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Once Upon a Time Round Table: "The Miller's Daughter"

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"The Miller's Daughter" was filled with surprising twists and turns, as one character crossed over to the dark side and another was killed by an unexpected hand.

Below, our Once Upon a Time Round Table team of Nick McHatton, Jim Garner, and Christine Orlando is again joined by Gareth from Once Upon a Fan as they decide if Cora ever could have found love and whether Rumple's phone confession will change Belle's fate.

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What was your favorite scene from the episode?

Gareth: Wow. So many to choose from. I think this was the best episode of the season so far. Loved the phone call between Belle and Gold which then led into the Gold/Neal reunion scene. Great stuff. Also loved Cora's death scene. Barbara Hershey and Lana Parrilla were fantastic. Wonderfully played.

Nick: The final few minutes of the episode: first with Rump and Cora, and next with Regina and Cora. It's a testament to the acting and writing of just how much you care for two rather evil people, and see the love they shared at one time for them. It's an awesome thread that echoes Regina's past with Daniel in a slightly different way. As for Regina and Cora together, it's comforting to see Regina get some of the love she's been looking for as Cora passed away in her arms.

Jim: I loved the look on Emma's face after she cast the protection spell. It is going to be cool to see where that goes. 

Christine: The calmness with which Snow manipulated Regina was something I just can't get out of my mind.

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Did Snow's actions surprise you?

Gareth: Yes. Snow manipulating Regina into placing the heart back inside Cora was genius. Who knew Snow had such a poker face and could be so devious! The guilt is going to eat Snow alive in the next few episodes.

Nick: I've never viewed Snow as a true, purely pure person - especially when she's combined with Mary Margaret - so for her to go this far to protect her family from Cora isn't a surprise.

Jim: Only in her overwhelming guilt. Humans (in this world) have both light and dark, and she did a dark thing for a very light reason. She shouldn't have been so hard on herself. 

Christine: I wasn't as surprised at what she did but how she did it. The way she manipulated Regina, using her desire for her mother's love as the means to kill Cora was darker than I ever expected her to go.

How will Belle react to Rumple's phone call?

Gareth: I'm hoping it will be the catalyst that will prompt her to go in search of who she really is. Belle seems such a wasted character this season. She's spent most  of season 2 either locked up or drugged. We need the Belle we fell in love with in 'Skin Deep' back asap.

Nick: It's hard to know for sure, but at this point I think Belle is mostly deciding to ignore Rump since he's been more than creepy around her as she lacks the necessary Storybrooke context.

Jim: I think she is going to want to learn more about him and in time maybe fall for him all over again. Maybe love's kiss from him will restore her memories. 

Christine: I'm with Gareth. I feel as though Belle's return has been wasted this season. I can only hope that Rumple's heartfelt confession will be the catalyst to change that.

Could Cora have been saved by having her heart?

Gareth: That's the greatest tragedy of the whole story. Cora had removed her capacity for love in order to continue her search for power and revenge. It was only in her final moments, with her heart reinserted, that the realization occurred to her that Regina "would have been enough."

Nick: No, because Cora's heart is her one weakness; she acknowledges as much in the episode. Without it it's doubtful she would veer from her quest for power, and since Snow curses it even if her heart is never returned to her body, it could never return. It's pretty clear now that no matter what option would have happened Cora would head for death.

Jim: It would have slowed her down, but she was really rotten to the core. 

Christine: She removed her heart in her quest for power but if she hadn't been able to do that, perhaps it would have changed her fate. 

Will anything be able to convince Regina not to seek vengeance?

Gareth: Perhaps her love for Henry and his influence will pull her back from continuing the cycle of violence. I feel her desire for revenge will be key in putting Regina back in "Evil Queen" mode though.

Nick: Only Henry at this point. She's out for blood now, and I can't blame her in this instance.

Jim: Henry. If any one or any thing can, it will be him. 

Christine: Henry, but I'm not even sure he can dissuade her from eviscerating Snow. You really can't trick someone into killing their own mother and expect to walk away, no matter how much Cora may have deserved it.

Most surprising revelation: That Cora and Rumple were in love or that Snow manipulated Regina to kill Cora?

Gareth: Definitely the twist with Snow. I honestly didn't think the writers would go down this road. I certainly didn't expect it to play out the way it did. Interesting times ahead for The Charmings.

Nick: Cora and Rumple. It's a pairing I would have never guessed since we've only known Rump to do two things in past: look for his wife and try to find Bae.

Jim: For me, it was the tear-invoking speech Rumple gave Belle. I was stunned to see he would ever be that vulnerable. After that, I was pretty surprised Cora and Rumple were "close."

Christine: They were both great twists that I didn't see coming but as Gareth said, I really didn't think they'd take Snow to this dark of a place. I'm thrilled they have. It means that everything I thought I knew about Storybrooke changed in this episode and I can't wait for more.

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.

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Rumple already attempted TL Kiss at the hospital before he left for Manhattan. It didn't work. I honestly don't believe he loves her the way she loves him.
Didn't work because Belle doesn't remember him and therefore doesn't love him. Remember Snow and Charming back in FTL? After she took the "poison" to forget him TL Kiss didn't work either because she just didn't remember their love. The question is: what is Rumple willing to do to make Belle remember?

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Rumple already attempted TL Kiss at the hospital before he left for Manhattan. It didn't work. I honestly don't believe he loves her the way she loves him. It could be said that he was distracted by his search for Baelfire, BUT... even if that was the case, he still could have found Bae with Emma's help. I think that Rumple, at this point, sees Belle as a regret and someone he wants to help. I don't see him as willing to give up his magic for her sake. As for Snow's choice and actions - didn't surprise me one bit.

