub imagination. I think Reid's girlfriend stalker is the same person who been taking photographs of the team I could be wrong but I wonder if the team stalker is also her stalker.
Suncatcher
December 6th, 2012 1:09 PM
@Douglas Wolfe - perfectly put and I totally agree.
I give you a 5 for your candor.
Michael
December 6th, 2012 11:46 AM
@Suncatcher
I did not know CM left their root they been doing this for years its not like their NCIS
guest
December 6th, 2012 11:29 AM
As a HUGE CM fan, as I watched last night's episode, I kept rewinding it because I couldn't believe my eyes! I watch the show because I enjoy the envelope pushing story lines and boy did they deliver last night. I've had a mad geek crush on Reid since day one and by proxy MGG and after last night I think he's a genius. That episode was sick and twisted - just the way I like it and my BAU team!
Douglas Wolfe Rank: Staff Member
December 6th, 2012 11:25 AM
@Suncatcher: I felt I was generous even with the rating I gave. That torture scene made the show almost unwatchable. It was brutal and unnecessary and I had a hard time thinking about anything else for the rest of the episode.
Terrie Rank: Regular Character
December 6th, 2012 11:12 AM
WOW! ...Such HARSH comments.......
You people act like someone was REALLY ACTUALLY tortured in the making of this episode! And I'm positive they were not............
I do, however, question a bit the decision to show such an episode at 8pm.
While I love Hotch, every episode cannot and should not be about him and him only. I was kind of surprised they went back to Reid and his elusive girlfriend......I was thinking.....Could her "stalker" be the mysterious photographer??????? Or maybe the photographer IS Reid's girlfriend??
Now to Blake, she still as of yet has brought nothing to the team dynamic in my view. I don't know if that's attributed to her lack of scenes or what. Perhaps there's more to come for her......
Was not surprised the rest of the team figured out Reid has a girlfriend but yet respect him enough to give him his privacy and not push him on it...
Guest
December 6th, 2012 9:22 AM
DC: Ditto about Hotch. He is the compelling leader of this team but they have no use for him because he's too dignified for their depraved indifference to humanity. Gibson and Moore's contracts are up at the end of the season and I wish both of them would follow Brewster out the door.
Suncatcher
December 6th, 2012 9:22 AM
Douglas, wondering how you can say "MGG did an excellent job playing Reid and directing this episode..." - then gave it barely a 3 rating.
@Leesa - you are right - something is indeed "off" with CM. I have been a CM fan since its pilot. I own their first 5 years of DVDs. But, I have been pulling away from this show as it has drifted more and more into seemingly gratuitous violence. Tonight was a good example. (And I love MGG and the entire CM cast). I hope they return to their roots - and soon.
PS - The terror maestro (Psycho, Frenzy, Rear Window), Alfred Hitchcock, avoided showing explicit violence, offering instead a PERCEIVED image of violence, and that this perception more effectively built suspense and excitement than overt violence. Overt violence is limited by what is shown on screen. The perceived image of violence is only limited by the viewers' imagination.
Michael
December 6th, 2012 9:03 AM
All I can say is Welcome back Criminal Mind how I have miss you This season has been perfect so far and this last night was a other one for the books I could not find one thing wrong everyone had the same screen time AND all were given a few good moments Hell even Rossi the most hated character on the show was good.
I can not wait to see what we get next.
DC
December 6th, 2012 8:54 AM
I, too, thought it was to explicit. We don't want to WATCH torture occurring. The dislocation being shown was over the top. And I, too, miss Hotch. He is my fave character and pushing him to the back makes me not want to watch the show as much.
Guest
December 6th, 2012 8:47 AM
I'm so glad Morgan and Garcia were hardly in this episode. It seems clear that Moore and Vangsness kept their distance. What an amateurish, misogynist mess this episode was. Another Reid/MGG and JSB clunker.
December 7th, 2012 2:14 PM
i agree that it was a tough watch-the dislocation-but not more disturbing than the guy that cooked his victims and shared also.i forget the name of the episode but i think it was second series.very well directed.and played.i liked it more than other episodes this series.
December 7th, 2012 6:45 AM
CountryGirl, here is the wonderful quote from the book Wednesday night's episode. "Love is our true destiny. We do not find the meaning of life by ourselves alone-we find it with another." ~ Thomas Merton
December 6th, 2012 10:59 PM
Who wrote the quote in the book? I forgot to go back and look before I erased the episode off the DVR.
Thanks in advance! :)
December 6th, 2012 4:23 PM
@Hege
JJ has always done profiling it just she never told anyone, The reason she does it a lot more is because SOME fan though she was worthless.
Rank: Staff Member
December 6th, 2012 4:20 PM
@herr_sebbe
>>I also have to add, I don't think it's very professional for a critic to base >>the rating of an entire episode on ONE aspect.
Heh. I agree with you, trust me. If I had, it would have gotten one star.
December 6th, 2012 4:01 PM
I don't get why so many people are complaining. Yeah, the dislocating the joints scene was a little cringe-worthy but there have been more disturbing episodes than this. I think MGG did an excellent job as an actor and director as all of them did. I like the new girl too. This is what criminal minds is.
December 6th, 2012 3:25 PM
@Douglas Wolfe
I also have to add, I don't think it's very professional for a critic to base the rating of an entire episode on ONE aspect.
December 6th, 2012 3:22 PM
I have to say I came her expecting standing ovations and I'm genuninely surprised. I half-dropped the series mid-season five and as I came back this year to see what was going on I was pleasantly overwhelmed. Every episode this season so far has been great, and this here was the epithome of it all. Matthew Gray Gubler knows how to direct! Had me on edge the whole time, kept me wondering about what exactly the unsub was up to. I guessed as fast as the next guy the partner didn't exist, but I was still intrigued by the reveal that he was actually a doll. Same for the audience. Until the BAU rushed in, I kept faltering: Are they real or are they not?
The dance scene was a piece of art. A disturbing one, yes, but I'm pretty sure that was the point. Agreed on the limb breaking scene. I've sat through all the Saw movies, yet that made me whince. Really, really pushing the envelope. But I don't think they should back down if that's what the director wants to show us. It's his piece of work
Rank: Staff Member
December 6th, 2012 3:17 PM
@Brighton jack: your note about Reid not bothering to call her back once he realized the guy wasn't her stalker was what provoked my question about his paranoia being convenient. Deep inside, his anxiety may have overwhelmed him, despite all of Blake's encouragement.
December 6th, 2012 2:58 PM
I have to say I'm surprised of the comments here. A lot of hate for the show. I loved season 8 so far.. They profile a lot more than they have the last few seasons and great stories. The only thing I have a bit of a problem with is JJ as a profiler. I liked her much better before. It just seems strage when she profiles. Brad Diorf, the unsub, did a great job. I loved him on Deadwood. I think CM is a great show and I look forward to many more seasons!
December 6th, 2012 2:51 PM
Sorry, too much torture to watch, they could've presented sounds or shadows but the actual dislocation was not my cup of tea. Although I enjoy being a voyeur of the show I often think, I hope nobody is inspired to do any of this stuff, some people are just a hairs breath away from acting on their feelings. We need more team related writing. I love the "we're going to Rossi's house stuff" it makes them all seem more like a family. We'll see how this goes.
December 6th, 2012 2:50 PM
So the team goes into the store and the guy leaves and they don't run to their car and try to catch up with him? At the end of the episode they all just leave without talking to the people that are hurt? I didn't like the episode. And when Reid discovered the stalker wasn't at the restaurant why didn't he call the girl and say everything is fine. Nothing made sense.
December 6th, 2012 2:24 PM
Loved tonights ep....verrrryyy Criminal Minds. It was creepy, and a great UnSub, but the scene that i will remember for a long time is the dislocation(with those sickening cracks). MGG did an amazing job with both acting and directing ,and this is the episode i officially say that i really like Blake. That scene with Reid and blake was too sweet. The other scene i loved was when JJ and Morgan went to the vintage store and ended up talking about Reid. Criminal Minds is the best!!