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What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Snow manipulating Regina, hands down. Sent chills through my bones.
Did Snow's actions surprise you?
I was expecting it(considering all Regina/Snow parallels through this season), but did not expect her to go THIS DARK. I fully expect her to become the next Dark One at some point in the show now.
Could Cora have been saved by having her heart?
I am sure that yes. If this was the old Snow White, Cora would be alive and happy with her daughter. But the New Snow chose revenge over that which I am happy with.
Will anything be able to convince Regina not to seek vengeance?
100% sure Henry is the key to that.
Most surprising revelation: That Cora and Rumple were in love or that Snow manipulated Regina to kill Cora?
The latter. Never, ever, ever, EVER expected the magnitude and deviousness with which Snow executed her plan.

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Wow, Regina seems to have lost everyone, but what can she really do? She can't defeat a full strength Rumpel. Mary Margaret, David, and Emma fought to save him. Regina is the one who imprisoned Belle. The dynamic - family that saved his life v. the one who imprisoned his true love. Also, Cora chose the pursuit of the power of the Dark One over saving her daughter. That has to be in Regina's mind somewhere. Anyway, this show is getting better and better.

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The whole part from regina putting the heart in cora to cora dying and rump standing there tall and strong. i was happy for regina and heartbroken for her in a matter of moments. she got exactly what shed always wanted for it to be ripped from her in what 30 secconds time. (cora couldnt have been saved though) and rump, i was so scared for him and then there he was in all his mr gold glory! i was so excited! such a mixture of emotions!

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What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Snow giving Regina Cora's heart. It had the perfect amount of tension and Lana Parilla and Ginnifer Goodwin acted wonderfully. Plus, Evil Snow = Awesome Snow! Did Snow's actions surprise you?
At first, yeah, but in retrospect, they shouldn't have. Snow is a sensical woman, who knows when to do the right thing to keep her family intact. How will Belle react to Rumple's phone call?
It should prompt her to be a little more curious about Storybrooke. She should at least confront Ruby. Could Cora have been saved by having her heart?
Yes. OUAT has done such a good job of showing bad guys with one "good" flaw, and Cora's was Regina. With a heart, she could have gone down a similar path that Regina did earlier this season.
Will anything be able to convince Regina not to seek vengeance?
Nothing, at least for a while.
Most surprising revelation: That Cora and Rumple were in love or that Snow manipulated Regina to kill Cora?
Rumple & Cora, definitely. So unexpected that I had no clue what was going on for a few secs.

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I think Snow finally did what she had to do: yes, she was manipulative,but she always had it in her,and finally as she told Regina in the end, and was correct that either she take the heart, or let Cora become the Dark One. Cora never had any other agenda than becoming the Dark One, and she would not have blinked in taking out Rumple, Bae, and Snows entire family. Regina would have no control over her mother, because if she really cared, she would not have isolated her to a point, where she would be her only "friend" in Storybrooke. Regina does not have a leg to stand on regarding getting all Evil Queen again, which I love btw, especially in the Enchanted Forest. She has murdered countless people, and hunted Snow for practically her entire life. Snow showed HER mercy, let her live and be banished to another Kingdom. Blaming her for killing her mother? Whatever she killed her mother (or thought she did for the curse), she killed her father, so she could have his heart to enact the curse, She now knows that her mother started the whole cycle, and if Regina had actually truly wanted to change and get Henry back, she would have realized that her mother set her up, from Day 1, when she saved Snow White. But Cora had isolated her so she would have to rely only on her mother, which was good & bad. Regina thinks she deserves forgiveness pretty quickly for the socipath ways. They did not even want to send her to another realm she was so horrible. So Regina, suck it up, and truly try to become a better person and Henry could truly be part of your life again.

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5. Regina going all Emily Thorne
I believ the season just started for the Queen. After losing Cora,Henry and Daniel again it seems like a great fury emotions will come up. She will proberbly kidnnap Henry and force him to stay with her so she won't kill the others. I want a new Vilian so that Regina can fall in love. But it's unlikely for now. But maybe in a S3. I'm excited to see where they head with Regina from here.
6. Surprise?
More or less neither. I knew M.M. Would do anything she needs to protect her family.. And we all knew Rumple was a Playa powerful and made out of gold *-*
Great RT . Greatings to the tvfqnTic people.

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1.Fav scen
Rose McGowan telling Rumple she can't be with him and that she took out her own heart for that purpose. It showed how much damaged Cora really was. And honestly a bit of a face punch for modern women who choose their "work and sucess" over love. It was trully real. And of course the encounter between old Corq and ill Mr. Gold. He loved her as well and it was truly painful to watch it.
2.Mary M.
I go by that cause she isn't the little princess warrior she used to be. She is sick of the fighting. She fights her whole lifefor other peoples mistakes and evil does. She thought that with Cora it will all end.
3.Belle?
She got neglected like Ruby. She is just a tool hopefully she goes major as a Fairy Princess should.
4.Saving Cora
Her heart could've saved her relationship with Reginq but not her turst for power.

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Could Cora have been saved by having her heart?
I don't think so. Even when she loved Rumpelstiltskin, she still lusted for (more) power. So even with loving her daughter she could've still been able to cause havoc and many deaths in Storybrooke! Will anything be able to convince Regina not to seek vengeance?
Maybe Henry. But I doubt it. Seriously. Most surprising revelation: That Cora and Rumple were in love or that Snow manipulated Regina to kill Cora?
For me, most surprising was that Regina didn't attack Rumpel, at least verbally. All her hatred was immediately focused on Snow, while Gold got only half-hearted blaming.

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