December 6th, 2012 2:22 PM
I loved last night episode,it took me back to why Im started watching it in the first place. Not understanding some of the others comment,but everyone has a right to say what they wish.I love the show and have since it started. I wish every one of them stay and continue the great work.
Rank: Recurring Character
December 6th, 2012 2:15 PM
I like the episode but I didn't like the torture and I didn't know that little guy was the unsub imagination. I think Reid's girlfriend stalker is the same person who been taking photographs of the team I could be wrong but I wonder if the team stalker is also her stalker.
December 6th, 2012 1:09 PM
@Douglas Wolfe - perfectly put and I totally agree.
I give you a 5 for your candor.
December 6th, 2012 11:46 AM
@Suncatcher
I did not know CM left their root they been doing this for years its not like their NCIS
December 6th, 2012 11:29 AM
As a HUGE CM fan, as I watched last night's episode, I kept rewinding it because I couldn't believe my eyes! I watch the show because I enjoy the envelope pushing story lines and boy did they deliver last night. I've had a mad geek crush on Reid since day one and by proxy MGG and after last night I think he's a genius. That episode was sick and twisted - just the way I like it and my BAU team!
Rank: Staff Member
December 6th, 2012 11:25 AM
@Suncatcher: I felt I was generous even with the rating I gave. That torture scene made the show almost unwatchable. It was brutal and unnecessary and I had a hard time thinking about anything else for the rest of the episode.
Rank: Regular Character
December 6th, 2012 11:12 AM
WOW! ...Such HARSH comments.......
You people act like someone was REALLY ACTUALLY tortured in the making of this episode! And I'm positive they were not............
I do, however, question a bit the decision to show such an episode at 8pm.
While I love Hotch, every episode cannot and should not be about him and him only. I was kind of surprised they went back to Reid and his elusive girlfriend......I was thinking.....Could her "stalker" be the mysterious photographer??????? Or maybe the photographer IS Reid's girlfriend??
Now to Blake, she still as of yet has brought nothing to the team dynamic in my view. I don't know if that's attributed to her lack of scenes or what. Perhaps there's more to come for her......
Was not surprised the rest of the team figured out Reid has a girlfriend but yet respect him enough to give him his privacy and not push him on it...
December 6th, 2012 9:22 AM
DC: Ditto about Hotch. He is the compelling leader of this team but they have no use for him because he's too dignified for their depraved indifference to humanity. Gibson and Moore's contracts are up at the end of the season and I wish both of them would follow Brewster out the door.
December 6th, 2012 9:22 AM
Douglas, wondering how you can say "MGG did an excellent job playing Reid and directing this episode..." - then gave it barely a 3 rating.
@Leesa - you are right - something is indeed "off" with CM. I have been a CM fan since its pilot. I own their first 5 years of DVDs. But, I have been pulling away from this show as it has drifted more and more into seemingly gratuitous violence. Tonight was a good example. (And I love MGG and the entire CM cast). I hope they return to their roots - and soon.
PS - The terror maestro (Psycho, Frenzy, Rear Window), Alfred Hitchcock, avoided showing explicit violence, offering instead a PERCEIVED image of violence, and that this perception more effectively built suspense and excitement than overt violence. Overt violence is limited by what is shown on screen. The perceived image of violence is only limited by the viewers' imagination.
December 6th, 2012 9:03 AM
All I can say is Welcome back Criminal Mind how I have miss you This season has been perfect so far and this last night was a other one for the books I could not find one thing wrong everyone had the same screen time AND all were given a few good moments Hell even Rossi the most hated character on the show was good.
I can not wait to see what we get next.
December 6th, 2012 8:54 AM
I, too, thought it was to explicit. We don't want to WATCH torture occurring. The dislocation being shown was over the top. And I, too, miss Hotch. He is my fave character and pushing him to the back makes me not want to watch the show as much.
December 6th, 2012 8:47 AM
I'm so glad Morgan and Garcia were hardly in this episode. It seems clear that Moore and Vangsness kept their distance. What an amateurish, misogynist mess this episode was. Another Reid/MGG and JSB clunker.